Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
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Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
Ive searched using the search engine, but was unable to find this information.
We know tha HJ made the hats for the original trilogy (with a Stetson thrown in the mix in ToD), and that AB made the hats for KotCS; but who was the original maker of the hats for the Young Indy series?
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We know tha HJ made the hats for the original trilogy (with a Stetson thrown in the mix in ToD), and that AB made the hats for KotCS; but who was the original maker of the hats for the Young Indy series?
Thanks!
Regards,
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HJ! W>Obi Sean Kenobi wrote:Ive searched using the search engine, but was unable to find this information.
We know tha HJ made the hats for the original trilogy (with a Stetson thrown in the mix in ToD), and that AB made the hats for KotCS; but who was the original maker of the hats for the Young Indy series?
Thanks!
Regards,
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Yep, HJ......same maker. The dimensions were changed to make it seem like Young indy had to "grow" into his hat....... atleast that's how it seemed at first, the hat used in the later episodes was drastically different.... the the one used in the first half.
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Later in the series the hat just naturally begin to shrink and taper from heavy wear... but was never reblocked. Hence you go from this really nice looking HJ:
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To this wreck:
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To this wreck:
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Correct, the specs was different, so was the ribbon ( size wise) and no dimensional cut.
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Yeah...starting out -- it was a pretty cool looking hat -- a style I wouldn't mind having, but boy did it get battered over the space of time. That latter pic (Magnoli's post, above) makes it almost look like a large boonie hat ! W>
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Seriously that's the same hat with the same dinmensions just poorly taken care of? wow....... I always thought they just went with a different hat style for some odd reason.Indy Magnoli wrote:Later in the series the hat just naturally begin to shrink and taper from heavy wear... but was never reblocked. Hence you go from this really nice looking HJ:
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To this wreck:
I just didn't know it could one hat could change THAT drastically, that's amazing.
A good reminder to take care of your hat
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Makes a sobering public service message: This is your hat. And this is your hat in the rain. Any questions?
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Well said. I had a rabbit felt Broner do that, but even worse if that can be imagined.
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How could anything be worse than that second pic!?
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Believe me, some can.....and do.
Mine turned into a witches hat.
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Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
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So, question then...why does it take them so long to finish these hats ? Sorry...couldn't resist this one ! W>BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
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Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
it doesn't most likely they are waiting for their place in line with the factory to make them and they don't keep a large stock.
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HJ felt is only Rabbit?BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
I don't know how I didn't know this.....
So you're only paying for the name?
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backstagejack wrote:HJ felt is only Rabbit?BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
I don't know how I didn't know this.....
So you're only paying for the name?
Basically, yes. Most factory hats are made real fast and in this fashion.
It happens to most great companies. They start off small and if they are really good at what they do they build a name " brand" (and a great product). They become known in the hat world or even bigger become common place like Stetson. Even people who are not into hats know the name Stetson. Demand becomes so big that they need to speed up production and cut cost. In some cases they sell the company to a bigger company and thus mass production begins and quality is cut for a better profit margin and speed.
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Well, yeah, I knew that happened normally especially with something like Stetson, I just didn't think HJ would go that route since they had such a reputation and charge so much. A factory made rabbit felt hat that is poor quality?BendingOak wrote:backstagejack wrote:HJ felt is only Rabbit?BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
I don't know how I didn't know this.....
So you're only paying for the name?
Basically, yes. Most factory hats are made real fast and in this fashion.
It happens to most great companies. They start off small and if they are really good at what they do they build a name " brand" (and a great product). They become known in the hat world or even bigger become common place like Stetson. Even people who are not into hats know the name Stetson. Demand becomes so big that they need to speed up production and cut cost. In some cases they sell the company to a bigger company and thus mass production begins and quality is cut for a better profit margin and speed.
John
I mean, atleast with Akubra you're getting a factory made rabbit felt hat that's durable as can be for half the price or less.
Oh well, such is life I reckon....
I did read on Facebook about your new selections of hats including a YIJC version. I'm excited to see it!
Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
Yes...this too I would like to see! There is something intrinsically interesting about the hat. It just looks so (I know this will sound odd...) Hobo with class! Just relaxed enough (still talking about the 'good one' prior to devastation) to be truly everyman, but yet still hold on to (this came from a class-act maker) look! It just really is cool. Kind of reminds me of some of the wonderful 'old' Stetsons (good ones, in those days) that I would get handed down by my grandfather and my dad and wear as a kid. (Boy, I would like to have them now -- except, my head is too large anymore...) I was able to wear some really cool old hats, as a child. And, my wife wonders (not too often -- really, but occasionally) why I love my hats . W>backstagejack wrote:Well, yeah, I knew that happened normally especially with something like Stetson, I just didn't think HJ would go that route since they had such a reputation and charge so much. A factory made rabbit felt hat that is poor quality?BendingOak wrote:backstagejack wrote:HJ felt is only Rabbit?BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
I don't know how I didn't know this.....
So you're only paying for the name?
Basically, yes. Most factory hats are made real fast and in this fashion.
It happens to most great companies. They start off small and if they are really good at what they do they build a name " brand" (and a great product). They become known in the hat world or even bigger become common place like Stetson. Even people who are not into hats know the name Stetson. Demand becomes so big that they need to speed up production and cut cost. In some cases they sell the company to a bigger company and thus mass production begins and quality is cut for a better profit margin and speed.
John
I mean, atleast with Akubra you're getting a factory made rabbit felt hat that's durable as can be for half the price or less.
Oh well, such is life I reckon....
I did read on Facebook about your new selections of hats including a YIJC version. I'm excited to see it!
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And now you know why I cringe every time I hear some fast talking, slicked back promoter CEO type yakking about "building the brand." To me that just reads figuring out how to overcharge for a name and deliver nothing in exchange.BendingOak wrote:backstagejack wrote:HJ felt is only Rabbit?BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
I don't know how I didn't know this.....
So you're only paying for the name?
Basically, yes. Most factory hats are made real fast and in this fashion.
It happens to most great companies. They start off small and if they are really good at what they do they build a name " brand" (and a great product). They become known in the hat world or even bigger become common place like Stetson. Even people who are not into hats know the name Stetson. Demand becomes so big that they need to speed up production and cut cost. In some cases they sell the company to a bigger company and thus mass production begins and quality is cut for a better profit margin and speed.
John
Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
Exactly! Less quality for more quantity and 'we' the consumer's are still paying for the 'original proto-type' which has been paid for more then 100 fold! W>Ridgerunner58 wrote:And now you know why I cringe every time I hear some fast talking, slicked back promoter CEO type yakking about "building the brand." To me that just reads figuring out how to overcharge for a name and deliver nothing in exchange.BendingOak wrote:backstagejack wrote:HJ felt is only Rabbit?BendingOak wrote:It's the HJ rabbit felt they use and how they block it. It's blocked almost dry, Just a little bit of steam. It takes them about a hour to make a hat from start to finish.
I don't know how I didn't know this.....
So you're only paying for the name?
Basically, yes. Most factory hats are made real fast and in this fashion.
It happens to most great companies. They start off small and if they are really good at what they do they build a name " brand" (and a great product). They become known in the hat world or even bigger become common place like Stetson. Even people who are not into hats know the name Stetson. Demand becomes so big that they need to speed up production and cut cost. In some cases they sell the company to a bigger company and thus mass production begins and quality is cut for a better profit margin and speed.
John
Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
How realistic is the 'dead felt' theory: that as a hat gets older, the felt becomes more stabilized and less likely to shrink or taper? My rabbit fur HJ Poet hasn't changed a bit in the 14 years I've owned it, and it has even endured a light rain shower or two without effect. Not that I'm planning to soak it with a fire hose, but the felt is probably as 'stable' as it's likely to get.
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I am not a hatter, but it sounds like to me that you got one of their hats, when the felting was of better quality. I don't know. John: Perhaps you can help here! W>whipwarrior wrote:How realistic is the 'dead felt' theory: that as a hat gets older, the felt becomes more stabilized and less likely to shrink or taper? My rabbit fur HJ Poet hasn't changed a bit in the 14 years I've owned it, and it has even endured a light rain shower or two without effect. Not that I'm planning to soak it with a fire hose, but the felt is probably as 'stable' as it's likely to get.
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I have a few tendons and ligaments and occasionally a disk in my back that lend strong support to the notion that things become less elastic as they get older. There's a whole medical specialty built around combatting that sad fact.
If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Felt is matted hair. In its normal state it's a cone. A hatter soaks it in water and then stretches it over a wooden form where it's allowed to dry in a new shape. In that shape many of the fibers are stretched. Over time they may try to pull back or shrink toward their original shape. Having been stretched they won't go all the way back though. If you then stretch them back a few more times eventually their elasticity will disappear and the fibers will no longer be under tension. At that point the felt is stable in its new shape, or "dead."
I suspect if you then tried to change it from that now stable shape it would take time to accept that different shape, but you probably wouldn't see it shrink into a cone again.
If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Felt is matted hair. In its normal state it's a cone. A hatter soaks it in water and then stretches it over a wooden form where it's allowed to dry in a new shape. In that shape many of the fibers are stretched. Over time they may try to pull back or shrink toward their original shape. Having been stretched they won't go all the way back though. If you then stretch them back a few more times eventually their elasticity will disappear and the fibers will no longer be under tension. At that point the felt is stable in its new shape, or "dead."
I suspect if you then tried to change it from that now stable shape it would take time to accept that different shape, but you probably wouldn't see it shrink into a cone again.
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ridgerunner, correct except most do not soak their felt. They just spray it and/or steam them to block them.
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Didn't someone post a hat-making story about how the Italians 'smoke' their hats in such a way as to stabilize the felt so that there is no shrinkage/taper? I seem to recall this from way back in the day...
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I know Steve does that to his. There's nothing quite like the aroma of a new Adventurebilt.
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We had another ex-member here (who disappeared and no longer exists as a hat maker) who did the same thing, and it worked.....but quite frankly, when received, his hats flat stunk. Smelled like old cigar/cigarette smoke, though the guy didn't moke.
Took a while for the hat for finally air out, but after that there's been absolutely no problems with taper or the like, and that hat has been in many a rain storm over the years.
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Took a while for the hat for finally air out, but after that there's been absolutely no problems with taper or the like, and that hat has been in many a rain storm over the years.
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I can tell you first hand that the technique Steve uses to age/stable a hat has nothing to do with smoke.
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I do know that there is a technique which involves fire...here's a photo Bob from Black Sheep Hat Works (a custom hatter out of Washington) shared on his facebook page:
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That has nothing to do with aging the felt. That is a technique used to get the tiny hairs off the felt.
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I hope this procedure is a really, really fast -- flash-fire! Otherwise, there wouldn't be much felt there to finish the hat ! Plus looks like it could be a bit hazardous to one's well being ! W>
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Only if you're wearing it at the time. \
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Looks like fedora flambé.
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WConly wrote:I hope this procedure is a really, really fast -- flash-fire! Otherwise, there wouldn't be much felt there to finish the hat ! Plus looks like it could be a bit hazardous to one's well being ! W>
Most hatters that use this technique only do it for a couple seconds.
My technique is completely different. Remember, firefighter.
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Yeah...I remember. Boy that just seems a bit radical to me. No wonder the expression: Madhatter ! Realize that this was not the original definition as to one 'being as mad as a hatter,' but it certainly would add to the mix! W>BendingOak wrote:WConly wrote:I hope this procedure is a really, really fast -- flash-fire! Otherwise, there wouldn't be much felt there to finish the hat ! Plus looks like it could be a bit hazardous to one's well being ! W>
Most hatters that use this technique only do it for a couple seconds.
My technique is completely different. Remember, firefighter.
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Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
Correct but if you saw how I use it you might have a stroke.
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Here are photos of my 1993 HJ Taupe Poet, which is what Mr. Swales told me was used as the Young Indy hat.
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Was it the style that was used? Because the color looks way off. Also the not is off from what I have seen on screen. What is the brim size? And ribbon?
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Well.... , in this particular case -- I think it might not be better to remain in the dark ! I have had more then enough excitement in my life, to take any chances now -- especially over a ....a, hat ! W>BendingOak wrote:Correct but if you saw how I use it you might have a stroke.
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I had this hat refurbished by HJ in late 1993 after it took a dip in San Francisco Bay. The original ribbon was darker in color and had a look that had three sections in its folding. The hat was an "off the shelf" poet with no trimming. Swales assured me this was the hat used in the YIJC.
Since he sold me my first hat in 1988, I had no reason to believe his information was incorrect. Although, I did notice
the shade looked lighter than what I was viewing on television.
I may have to look at my first season laserdiscs from Japan again..
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Since he sold me my first hat in 1988, I had no reason to believe his information was incorrect. Although, I did notice
the shade looked lighter than what I was viewing on television.
I may have to look at my first season laserdiscs from Japan again..
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What's the specs of the brim and ribbon?
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Swales told me too that the brim was 3 1/8" - an untrimmed Poet. Nomura will have to tell you the brim width but that taupe/ mushroom color does seem a bit funky.
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And the ribbon?
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Not sure. Hey, Ron! Measure that ribbon!!! I'm guessing 2 inches. Swales had put a 1 3/4 on my original HJ and this looks to be a little wider.
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And, aside from the color, this is the only HJ YIJ that I have ever seen posted.
One could order one now from HJ I suspect - get the brim at 3 1/8" and replace the ribbon. The rest is all blocking.
Beyond that I am convinced that it is not a separate block.
One could order one now from HJ I suspect - get the brim at 3 1/8" and replace the ribbon. The rest is all blocking.
Beyond that I am convinced that it is not a separate block.
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I'm getting conflicting information. I was told 3 inches and 1 3/4 on the ribbon. The Olof is way off.
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The brim on my YIJ hat is 3" with an 1-3/4" ribbon.
It's shrunken somewhat in the 20 years I've owned it. Could a reblock restore it's original size? it's 7-1/2"
John, what is an Olof??
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It's shrunken somewhat in the 20 years I've owned it. Could a reblock restore it's original size? it's 7-1/2"
John, what is an Olof??
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A typing mistake on this iPad.
That makes more since. I think what you got there is a HJ block on the same block as the show. With the same specs and crease but the color of felt and ribbon are different. Not a bad hat to have but not the exact one.
Well, if the hat fits too tight. The sweatband is most likely shrunk as well as the felt. The reblock would help with the felt. Not sure you can stretch out the sweatband without possible damaging
It. How tight is it. Is it a little tight where it not comfortable or is it shrunken so much that you can't get it back on your head?
That makes more since. I think what you got there is a HJ block on the same block as the show. With the same specs and crease but the color of felt and ribbon are different. Not a bad hat to have but not the exact one.
Well, if the hat fits too tight. The sweatband is most likely shrunk as well as the felt. The reblock would help with the felt. Not sure you can stretch out the sweatband without possible damaging
It. How tight is it. Is it a little tight where it not comfortable or is it shrunken so much that you can't get it back on your head?
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Re: Fedora for the Young Indy/YIJC Chronicles?
Was going to say about the brim - at HJ (and at one point printed somewhere on HJ material but I don't know if I can find it) they - and I mean Swales again here - told me that the Poet had an untrimmed brim of 3 1/8". I once got one with an untrimmed brim and I can see how someone would miss that extra 1/8" in measuring if they didn't know about it or look for it carefully enough.
After being knocked around, and with its propensity for shrinking, an untrimmed HJ is going to end up at 3" very quickly in life.
Just a technicality but Swales did correct me on the untrimmed brim width. And he said that the YIJ was untrimmed, etc.
Funny though, seeing such a cool hat to begin with on the show and then such a mess later on in the series. That is out of control.
After being knocked around, and with its propensity for shrinking, an untrimmed HJ is going to end up at 3" very quickly in life.
Just a technicality but Swales did correct me on the untrimmed brim width. And he said that the YIJ was untrimmed, etc.
Funny though, seeing such a cool hat to begin with on the show and then such a mess later on in the series. That is out of control.
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Very true, but it at least demonstrated what really happens with those HJ's when used hard and not 'serviced' properly over its lifetime of use.darthjones wrote:Funny though, seeing such a cool hat to begin with on the show and then such a mess later on in the series. That is out of control.
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