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Can someone point me to a thread that lists out the basic differences between the 4 jackets (specifically LC). Something like the FAQ on the Fedora would be great. I've tried searching but I dont know what to search on.

http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-RotLA.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does this help? Click on 'gear' in the upper left hand corner, then jacket, and each jacket is discussed in detail in separate entries.

Regards! Michaelson

Hi, yes thanks for that. I've read those before and they are very insightful. Was just wondering if there was a list saying stuff like: LC has poppers top and bottom, longer length, more tapered arms" sort of thing..

No, because pretty much everything you list, with the exception of the snaps, tend to be subjective.

Every jacket seemed to have different spec and different look, so the basics can be posted....but specifics? Good luck.

Type in something like 'LC jacket' in the search, specificially siting to look through the jacket section, and check out authors like Holt and whipwarrior, who did some extensive research on this particular jacket.

For example, here's just one I found in a quick search:

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Regards! Michaelson

Thats great, thanks. I think you've answered my question though - I was under the misunderstanding that there existed a list of such things. Thanks for you help !

Always glad to help.

Regards! Michaelson

so if wested made Indy's jacket wouldnt their jackets be accurate? Kind of like buying an AB hat from the guy that made Indy's hat..I mean, we can get as close as we want seems like?

AND if we know who made the jackets and hats of the later films,we should be able to get spot on with those as well? My quest for an Indy hat stopped when I bought an AB...you dont get any more Indy than that to me..OR am I missing something?? AND if so,please fill me in as I love to learn more..

youngjedi71 wrote:so if wested made Indy's jacket wouldnt their jackets be accurate?

rick5150 wrote:

youngjedi71 wrote:so if wested made Indy's jacket wouldnt their jackets be accurate?

umm...im going to assume that means "ive opened a can of worms?"...so for me that is good as I want to know what makes finding the right gear RIGHT..I guess if I wanted to find Indy gear,I would go to whom makes it for the films? BUT please if im wrong, fill me in as i said, I like to learn.

Padawan...

I will try to be brief... Wested made the originals but over the years the pattern has "drifted" based on customer requests and whatever other influences. The most recent "Hero" version is quite close but is based on a Tony Nowak copy made from Tony's inspection of an original. Even so, the yoke and back positions are not quite there due to manufacturing considerations. Quite a few leather choices are available, but no tannery makes the original leather due to changes in tanning process over the years.

Todd's is remarkably accurate, but not customized to size so if you have long arms (as I do), it doesn't work. If you're an off-the-rack kind of guy, an excellent choice by both price and accuracy.

US Wings is a solid jacket, but again, not so accurate in the yoke and back and sleeve width (if you're after a Raiders jacket)

Gibson and Barnes is made from specs taken from an original Wested stunt jacket used during filming and is really good in both accuracy and quality. A bit pricey, but it will outlive you.

Magnoli is also very accurate and customizable... that is probably my next stop in my own jacket quest.

Tony Nowak passed away some time ago and his company no longer makes Indy jackets for customers to my knowledge.

Possibility Aero in Scotland will make a version, though they're only in prototype stage at this point.

And some advice, there were quite a few jackets used in the filming of Raiders, and each was a bit different from the next. You need to know which scene in the movie you're trying to duplicate. That makes some difference in the manufacturer you choose. The jacket Tony copied was from the Hawaii shots (the South American temple scenes). No one jacket will capture all the looks you see during the entire film.

Ah, but the answer has been in your hand the whole time, Grasshopper:

youngjedi71 wrote:My quest for an Indy hat stopped when I bought an AB...you dont get any more Indy than that to me.

As it is written: "BOOMSHAKALAKA!"

I bought an LC in 2002 from Wested. It did not look much like the movie jacket. I'm not talking about subjective impressions here. The pocket flaps, for instance were very shallow and one of the key facts about the LC jacket is the obviously deep pocket flaps. I was very unhappy at the time. I don't think Wested ever kept the patterns of any Indy jacket they made. They tired to reproduce them as they remembered them with some help from the fans. These days the Raiders Wested is pretty good - they copied a Tony Nowak copy of a film used jacket. The ToD now looks good too since they had an original to copy a few years back. Wested's original ToD's were just a copy of their Raiders jacket but one inch longer. Not good at all.The current Wested LC is a hybrid and pretty inaccurate to my eye too.

I think Wested have improved over the years and certainly Peter is flexible and helpful. Yes there is a large element of subjectivity to what people see and there were indeed various jackets used within a single movie. But it isn't just subjective, obviously the jacket wasn't silver or made of nylon or had slash pockets There are clear details the Wested folks got wrong over the years which is partly why the Coyle (Todd's) jacket was created.

I have come to the view that the G&B in goat is an improvement on the film used jacket since it is better made; a better, stronger leather and the side straps are mounted in a more secure fashion. I prefer an Indy-like jacket to an painstaking copy these days.

Tibor wrote:Padawan...

I will try to be brief... Wested made the originals but over the years the pattern has "drifted" based on customer requests and whatever other influences. The most recent "Hero" version is quite close but is based on a Tony Nowak copy made from Tony's inspection of an original. Even so, the yoke and back positions are not quite there due to manufacturing considerations. Quite a few leather choices are available, but no tannery makes the original leather due to changes in tanning process over the years.

Todd's is remarkably accurate, but not customized to size so if you have long arms (as I do), it doesn't work. If you're an off-the-rack kind of guy, an excellent choice by both price and accuracy.

US Wings is a solid jacket, but again, not so accurate in the yoke and back and sleeve width (if you're after a Raiders jacket)

Gibson and Barnes is made from specs taken from an original Wested stunt jacket used during filming and is really good in both accuracy and quality. A bit pricey, but it will outlive you.

Magnoli is also very accurate and customizable... that is probably my next stop in my own jacket quest.

Tony Nowak passed away some time ago and his company no longer makes Indy jackets for customers to my knowledge.

Possibility Aero in Scotland will make a version, though they're only in prototype stage at this point.

And some advice, there were quite a few jackets used in the filming of Raiders, and each was a bit different from the next. You need to know which scene in the movie you're trying to duplicate. That makes some difference in the manufacturer you choose. The jacket Tony copied was from the Hawaii shots (the South American temple scenes). No one jacket will capture all the looks you see during the entire film.

Well I would say get something thats "close enough"..its like his hat. It looks different throughout a film and sometimes is a different. You cant have one hat that has the look of Cairo and the Raven. Its just not possible as even if its the same hat, its being used and abused daily...SO you just get the basic hat,and shape it to your liking and wear it. IF you are trying to get every look you would have 30 hats from each movie..lol..BUT you go for the closest thing. With all my searching,reading and staring at thousands of pics, I couldnt tell you the difference from one jacket to the next..

I use to say that about the hats.."and sometimes still feel this way" ..but ive learned to "see" some changes here and there. I for one see a HUGE difference from the Raiders hat to all the others...BUT for me its really only the crown that matters. The brim is a brim..it changes with every handling.."to me anyways"..

TOD,LC and KOTCS are so close its not that big a deal...Sure TOD has some strange smaller,tapered looking hat thrown in here and there...but for the most part its fine...and I bet if we had exact specs we'd see they are close. AND im sure the same goes for the jackets..Raiders is the one again thats the most different...

And ive looked at Wings,Wested,TODDS and a couple others..they all look INDY to me..some may fit different and have a different "hang" to them..thats normal for clothes..Now to save up and buy one!..

BUT if someone can show me some side by side GOOD clear comparison shots of all the jackets from film thats good too..

youngjedi71 wrote: BUT if someone can show me some side by side GOOD clear comparison shots of all the jackets from film thats good too..

Have you checked the main page?

http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-RotLA.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-ToD.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-LC.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-KotCS.html

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Nebraska Schulte wrote:

youngjedi71 wrote: BUT if someone can show me some side by side GOOD clear comparison shots of all the jackets from film thats good too..

Have you checked the main page?

http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-RotLA.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-ToD.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-LC.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-KotCS.html

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

oh yea..seen it a LONG time ago..its ok but would love more details on what everyone seems to think makes a real Indy jacket? AND also you know there are probably 100 original Indy jackets out there from the actual movies...WHY doesnt someone get them and let a pattern be made? From each movie? same for all the gear..?? WHY?? I know im not the 1st to ask this but it just seems so simple..???

The quickest answer to the 'simple question' is there aren't many jackets left over from the films. Certainly not ROLA. That's why Tony Nowak getting access to an original from GL's office was such a coup to the fans. He could make replicas from a 1st generation screen used jacket. Same with the G&B jackets, though those were patterned after a stunt jacket and not a 'hero.'

In addition, jackets that are left over from production are locked away at LFL archives and LFL isn't too keen on letting just anyone grab one off the rack to run out and make copies. Paying licensing fees to reproduce the jackets, maybe, but there's a big check that'll need to be written for that to happen.

Then you have to take into account what's already been said about each production-used jacket being different from any other. People still poked holes at G&B and TNO jackets for not 'being accurate' even though the jackets are copies of screen-used jackets. No two screen-used jackets were the same, so exact copies of two screen-used jackets will not be the same, and the two fans will point at each other and point out how their own jacket is truly THE ONE and the other jacket has flaws.

The long answer to the simple question is to read, read, read. There are currently so many high quality jacket makers with a nice variety of price points, you can choose the jacket you think is the one for you.

And the caveat to the right jacket for you, is very few of us have HF screen-accurate bodies. That's going to play a huge role in how any jacket works for you in replicating what you see on screen.

I have a Wested Raiders jacket c2000 and a US Wings Legend pattern (in Bison hide - totally non-SA, but an awesome leather) and neither are 100% accurate to ROLA. Both are for me great Indy jackets.

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Nebraska Schulte wrote:

youngjedi71 wrote: BUT if someone can show me some side by side GOOD clear comparison shots of all the jackets from film thats good too..

Have you checked the main page?

http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-RotLA.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-ToD.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-LC.html
http://www.indygear.com/igjacket-KotCS.html

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Is anyone planning to update the KoTC skull page ? I've never seen it with anything in ?


Re the LC jacket - I would like to buy a lightweight (very light) LC jacket, with poppers and slim fit sleeves like the Wested Hero ? Where can I go for this ?

Wow, I just love how the way this jacket is a perfect-fit for Harrison Ford in this shot. It's like molded on him..

We all have different views. I always felt with that shot that this Indy jacket looked like a badly fitted shirt

CM wrote:We all have different views. I always felt with that shot that this Indy jacket looked like a badly fitted shirt

I think its ok for INDY..BUT yea, I would rather have a nice loose fitting jacket. Something like that would make me go nuts and tare it off me..lol

OH and again..the jacket seems loose in some scenes and tight like that in others..gonna go back and look at my screengrabs to check...as I might be crazier then I once thought..

Thought this showed the side and back pretty good..

Yup, as you can see. That jacket is looser and far less distressed than the one shown earlier.

Kt Templar wrote:Yup, as you can see. That jacket is looser and far less distressed than the one shown earlier.

yea..true on the fit..but this pic is way before the other one in the order of the film..so i can buy some scuffing on the other pic..

There are 2 jackets used in the village sequences. It's true that in the return to the village sequence the more distressed jacket takes precedence, but in one or 2 shots he is also wearing the looser one!

CRB wrote: Is anyone planning to update the KoTC skull page ? I've never seen it with anything in ?

Let's just say we have top men still working on it.

Top. Men.

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Kt Templar wrote:There are 2 jackets used in the village sequences. It's true that in the return to the village sequence the more distressed jacket takes precedence, but in one or 2 shots he is also wearing the looser one!

I wonder why they do this? I know some of the jackets were larger and had padding for stunts and stunt people. BUT why in the world would they switch up hats,jackets like that? I dont get it,never will..Just seems kind of confusing and odd to me...I guess I could see maybe having 3 jackets and 3 hats for INDY...one nice and clean, one slightly dirty, and the next very distressed.

Nebraska Schulte wrote:

CRB wrote: Is anyone planning to update the KoTC skull page ? I've never seen it with anything in ?

Let's just say we have top men still working on it.

Top. Men.

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Does seem strange that the older films pages are done, but the newer film,the film we know more about and is very recent we have nothing?

youngjedi71 wrote:

Nebraska Schulte wrote:

CRB wrote: Is anyone planning to update the KoTC skull page ? I've never seen it with anything in ?

Let's just say we have top men still working on it.

Top. Men.

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Does seem strange that the older films pages are done, but the newer film,the film we know more about and is very recent we have nothing?

Not really--we've obviously had longer to access, research, and write up information for the films that have been around longer. We had earlier drafts on the jackets from the trilogy even before Crystal Skull came out. It's not so much that the staff who are writing up this section don't have the information. You have to remember: we staff are doing all of this on a volunteer basis as we have time in the midst of our actual careers. A lot of planning and editing go into ensuring the quality of the information we put up on our website--we're not going to hurry quality.

In other words: we haven't forgotten it, we're working on it, but it's very time-consuming and we've got other priorities that have to come first.

Nebraska Schulte wrote:

youngjedi71 wrote:

Nebraska Schulte wrote:

CRB wrote: Is anyone planning to update the KoTC skull page ? I've never seen it with anything in ?

Let's just say we have top men still working on it.

Top. Men.

Best wishes,
Nebraska Schulte

Does seem strange that the older films pages are done, but the newer film,the film we know more about and is very recent we have nothing?

Not really--we've obviously had longer to access, research, and write up information for the films that have been around longer. We had earlier drafts on the jackets from the trilogy even before Crystal Skull came out. It's not so much that the staff who are writing up this section don't have the information. You have to remember: we staff are doing all of this on a volunteer basis as we have time in the midst of our actual careers. A lot of planning and editing go into ensuring the quality of the information we put up on our website--we're not going to hurry quality.

In other words: we haven't forgotten it, we're working on it, but it's very time-consuming and we've got other priorities that have to come first.

I totally understand about having other things in life to attend to. I have also contributed to groups and forums. I sat down and painstakingly took hundreds of screengrabs of all 4 films...one at a time, "printscreen,open pain,save,open up photoshop,crop,name,ect"...I didnt use a program to take my screengrabs like many people have. I did it the hard way. I know what its like to research on movies,games,TV programs,ect..believe me..lol