If You Were Going Off On an Indy Adventure.....

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:00 pm

....What model/type of revovler and/or pistol would you carry? And what type of knife/knives?

RonC's speculation question of the day!!!!!

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:09 pm

If I was going on a REAL Indy adventure, I would have to pack my own personal droidika battle droid - it's the only way I'd get past all those Nazis and big Pat Roach!

This wasn't the answer you were looking for.....move along, move along....

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:18 pm

Actually Alan, I like your answer!....that took some thought on your part!

ob1al · Post by **ob1al** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:24 pm

that took some thought on your part!

Well, there's a first........

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:25 pm

Ruger - When you have to clear out every neo-Nazi fascist in the room, use only the best.

A combat modified shot-gun with a folding stock wouldn’t hurt, either.

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:30 pm

I'd have to bring along my hand cannon, as my wife affectionately refers to it. Model 629 Classic SS .44 mag. Right after I pack that, the earplugs would be next.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:39 pm

I'll kick in my$.02 worth now....

For a revolver, I just might pack along a S&W Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. For an automatic, let's say maybe an H&K USP Compact in .40 S&W.

Yeah, that's a nice combo!!!

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:44 pm

Probably my Taurus Model 605 as backup, due to weight, availability of .357 AND .38 special ammo world wide, as well as the wide choice of loads I can choose from. It's beefy enough for the job, whatever the job needs to be at the time, but the frame is small enough to hide the gun away, unlike the larger framed revolvers we have to choose from. It's also 'idiot proof' being a revolver, should the adreniline rush get the better of me in a tight situation, and I don't have to remember 'is the safety on or off this auto, and is it a single or double action?!' Little things like that tend to bother me. (grins) For serious work, my new Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 mag, and my Winchester model 94. Regards. Michaelson

LNBright · Post by **LNBright** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:48 pm

A company of Marine infantry.

Hey, it's second-nature to me! M16A2, M249SAW, 203, AT4, claymores, .50-cal machine-gun attachment, shoot, anti-tank TOW and a Mk19 to boot, and we'll take out whatever we come across....

But, on a more Indy-esque scale, I'm most comfortable with a 1911A1. I like my 13-shot Para, but, would still take a gov't-issue one and get the job done. I just prefer a .45...

-L

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:19 pm

LN, that reminds me...maybe an old "bloop tube" (M-79 single-shot 40mm grenade launcher, for the uninitiated) would be good to drag along!

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:23 pm

For nostalgia's sake, and to agree with Michaelson, I just might bring along my Browning Hi Power (w/ 2 13-round magazines, at least). And I must agree, the Model 13 S&W is a fine choice (especially when it has pre-WW2 grips and a lanyard ring, right Michaelson?

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zohar · Post by **zohar** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:26 pm

Depends on the situation. If we're talking a total world-coming-to-an-end adventure, I'm going to pack my shorty AR15, and my 1911. For an Indy-style adventure, probably my J-frame .38. It's compact, and has quite a punch with +P loads.

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:37 pm

Don't punch TO many P+'s through that J-frame. It was never made to withstand that much pressure.

Regards. Michaelson

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:39 pm

My S&W 1937 .45ACP Not just because it's Indy but because the gun is solid. You hold it in your hand and it has that "Trust me." feeling. The diameter of the barrel is very intimidating enough. No magazine to loose or get bent or dammage. Almost no possibility of a jam. If it's loaded, you can be pretty sure it's going to fire when you pull the trigger.

I am not saying that I wouldn't take my semi-auto. It would go with me. It's just I trust the .45 more.

But that's just me.

Pyro.

IndianaCollins · Post by **IndianaCollins** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:42 pm

If packing a classic style autoI'd go with a Springfield Armory Mil SPec 1991A1 .45. The High Power is cool, but the 9MM has zilch power at stopping crazed nazis and doped up villians. if a revolver, then the HE2 45.

if shotgun, a SPAS 12 or a Benelli M1 Entry (14 inch barrel model) 12 gauge with a pistol grip and a top-folding stock (like used in Jurassic Park, that was a SPAS 12)

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:56 pm

Michaelson wrote:Don't punch TO many P+'s through that J-frame. It was never made to withstand that much pressure. Regards. Michaelson

Don't worry, I don't. I have shot a few +p's through it, and they worked fine. My gunsmith said +p's would be fine for carrying, but not for shooting every day. For plinking, I use .38 specials that I've loaded way down, and to be honest with you, I don't do much plinking with it. It's almost strictly carried, and not shot much.

skywlkr · Post by **skywlkr** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:08 pm

I would carry a Springfield Armory 1911a1 government model. There's not much that beats the stopping power of a .45.
For a long gun I'd go with a Remington model 700 in a 7.62mm (.308) with a scope.
For a shotgun I'd go with my trusty Remington 870 Express pump.

Luke

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:09 pm

He gave you good advice. I usually put Glaser safety slugs in my 5 shot snubbies. Regards. Michaelson

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:38 pm

Indiana Collins...don't underestimate the energy from a 9mm projectile...even from a full-jacketed one....believe me on this one, ok?

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:20 pm

Hey, guys! How's this for a custom Indy pistol?

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/ultimate45.htm

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:51 pm

Zohar, when you refer to a 'Shorty" AR-15, do you mean something along the lines of the M4/CAR-15?

I would probobly take along either the 1911 or the Beretta 92F for pistols.

Revolvers, I would have to say the .357 mag Smith, but then that's the only revolver I've fired.

Longun: Probobly a M4/CAR-15, or possibly a Steyr Aug. But, you also can't knock the pure stopping power, accuracy, and feel of an M1 Garand--I'd want to be in REAL good shape to lug it around all the time though...

Regards,

Farn

zohar · Post by **zohar** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:55 pm

Farnham54 wrote:Zohar, when you refer to a 'Shorty" AR-15, do you mean something along the lines of the M4/CAR-15?

I would probobly take along either the 1911 or the Beretta 92F for pistols.

Revolvers, I would have to say the .357 mag Smith, but then that's the only revolver I've fired.

Longun: Probobly a M4/CAR-15, or possibly a Steyr Aug. But, you also can't knock the pure stopping power, accuracy, and feel of an M1 Garand--I'd want to be in REAL good shape to lug it around all the time though...

Regards,

Farn

Yeah, I have a Bushmaster Shorty AR with a 16" barrel. It's not as short as a real M4, but I don't want to have to deal with the paperwork and taxes involved with owning one.

Pyroxene · Post by **Pyroxene** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:03 am

RonC wrote:Hey, guys! How's this for a custom Indy pistol?

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/ultimate45.htm

That's great. But a little on the pricey side.

Fedora · Post by **Fedora** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:25 am

Give me the old Colt Service 45. The design is way older than me and served the Armed Forces for many years. Plus, that is what I shot in the military and feel comfortable with it. I recall several years ago visiting a friend of a friend who owned one of the pistols. Of course I wanted to shoot it. We went out side and after I tore the milk carton up repeatedly, he remarked, "you have shot one of these before".

But, I started shooting firearms at the tender age of 10 or so, as most boys did who grew up in the country in the 50 and 60's. So give me a 45, plus a little 25 caliber Colt for the back pocket, and a 15 inch Bowie for the belt, and a small boot knife. I would also carry a few sticks of dynamite in the satchel.

Fedora

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:46 am

Fedora, you're a man after my own heart! I, too, am an afficionado when it comes to Bowies! I'd definitely have one on my belt....to take care of snakes and such, of course!

I've just finished re-grinding a Muela Bowie blade (from Spain...good steel!) more to my own liking...I'm fashioning my own brass guard and pommel for it, and it will have a black micarta handle. Oh, yeah, it's 8" in the blade (which looks like a Randall Model 14, for those interested).

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:51 am

I just expanded the speculation to what type of cutlery you would carry, also!

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:23 am

As for the handguns I'd carry, I'd start with a S&W Mountain Gun in either .45 ACP or .44 Magnum (using .44 Special and reduced magnum loads with cast bullets). For a secondary gun I'd carry a Ruger P90 or P97, both rugged and reliable and both in .45 ACP. Then, I'd round off the firearms selection with a Remington 870 Express in 12 gauge and a Remington Model 700 rifle in a substantial, non-magnum caliber such as .308 Win.

As for knives, I'd carry a Swiss Army Huntsman, a Buck Buckmark lock-blade folder, and a Ka-Bar USMC knife. Naturally, I hope I don't have to cross any deep streams, because I'll go straight to the bottom.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:55 am

Heck, if you're talking about blades, Ron, I'd have to let my son-in-law make me one, I suppose. He's a master metalsmith of the Guild, and among other things, an edged weapons craftsman. I've seen so much in the past year that I can't even LOOK at production blades anymore. Spoiled now, I guess

Regards. Michaelson

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:00 am

Michaelson, I remember you talking aobut his skills in another thread. I would love to see his work sometime...I'm nothing more than a rank amateur who likes "messing around" with knives. I re-grind blades to suit me, and re-handle them to my tastes, but haven't got around to forging my own, yet. I've had the opportunity to use all types of knives in my travels, but that's another story!

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:03 am

Peacock's eye...I like your selections! In an earlier posting, I said I would like to carry a S&W Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. You can load that good ol' round to high velocity without the chamber pressures of a .44 Magnum.

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:16 am

Okay, I gotta ask: Why not the .44? It'll take down just about everything around. I guess I'll consider myself one of the few who doesn't mind the recoil

"When you absolutely, positively, have to have to biggest handgun made."

Of course, that's not true anymore!

Best Regards,

Paul Stenhouse

Gater · Post by **Gater** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:22 am

I think I'd have to go with an Ithaca shotgun, modified to hold extra shells.

For hand-cannons, I'd say a Model 29 S&W .44. Maybe with 4" barrel. The 6" might make for better accuracy, but the added length takes away some practicality.

EDIT: D'OH!! I wrote this while Paul wrote his, so have to stand by my decisions as individual, and no way influenced by his statement.

(doncha hate when that happens!??)

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:33 am

Woooohoooooo!!!

Right on!

Trebor · Post by **Trebor** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:36 pm

I'd take my customized, hard chromed CZ-75. It's reliable, accurate and I shoot it as well as any gun I own. It'll hold 16 rounds of nin-mike-mike and the ammo is available world wide.

If I had room, I'd also stash my S&W 28-2 in with my gear.

For a long gun, I'd probably take my Garand and pre-clipped ammo in bandoliers. I have other guns I could use, but I'm most familiar with the Garand, shoot it the best, and have the most confidence in it.

If I couldn't take my own long gun, I'd try to procure an AK-47, preferably a folder, locally as soon as I could. I know how to use one and they are EVERYWHERE.

Farnham54 · Post by **Farnham54** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:07 pm

Knives? Well I can't believe no one has mentioned this...

Leatherman Wave. It's got a heckufalot of really useful stuff. For just a straight blade, I would be partial to an 8 inch Bowie or a Ka-Bar. I love the feel of both knives, and they done many generations before me good, so can't argue with history!

whipwarrior · Post by **whipwarrior** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:14 pm

My converted .455 Webley and my Buck Cocobola Special hunting knife!

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:31 pm

Ron, you're correct about the loadings for the .45 Colt. My brother has a Ruger Vaquero in this loading, and it is a honey of a handgun. The Mountain Gun version in this caliber would be a good third choice for me in a revolver. Thanks for the reminder.

I load my .44 magnum down 100 to 300 feet per second because I can control fast follow-up shots better, it makes for a better general purpose gun, and when I shoot more than a few cylinders of full power magnums my shooting hand is sore and stiff the next day. My hand can't take the pounding it used to. Besides, a round that travels 900 to 1100 feet per second will do everything I require.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:49 pm

Paul, the .45 Colt can be loaded to what everyone likes to call ".44 Magnum velocities" with about 10,000cup of presure less than a similarly loaded .44 Magnum...same velocities and energy, less abuse of the revolver. A stoutly loaded .45 Colt with, say, a 310 grain bullet will handle most creatures quite nicel I'm not recoil sensitive, either...got over that shooting M-79 40mm grenade launchers and Barrett rifles.

Paul_Stenhouse · Post by **Paul_Stenhouse** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:30 pm

RonC,

I remember fond memories of having my fingers 'pinched' by an undersling M203. Ahhh, good times. I never did get to shoot a MK19, but always wanted to stick one out the window of my Blackhawk and see what happened.

I just came back from the range, putting another box of .44 mag downrange. I forgot how much fun that is.

Best Regards,

Paul Stenhouse

auntsugar · Post by **auntsugar** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:26 am

I wonder if I could fit a howitzer in my bag...

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:32 am

Auntsugar, as a Sensor Operator onboard AC-130H Gunships, I got to fire a howitzer quite a bit....handles all sorts of nasty things quite well!!!!....don't think it will fit in your Mk. VII, though!

Peacock's Eye · Post by **Peacock's Eye** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:43 am

I like Fedora's idea of carrying a few sticks of dynamite. It seemed to come in handy for Rick O'Connell.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:15 am

"There are few problems in modern society that cannot be resolved with the proper application of high explosives.".....I remember that quote form somewhere....sort of goes along with the Rick O'Connell theory!!!

Renderking Fisk · Post by **Renderking Fisk** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:32 am

Nobody's mentioned a map and compass, either.

RonC · Post by **RonC** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:37 am

RK, that's just de rigeur equipment to have, isn't it?

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:40 am

MAP? We don't NEED no stink'n map!!!

Regards. Michaelson

Cooler King · Post by **Cooler King** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:55 am

Well, I'd have to say either a Baretta M29F or a Colt .45 1911A1. Both guns are great, but the Colt has the time tested power and durability that you would need. The .45 has the knockdown power that's good for heavy combat - just as my grandfather. But the Baretta is still a good gun.

Or in other cases, if you need to mow down some Nazis or clear some brush REAL fast, this honey should do the job! I'm talkin about 'Puff The Magic Dragon'! That's right, the Vulcan M-134 GE Minigun! That thing can rip you to shreads!

"Time to let Ol' Painless out of the bag..."

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:05 pm

Just as a bit of useless information, the creator of the original 'Puff the Magic Dragon' C-47 gun platform in Viet Nam is the chairman of our Aviation Systems Department here at the Institute I work at, Dr. Ralph Kimberlin. I've heard stories about it, as well as the second platform that replaced 'Puff'. (He created that monster too). Regards. Michaelson

prettybigguy · Post by **prettybigguy** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:36 pm

Not to nit-pick, but I'm pretty sure that the Vulcan is a 20mm rotary cannon mounted on most American fighter planes like the F-16 and the FA-18. The mini-gun is a much smaller 7.62mm rotary machine gun like the one pictured. Of course they are both dwafed by the 30mm Avenger which is mounted on the A-10 Thunderbolt II.
As far as adventure guns go, I am firmly in the Colt 1911 camp.
PBG

Cooler King · Post by **Cooler King** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:40 pm

prettybigguy wrote:Not to nit-pick, but I'm pretty sure that the Vulcan is a 20mm rotary cannon mounted on most American fighter planes like the F-16 and the FA-18. The mini-gun is a much smaller 7.62mm rotary machine gun like the one pictured. Of course they are both dwafed by the 30mm Avenger which is mounted on the A-10 Thunderbolt II.
As far as adventure guns go, I am firmly in the Colt 1911 camp.
PBG

You're probably right, but I've always heard the handheld 'minigun' to be the Vulcan, maybe it was some sort of missunderstanding.