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There is a dent in the carpet where my jaw hit the floor when I saw this pic in the Orvis Catalog.



These are "World War II Officer’s pants...Sewn in England...Two rear flap pockets"

The problem is they are not pleated! (Or at least don't say they are. Argh!)

The color looks correct. The cut looks correct. This was so close to being a NH substitute.

Oh well. The search continues.

Pyro.

Pyro, these look great...even without the pleats, they appear to be "suitable substitutes."

Yeah, those are closer than almost anything I've seen (other than the NH pants, of course!)
Regards--Maryon

How much are they?

Jsoftz wrote:How much are they?

They are $198. Even waist sizes 32-46; Cuffed up to 34" or plain finished up to 35" at no extra charge.

Goto www.orvis.com under Men's Clothing ->Pants ->Classic Twills

I don't think I've ever seen officers pinks without pleats... I would guess they are proabably there. I wonder if they have a button fly. I dunno about the rest of you guys, but thats one place I don't need interlocking metal teeth.

Someone has to pick up the gear line from Noel. I don't care about the shirt, I'm making my own... but all the rest, I mean someone has to. That was the great thing about the indygear, almost everything was still available, and it was all as good as screen used. On the plus side I still coudln't afford the gear anyway. Except thats not really a plus at all.

Keep in mind that with Indy 4 coming out, there will have to be someone to make the outfits. We may wind up with many new suppliers, who knows?

Orvis ? Are these outdoor pants or dressy pants?

Renderking Fisk wrote:Orvis ? Are these outdoor pants or dressy pants?

I would think these are designed to be outdoor pants. Cavalry twill is, by nature, a hard wearing material.

It looks like Orvis set out to create a real adventure line of clothing. Here's a quote from their site.
"Orvis has developed a line of clothes inspired by pioneers such as Commander [John] Towers and the clothes they wore during their endeavors. We’ve chosen styles and materials modeled after the originals..."

If they had pleats, you'd be able to see the outermost pleat, since the fold occurs on the second, inner pleat. They appear to me to be unpleated, and since the copy specifies English 'hardware,' I'm bettting they are zippered as well. A button fly would be too notable not to include it in the ad copy.

In my humble opinion, anyway...

What's the link to their adventure gear?

I just picked up a close alternate to these pants (for a lot cheaper). Dockers Go Khaki Relaxed Chino Flat Front (yeah, I know). Check 'em out http://www.us.dockers.com/fal03a/docker ... d_home.jsp

Renderking Fisk wrote:What's the link to their adventure gear?

Right now they only list two jackets and the pants.

http://www.orvis.com/intro.asp?dir_id=&Group_ID=&subject=607

I don't get it... they hype this guy's "Action wear" but they only have three items.

I would guess they are proabably there. I wonder if they have a button fly. I dunno about the rest of you guys, but thats one place I don't need interlocking metal teeth.

LOL!!!

Interesting that the pants are English import AND made from Scottish wool- exactly like the M.B.A. pants. The wool probably comes from the same factory. In fact, I'd bet on it.


P.S.- They're proud of those jackets, aren't they?!

I found these on the same web site as the calvery Twills. Both can be plain front or with plets and cost $79.00. What about these?

<img src='http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/1 ... 04sage.jpg'>

OR

<img src='http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/1 ... 52sage.jpg'>

Cheers,
Jeff

I didn't see anything close in color, Gobler.

But I agree with Pyro, the above was the closest in color, material, drape, pocket flaps. But no pleats. I have to ask this, but is there anyway, to add pleats. This really was so close. I need to talk to a tailor.

-Sergei

I must interject at this point and publicly advertise my complete 'guttedness' that NH pants are no longer available! I found out they were available just too late.....

Sorry, I needed to get that off my chest....................

I know, it's frustrating to find a style thats good but no color choice or find a color but there is just one thing not right. I may buy a pair just to have "Indyesq" pants. Sage is not too bad but oh well. Perhaps I will call to see if I can get the cavlary twill with pleats. For almost $200 they "may" accomidate.

Cheers,
Jeff

I draw the line at pants that cost that much. Thats why I go with cotton or wool close enoughs. Not screen accurate, yet not too much. Much easier for my budget. Heck, those first pants cost more than my jacket did, and my parents were pretty reluctant on that I think the LL Bean pants are pretty good (still too high for me though :crys:). Don't know what all I'm offering, but I figured I'd say it.

Sergei wrote:I didn't see anything close in color, Gobler.

But I agree with Pyro, the above was the closest in color, material, drape, pocket flaps. But no pleats. I have to ask this, but is there anyway, to add pleats. This really was so close. I need to talk to a tailor.

-Sergei

It would seem that all one need do (after your tailor consultation) is order a larger size so the material is there to take in. Seems simple enough for a pro. Sorry nothing concrete, just speculation.

I spoke to my tailor a few minutes ago and she said you would need 4 inches extra in the pants to put the pleats in the pants.You would have to remove the waist band and adjust the belt loops.The seat of the pants would also have to be taken in as well. She said it wasn't that hard to do cost to me $10.00.I hope this helps.You need to order them 4 inches to big in the waist !!!

Sharpetoys

Hello,
Is there anyway these pants could be ordered with pleats in them ? There is a large group of indiana jones collectors that would love your product if it was a ittle more screen accurate I really believe you could sell hundreds of more pants if the pleats were added.Please let me know after you have taken it up with the powers to be.
Regards,

Roger

There are other, possibly better, sources for replica officers pinks. Many WWII reinactors websites will have links. I had just found a few on google. Often times much less expensive too.

Hey Paulcrastination, if you have found sources that do replicas please post the links. I keep comming accross Orvis or historical sites.

Cheers,
Jeff

I'll find some, I remeber looking for NH alternatives last year and I found some pinks that even had a button fly, its the only one I can't find. Stay tuned!

Turns out we can once again turn to Jerry at WPG...
http://whatpriceglory.com/usofc.htm

Here one more:
http://www.warhorsetradingpost.com/cat12.htm

I liked this one, made to order, maybe they should pick up the NH stuff.
http://www.artaqua.co.uk/regulation/military.htm

I'm off to eat, I'll edit this post later tonight or tommorow when I have more links and time.

-Paul

Yeh, I came across those as wel but I was not certain they have pleats. But for 50 pounds it's a great deal.

Cheers,
Jeff

Check out L.L. Bean's first class twills. available in taupe, pleated front, no cuffs, pocket flaps, regularly $78.95, on sale now for $49.95.

http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... s&sale=yes

Paulcrastination wrote:Turns out we can once again turn to Jerry at WPG...
http://whatpriceglory.com/usofc.htm

Here one more:
http://www.warhorsetradingpost.com/cat12.htm

I liked this one, made to order, maybe they should pick up the NH stuff.
http://www.artaqua.co.uk/regulation/military.htm

I'm off to eat, I'll edit this post later tonight or tommorow when I have more links and time.

-Paul

Yeah, no pleats on the "pinks" that is the primary issue. Big bucks on spending on this pants and yet the pleats are missing. I do like the LL Bean First Class Twill. Color looks right, pleats are there, but this maybe minor, I think I see a pattern in the fabric. Hopefully it's not that noticeable in person. Who's going to go first?

-S

Wested are going to produce authentic pants and shirts very soon.

I think it makes sense to wait and see what they will offer before spending money on not-quite-rights IMHO.

I've already ordered my LL Bean twills. If they are like the cavalry twills, yes there will be a twill pattern. That's why the call them twills. For the $50 difference, I don't CARE if there is a twill pattern.

Cheers,

Gary Indiana

For anyone who is interested the price on the ORVIS pants has dropped to $139.00. Just fyi.

I think someone posted there are no pleats on Bean's cavalry twills. As I look at mne I see double pleats. When ordering online from Bean, you have to check the choice boxes careully. If you don't specify pleats, you don't get them.

Cheers,

Gary

Not too shabby either. Here are some "Field Twill" pants from Orvis. Can get them with or without pleats. $89.00.

http://www.orvis.com/store/product_choi ... 0&shop_id=

I've got to tell you all, that we should wait for Peter to make them, and we all buy from him, so he can do business and we can get a quality and accurate pants and shirt.

Happy new year

My pants are starting to look like the were worn by Indy. The bottom hem is starting to fray, I am missing the back pocket buttons and it has a tear on the leg that has been sewn shut.

Hey everyone its spelt CAVALRY!!! not CALVARY
Regards and happy and safe new year to all
Sam

You are correct. I have corrected the spelling at the beginning of the thread.

Pyr.

I just ordered a pair of the Orvis Cavalry Twill Officer's Pinks; they aren't available until Jan. 30th, and then there is the delivery time, as well, but when they do come in I'll be able to answer the "pleats" & "English hardware" (i.e. button-fly or no button-fly) questions with certainty.

The Orvis Twill Field Pants are cotton and they only have one rear flap pocket (the other is a slit pocket, I think, or possibly none at all).

Warm Regards,

Erick