Club Obi Wan

While I await my hat from "Across The Pond", I continue to research the other items to start building my Indy Archives. As the jacket is my next purchase (my Marcus Brody Museum Budget is limited to one for now), I recall a commercial for an Indiana Jones Jacket sold in The Early '90's on TV. Does anyone else remember the details of this? Also has anyone found a Sure Fire method for Aging/Distressing jackets. I have it down to Two Brands, that are within the budget...

I don't recall one advertised on tv, but the timing might suggest it was the same one that Lucasfilm Fanclub was offering. Did it look like this???


If so, it's a cowhide jacket, most likely made by Cooper. The closest on the market today are U.S. Wings.

As for distressing, the best way is to just wear it. Natural distressing is the best. But there many who will disagree with me. If you simply must, start going through the Care & Distressing section. TONS of advice and tips.

Just found the commercial on "You Tube", under "Indiana Jones Jacket Commercial 1991", was manufactured by a "Willabee and Ward". Yeah, already did a search, they're still around, but their jacket isn't. Pricing was kinda steep back then, now I remember why I didn't get one (wouldn't fit now any way!)...

That's almost $400.00 in today's dollars. Sheesh.

Cool commercial. Now, where can i get me one?

Cool. It looks a little different from my old one, but same tag. So it might have been the next iteration. Most likely it was sold through several vendors, including W&W.

I know better now, but if I had seen that commercial in 91 I would have had a fit!

Travis

I still want one. Those jackets with the old Indiana Jones logo are pretty hard to find.

I have one of those with the Indiana Jones label, but it's in a nice crinkly lambskin. Looks alot like what TN offers on his Raiders jackets.
Mike

I'd never even seen that ad before - and all that time I spent in a black Moores bomber jacket in the early 90's!

IndyBlues wrote:I have one of those with the Indiana Jones label, but it's in a nice crinkly lambskin. Looks alot like what TN offers on his Raiders jackets.
Mike

there's a reason for that Mike.

RCSignals wrote: there's a reason for that Mike.

Tony Nowak made the Fan Club jackets???

IndyBlues wrote:

RCSignals wrote: there's a reason for that Mike.

Tony Nowak made the Fan Club jackets???

How'd you come to that conclusion?

Shrunken lamb. Was used a great deal in that era of those jackets, and used by Cooper. Avirex used it on their special edition A-2s, and still does as 'Cockpit'
Anyway some of those jackets like you have were made of shrunken lamb, and it is likely yours is.

Willabee and Ward also had magazine print ads for the jacket. There was one posted here on COW, but I can't locate it.

What are those jackets worth nowadays (the one in the above pic)? Anyone know?

The Willabee and Ward jacket was a Cooper. I ordered my old one from W&W and it had the Cooper hang tag and the plane on the neck label.

Here's an ad for a Cooper A2 sold by W&W. I don't recall any of the IJ order forms mentioning it, but like I said, the hang tag said Cooper.

found the Willabee and Ward paper ad

AWESOME! Thanks RCSignals

I wish someone still had one because I would pay good money for one

Kyle

Hope this won't get me in any trouble, but I just saw one of these listed on an auction site. *cough*


Not my size. Decent looking jacket.

I remember clearly that tag also being in jackets sold at JCPenny during that timeperiod too. I even talked one of the clerks to allow me to take a tag off one of the jackets for my collection. She thought I was nuts, but did it anyway.

It's buried with the rest of the stuff out in the garage, though.

That was in the early 90's.

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:I remember clearly that tag also being in jackets sold at JCPenny during that timeperiod too. I even talked one of the clerks to allow me to take a tag off one of the jackets for my collection. She thought I was nuts, but did it anyway.

It's buried with the rest of the stuff out in the garage, though.

That was in the early 90's.

Regards! Michaelson

That is incredible! You ACTUALLY got a clerk to remove a tag!!

That is hilarious and also amazing. I don't think anyone could get a clerk to do that today. Nicely done sir!

Probably couldn't today, but back then it wasn't too difficult. I guess the crazed look in my eye scared her into handing it over. Who knows.

Regards! Michaelson

Chewbacca Jones wrote:I don't recall one advertised on tv, but the timing might suggest it was the same one that Lucasfilm Fanclub was offering. Did it look like this???

My first Indy Jacket looks just like that. I got it at Disneyland in 2001, so they were still around then.

Neil's reconfirmed - without any doubt on his part - that he used calf... Period... As far as I'm concerned - case closed...

So, while it has those visual charactaristics similar to striated lambskin that was available in the marketplace at the time, the leather that was used on the hero jacket in Raiders was in fact irregular calfskin. Speculation to the contrary is based on - well it is baseless...

_....I don't know if I would dismiss it as entirely baseless...I mean, to be as completely convinced as some folks are can't be chalked up to mass hysteria and delusional hypnosis on that wide a scale....now, baseless in any kind of sense of REALITY? Yeah.....but baseless when it comes to "movie magic" and film manipulations...well...I think there's the rub, eh?

Second....I have in my possession RIGHT NOW (and I'm tryin' to get the best shots of it I can) one of the Wings Hero "naked cowhide" jackets....not QUITE the same thing as calfskin, but...close in qualities and properties, right? At any rate...I kid you not, there is a place on the top chest panel...the graining and patterning actually is mimicking the "striations" that can be seen in the Raven Bar scene jacket. And knowing that this grain is going to pop even more with a little wear...

All I can say is that I can absolutely SEE how calfskin would be able to appear, ON SCREEN, in the right lighting, angles, etc....as the "striated lambskin."

Oh...and I am as certain as you are that Neil is dead-on about his recollections. No disputes there.

So-be on the lookout for the pics....up soon!

Regards!
Indydawg

Much obliged, my man

Michaelson wrote:I remember clearly that tag also being in jackets sold at JCPenny during that timeperiod too. I even talked one of the clerks to allow me to take a tag off one of the jackets for my collection. She thought I was nuts, but did it anyway.

It's buried with the rest of the stuff out in the garage, though.

That was in the early 90's.

Regards! Michaelson

Was this the tag you were referring to?

Yep, its nice to have the Dawg back to keep us inline. I am glad to hear what Neil said. I just watched Raiders again and I still see calf after all these years.I do not want to start a war, its just what I see. Now I will see it from Sarge(and Neil) this fall! Yeah!

Just a thought, the reason I always thought it to be calf is because of the scrapes someone did to it to distress it. Lamb does not do it as well(more gummy), but calf has a unique way of scraping.Just my two pesos!Cheers

What is it they say about "the eye of the beholder?"

Can't get here soon enough, can it, Gringo?!

Ok...back to my books now!

Regards!
Indydawg

Back to my books as well! Take care my friend.

ProfessorHenryWJonesJr wrote: Was this the tag you were referring to?

I believe it was! Sure looks familiar Regard! Michaelson

_ wrote:

Gringo wrote:Yep, its nice to have the Dawg back to keep us inline. I am glad to hear what Neil said. I just watched Raiders again and I still see calf after all these years.I do not want to start a war, its just what I see. Now I will see it from Sarge(and Neil) this fall! Yeah!

Just a thought, the reason I always thought it to be calf is because of the scrapes someone did to it to distress it. Lamb does not do it as well(more gummy), but calf has a unique way of scraping.Just my two pesos!Cheers

You're not starting a war - that's my job! (grin) Seriously, the first time I dug into this way back when I was told it was an oil-pulled naked cow. Every word but "cow" was greek to me. Then I "learned" everything that was readily offered - all the Wested stuff. Then bit by bit it fell apart and I've ended up back where I started... Facts are facts, as Sarge likes to say - but the weirdness around the misinformation. The raw emotion. It's - well - weird...

Ah, well... Back to my emails...

Well said _ !I guess only a few fully understand that Neil Cooper and I have not only worked together day in and day out as business partners since 1985 but have spent a lot of years talking about the Raiders Jacket and George Lucas! with that said look at how many Indy Jackets we have made and sold worldwide over the years.... You, Michaelson and IndyDawg have known for years about Neil and I ... " Facts are facts".
Sarge

Hey _, It was once said the greatest Generals were not very popular(like you care). But my favorite line from my dad was"Never apoligize for being right". After all this time, its time to relish. We(the real ones) know what you have done. It was thankless then, but maybe not anymore. Cheers Mate.
You may be a prick, but you are COWS prick

WELL said, Gringo!

Regard! Michaelson

Somehow, I doubt that _ feels the "need" for thanks in order to feel appreciated.....but, Gringo-you are more right on this one than you know!

A lot of times...it's far more a matter of being "right" or being "happy."

In _'s case...I think it's ALWAYS better to be "right!"

And, like him, I have always tried to rectify and admit when I've been wrong...and BOY, have I been wrong before!

But sometimes....what's right is just what's right and there's just NO other way to spin it.

Nicely said, sir!

Indydawg

Gringo wrote:You may be a prick, but you are COWS prick

Wouldn't that technically make him a bull?

In this case....one of the "high dollar" ones, too!

Man...did I just compare _ to a prize bull?

The implications are...staggering...
Indydawg

Nice tag! My Cooper/Disney jacket from 1992/1993 had that exact tag. I carried it around in the jacket pocket until it perished in a wet, drunken escapade. I still have a t-shirt with the same art. Memories!

You should scan that shirt in, run it through photoshop or something, and create a PDF of it...that would be outstanding!

Good one Bink! I stand corrected. Do you want to call him what he really is?

"Now you're getting nasty"


I'm kidding _, don't kill me

I remember as others, all the old posts. He was challenged, he was yelled at and he got PM stones thrown at him all the time. But he never faltered. Does that make him are DARK KNIGHT? Maybe a little dramatic, but not very far off.

No-you're right...

It reminds me of a line of dialogue from Braveheart....

"You admire him because he's uncompromising." Or...something like that....

And even though, as Robert Bruce's father says following that, "It's exactly the ability to compromise" which enables someone to "get along" in diverse situations....there are always those who know what's right and will NOT compromise.

I would certainly like to know that someone, at some point, one day would rather call ME uncompromising....it certainly feels more noble, doesn't it?!

Dark Knight, he may be, Gringo....

You are a wise man Dawg.Goodnight!

Bon soir, mon ami!

Indydawg

RCSignals wrote:found the Willabee and Ward paper ad

The pocket flaps on that jackets look straight on!
Very good looking jacket...

_ wrote:I step away from a string, and look what happens...

All comments appreciated and in good fun. I've been known for being a bull in a china shop and a grade-A prick. My personality profiles have always come back with comparisons to Patton and Sherman. And my MO is not to argue with accuracy and useful comparisons. So, there you have it...

I have to say something, though... I feel more relaxed in this place than I have in a long time. I'm not worrying about every word I use and whether somebody will spin it and use it against me... Refreshing!

You must be talking about these bulls _!

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -shop.html

You have always been alright in my book.

Cheers to that Scot!

Y'all realize that in the space of 3 threads we have a bull, a naked cow, and a calf.....

Natural order of things son. I'm just sorry you had to find out the facts of life here of all places.

Weston