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I believe Johnny Depp to have the best hats of all the celebrities out there who sport fedoras, but it seems Indiana Jones star Shia LaBeouf has picked up a rather traditional fedora himself.

It looks pretty natural on him!

Mark Brody wrote:I believe Johnny Depp to have the best hats of all the celebrities out there who sport fedoras, but it seems Indiana Jones star Shia LaBeouf has picked up a rather traditional fedora himself.

Makes him look like a mix between one of my uncles, and Paul Simon.

Not a bad look at all.

oh dear............that looks a tad ominous

Nice hat

Bad shirt

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

What do you mean bad shirt? It's a modern take on the Michaelson look.

Nice to see him in a wider brimmed hat as opposed to the cheapy stingy brims going about.

Must be getting ready for the "hand off", from Indy.

Great to see a young guy in a wider brimmed hat. Now, who is his hatter? This is not a model I have seen around, so maybe custom, to his specs? Fedora

binkmeisterRick wrote:What do you mean bad shirt? It's a modern take on the Michaelson look.

Nothing wrong with that!

Regards! Michaelson

Fedora wrote:Must be getting ready for the "hand off", from Indy.

Great to see a young guy in a wider brimmed hat. Now, who is his hatter? This is not a model I have seen around, so maybe custom, to his specs? Fedora

I hate to say it, but it looks a exactly like a Stacy Adams hat I have, right down to the matching thin 'ribbon' made of the same felt. Which isn't bad, at least he's wearing it; maybe it was a gift? SA sells a lot of hats in men's siut stores, so there's a few out there.

Someone posted this a while ago. You can see his hand is still bandaged up, so it must have been around the time he had that bad car accident. I think the hat suits him. Its good to see guys my age wearing a proper hat because you just don't see it anymore. And I like the shirt. Nothing wrong with it.

Dave

I like it! The hat, the shirt -- but those shoes must go! Don't care for those. But, if he is comfortable in them, then so be it! W>

I like the entire outfit to be honest. The hat suits him much better than I thought a wider brimmed hat would. Maybe there's hope for this young generation?! Wearing Michaelson gear and wide brimmed fedoras.. a good sign!

Randy

binkmeisterRick wrote:What do you mean bad shirt? It's a modern take on the Michaelson look.

Fine, fine.

Hat is good.
Shirt is good.
Shoes are good.

But that watch!

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

Indiana Jeff wrote:

binkmeisterRick wrote:What do you mean bad shirt? It's a modern take on the Michaelson look.

Fine, fine.

Hat is good.
Shirt is good.
Shoes are good.

But that watch!

Regards,

Indiana Jeff

LOL...

When you said that I noticed a cast on his arm what the #### happened?

That was from his accident last year, so it must be an old picture. He was hit by a driver who ran a red light, and he had to have surgery. If you watch in Transformers 2, they gave his character a hand injury during the movie to explain the cast/bandage.

Sorry I don't like it. Its a low crown which IMO isn't sufficient for his beaky face. I'd call that a trilby and my taste is for bigger untapered hats. Each to their own.

Snapbrim, I can't criticize you for not liking the hat, because it's all just a matter of opinion, but I disagree with you on the hat being a trilby. Trilby's usually have a much shorter brim, but the crown may be as tall and straight as a regular fedora. Keep in mind that Indy's hat is not a regular fedora. It is one of the straightest and tallest hats around. 99% of fedoras out their are either shorter than Indy's, have some sort of taper, or (most likely) both. Again, I wouldn't say that you're wrong not to like his hat, but save Johnny Depp this is the most Indy-like fedora I've seen on a celebrity since the golden age.

Mark Brody wrote:That was from his accident last year, so it must be an old picture. He was hit by a driver who ran a red light, and he had to have surgery. If you watch in Transformers 2, they gave his character a hand injury during the movie to explain the cast/bandage.

Ya I noticed that, was a bit odd, but you have to do something right. Has to be an older picture as he probably does not have that cast on anymore. The hat looks good though.

IndianaChris

Mark Brody wrote:Snapbrim, I can't criticize you for not liking the hat, because it's all just a matter of opinion, but I disagree with you on the hat being a trilby. Trilby's usually have a much shorter brim, but the crown may be as tall and straight as a regular fedora. Keep in mind that Indy's hat is not a regular fedora. It is one of the straightest and tallest hats around. 99% of fedoras out their are either shorter than Indy's, have some sort of taper, or (most likely) both. Again, I wouldn't say that you're wrong not to like his hat, but save Johnny Depp this is the most Indy-like fedora I've seen on a celebrity since the golden age.

I wasn't saying that because its a low crown its a trilby. I was saying i don't like low crowns. But i'm pretty sure that in England a hat doesn't have to be a stingy brim to be labelled a trilby. I have a Lock &Co "Madison" which is the same specs as Shia's hat and its called a trilby in the catalogue. In 2007 I bought a HJ with a high crown and a 2 inch snap brim and it was sold as a trilby. Its almost as big as an Indy hat but because the brim is less than 2.5 inches its still classed as a trilby. Most people in England haven't heard the word Fedora and only today I was wearing my Fed 4 Moonstone and an old lady said "i like your trilby". I've noticed its the other way around in the USA - I get "I like your Fedora" when I'm wearing my stingy brim. I could be wrong but maybe different nations have different definitions about what is and isn't a Fedora.

Interesting. Thanks for the enlightenment!

Someone as iconic to the young as Shia may actually be the thin end of the wedge for a full blown 40's fashion revival.
Imagine it - if you can - elegant teenagers!

I always thought the trilby was English for fedora. And the bowler was English for a derby. Could be wrong though. Fedora

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilby

This article agrees with you, Steve.

Regards! Michaelson

Interestingly, both names are derived from plays...

There's a guy who deals cards at the watering hole I frequent most; he's from Newcastle. I've worn a number of hats at his table*. The other day though, he asked if I liked trilbys, thus seeming to recognize what I'd been wearing as a different style. Certainly not making an argument either way, but it would seem it's one of those things that was hazy to begin with and now the subtleties have been lost.

Michaelson - Wiki? you? com'on....



*fedora-wise

the English trilby is very similar to a stingy brim fedora but with a deeper snap on the brim. it's more commonly made of corduroy or tweed rather than felt. At least nowadays.

the English trilby is very similar to a stingy brim fedora but with a deeper snap on the brim. it's more commonly made of corduroy or tweed rather than felt. At least nowadays.

Someone needs to post that old pic of a crowd in England, oh, probably back in the 1930's. It was a sea of hats! All types. And probably was full of trilbys.

The biggest difference that I see in those old hats, comparing the English to Americans, is the type of top crease. It seems the type used on the Indy hat, on the top was more common in England, whereas the American fedora seemed to feature the C dent or tear drop top crease more. Not that you did not see American fedoras with the homburg type top crease, because you did, but the other type of crease in the top seemed to me more common. Just going by old films and old pics here.

kiltie wrote:
Michaelson - Wiki? you? com'on....

Sure, why not? It's a source. Not one accepted at university level, but still a starting place for those interested in jumping off to do further research.

Heck, even our 'rocket scientist' mathematicians here at the Institute allow graduate level students to use Wiki to look up common math forumlas and principles, as some things NEVER change, so Wiki is just as good a resource for standard information as anything else.

Regards! Michaelson

Fedora wrote:

the English trilby is very similar to a stingy brim fedora but with a deeper snap on the brim. it's more commonly made of corduroy or tweed rather than felt. At least nowadays.

Someone needs to post that old pic of a crowd in England, oh, probably back in the 1930's. It was a sea of hats! All types. And probably was full of trilbys.

The biggest difference that I see in those old hats, comparing the English to Americans, is the type of top crease. It seems the type used on the Indy hat, on the top was more common in England, whereas the American fedora seemed to feature the C dent or tear drop top crease more. Not that you did not see American fedoras with the homburg type top crease, because you did, but the other type of crease in the top seemed to me more common. Just going by old films and old pics here.

you are probably right. I was thinking more about the dreadful modern chav trilby

Michaelson wrote:

kiltie wrote:
Michaelson - Wiki? you? com'on....

Sure, why not? ....

Just stirring the pot .
Hornets and a few other vendors make a distinction on their sites as to fedora vs trilby. If your get to looking at them, you start to see what puts one in one family or the other - at least where their opinion is concerned.

Mark Brody wrote:Snapbrim, I can't criticize you for not liking the hat, because it's all just a matter of opinion, but I disagree with you on the hat being a trilby. Trilby's usually have a much shorter brim, but the crown may be as tall and straight as a regular fedora. Keep in mind that Indy's hat is not a regular fedora. It is one of the straightest and tallest hats around. 99% of fedoras out their are either shorter than Indy's, have some sort of taper, or (most likely) both. Again, I wouldn't say that you're wrong not to like his hat, but save Johnny Depp this is the most Indy-like fedora I've seen on a celebrity since the golden age.

Hello,

I disagree with Indy's hat being something of a rarity - certainly not by its height or its straightness, both of which were common in the Golden Era. I guess you are comparing Indy's hat with modern hats, which are, indeed, normally lower and tapered, and, I would add, shorter brimmed, too. But it is with the hats of the era Indiana Jones is supposed to have been around, that you should compare. Comparing to these, as has been told in other occassions, what makes Indy's hats stand out is the crease (but only the Raiders crease, the other styles are conventional), and the dimensionally cut brim - and even then, it is not unique; dimensionally cut brims were in existence, although rare, and the Raiders crease is, indeed, uncommon (even if you disregard the turn).

If you take a look at The Fedora Lounge forum, specifically the "What hat are you wearing today" thread, you will see plenty of members sporting tall and straight crowns, many vintage, others modernly made (they do exist, of course - like Akubra's styles Federation IV, and, less known here, Campdraft). Of course, that community is statistically odd, because the average member prefers Golden Era hat styles - not modern, lower crowned and tapered, styles.

(As an aside, I do not see the hat Shia is wearing above as much of an Indy style. I would like to see more pics, but that one seems to gather more the characteristics of average modern hats. It does not even have a conventional ribbon. Of course, if you were comparing with those cloth hats, and similar fashion hats, presently in vogue and sported by some famous stars, then you would be right )

Oh dear.... do you guys think, that if they made indy 5 with Shia being, well, the new Jones, they'd put a fedora on him?...I mean, I guess it could work story wise considering Indy wears his in homage to the other grave robber guy...but could the kid pull it off?

I pulled out my old Lite Felt hat that I bought several years back after retiring from the military to keep my head a bit warmer in the cooling fall months. Although it is brown, it looks to be pretty much the same as what Shia is wearing in the pic.

Per the comment about the Golden Age hat styles most seen on the Fedora Lounge, versus the shorter brimmed styles available today on the market and predominantly worn by the younger crowd: I think the younger crowd interested in buying a hat is pretty much just buying what is typically available. I have had a lot of young guys inquire about my tall crowned, non-tapered Borsalinos, Stetsons, Knox, etc... Most have no idea where to find such hats, let alone any of the history behind them. Sites like this one and the Fedora Lounge offer a great wealth of inforation and certainly allow one to choose wisely when searching for a nice quality hat, be it wide brimmed, narrow, etc.

XPLSV wrote: Per the comment about the Golden Age hat styles most seen on the Fedora Lounge, versus the shorter brimmed styles available today on the market and predominantly worn by the younger crowd: I think the younger crowd interested in buying a hat is pretty much just buying what is typically available. I have had a lot of young guys inquire about my tall crowned, non-tapered Borsalinos, Stetsons, Knox, etc... Most have no idea where to find such hats, let alone any of the history behind them. Sites like this one and the Fedora Lounge offer a great wealth of inforation and certainly allow one to choose wisely when searching for a nice quality hat, be it wide brimmed, narrow, etc.

Not only kids, but people in general, are completely unfamiliar with hat styles, etc - not that this is to be unexpected, of course, hats being so uncommon. I have had friends, or family, calling my attention to that kind of fashionable cloth or machine-moulded wool cheap hats, in stores, or on other people's cap, because they, genuinely, see no difference between those and the ones I wear.

Regarding the comment about Shia's pulling off a fedora... I am sure he could, if they give him one suitable for his features. There is no need to put on him the same hat HF wears; he could follow the fedora tradition, out of admiration for his father, but use another hat.