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I just watched the big Woodstock special last night. Kinda interesting.

I see an Indy hat in the lower right.

bruce wayne wrote:I see an Indy hat in the lower right.

That's the only thing that's keeping this one from getting deleted too.


Regards! Michaelson

That's the only thing that's keeping this one from getting deleted too.


Regards! Michaelson

That hat is extremly out of place for 1969. It looks great though. I wonder if he wore it to be different or because he really didn't like the short brimmed hats of the time. It could have been just to keep the sun off his face and neck. Whatever the reason, it is a great looking hat.

Dave

Looks a bit like Michaelson to me. Note the nascent moustache.

LJ

I'd guess this is a medium brown fedora. 2 1/2 in. brim, 1.5 inch ribbon, darker than the felt.. At least a marginally good Indy hat. .. He probably had it handed down, or bought it at a second hand store. Maybe this guy will respond to this thread? As in google will lead him here? It's possible.

Not if he isn't a member, it won't.

Regards! Michaelson

"To get back to the warning that I received. You may take it with however many grains of salt that you wish. That the brown felt that is circulating around us isn't too good. It is suggested that you stay away from that. Of course it's your own hat. So be my guest, but please be advised that there is a warning on that one, ok?"

Dave

Ulloa -

It's a reference to "self medicating"*....

DR Ulloa wrote:That hat is extremly out of place for 1969.

Dave

Don't wan't it to spiral too far out of control, but that hat's not that unusual for the time:



Also, think of Billy Jack, the Man With No Name, and other hat wearing anti-heroes of the time. I've had a theory for a long time that Indy's Raiders hat was influenced more by the hats like the one in the Woodstock picture than the ones of the thirties. Really... Raiders is fresh out of the seventies, and late sixties/early seventies culture has had a huge impact on Lucas, Spielberg, and Deb Landis... That's my look at it.

The only problem I have with that theory (living through the 60's myself) was that a hat was considered 'The Establishment'. The 'anti-establishment' movement abhored anything like a fedora which presented the 'Man'.

The hats worn by singers of the time were considered 'costume pieces' and a comment against the practice.

So, what I witnessed and lived was pretty well contrary to what you propose. I honestly believe Lucas/Spielberg were wanting to return to what they considered a earlier and 'calmer' time where black and white were considered pretty well defined...and the fedora wearing adventurer was the icon of the old B films.

Regards! Michaelson

Happy day!!! An on topic debate inspired by a tongue in cheek post!

I hear you, Michaelson. Consider this though: you often hear Deborah Landis discribe the costume as "organic". While Indy's hat starts off as new and fairly thirties authentic, by the time we arrive at the beloved SoC hat, it has devolved into something akin to the floppy felts seen all over scenes like the one depicted in the Woodstock picture. So, while I believe you are correct that the hat was intended to be a throwback and that that was the more conscious thought, less consciously they were influenced by the counter culture. Otherwise, why not get Indy back into a more "fedora" looking fedora during the SoC, etc...? Not to mention that, while there were wider brimmed hats, certainly, the brims of the thirties were typically more narrow. Mind the "typically" before everyone starts posting pics of wide brimmed hats from the thirties. Look at Bogart, Cagney, the Cary Grant "screwball comedies"... all more indicative of the hats worn in that time. I really feel the Raiders hat is the "Big Three " and Landis' idea of what a thirties hat looks like as seen through the prism of ideas formed in the late sixties and early seventies. They may honestly BELIEVE ( at the time ) the hat looks authentic thirties, but it's skewed by views formed during more impressionable times.
I mean, just look at the haircuts - not especially thirties. But it'd be hard for "hip" audiences to accept the more rigid fashions of the thirties. And the early eighties ( I'm talking early ... '80, early 81) wasn't that far removed from the counterculture. In fact, after the "disco crisis", I think that's when a lot of the tennants of the counterculture finally became more commonly accepted. Most people think of Wall Street and Reagan when they think of the eighties, but there was that last gasp in the earliest part of the decade...

kiltie wrote:Ulloa -

It's a reference to "self medicating"*....

I'm glad someone got the reference!

Ok, gotcha. Self medicating...very tactful.

Dave

Well, about the only item of gear that has always absolutely screamed '70's to me have been the trousers, especially the wide belt loops for the wider belts we wore back 'in the day'.

Regards !Michaelson