It's only bubbles, don't be fooled.

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It's only bubbles, don't be fooled.

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I think I found what is the notorious effect on the film jacket

Read what I found in a leather specialist's glossary
Double Hiding - Naturally occurring phenomenon in lambskins relating to the separation of the layers of the skin, with the formation of air pockets between the layers of skin.
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Look at the photo above. The 'things' in the film jacket always looked like bubbles to me.
The white piece of leather is a completely different thing.

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I say this has been covered before
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RCSignals wrote:I say this has been covered before
Yes but with inaccurate info;) :D
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Dutch_jones wrote:
RCSignals wrote:I say this has been covered before
Yes but with inaccurate info;) :D
Glad you put the ;) in there Dutch, because otherwise I'd think you were having a shot at someone again!

May I ask what makes this accurate info and something else not? Is PLATON's peer reviewed or something? :lol:
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Dutch_jones wrote:
RCSignals wrote:I say this has been covered before
Yes but with inaccurate info;) :D
Please do explain. Enlighten us all.
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Platon, can you give a source on this and a photo or something? The quote is pretty vague.

Just not sure where you're coming from with this. If one looks like bubbles you'd have to say the other does. Lighting / dust / distressing / colour / age / tanning technique will all affect the look too.
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What is interesting to me about the examples in the above Raiders jacket shot is the parallel, single-file alignment of the "bubbles" and that each line's seem quite consistent in both their long-oval shape and angle, particularly near the collar. The overall regularity of the pattern is what I imagine I might see as a consequence of something being over-stretched in a certain direction. The examples on the white hide are more clustered and less regular in their shape and alignment, which to me does not convey any obvious line of pull.
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Satipo, I can tell there's a 6 hour difference between you and me. It's just now a little after 8 a.m., and I'm just this minute sipping on my first cup of coffee and trying to focus my eyes on this PC screen....and have to say that your last post was so well thought out and constructed, it made absolutely NO sense to me what so ever in my bleary state of mind.
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DARN your 6 hour head start!!! #-o

I'll come back in a couple hours when my head has cleared and read it again. I'm sure it will make PERFECT sense by then. :lol:

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Satipo wrote:What is interesting to me about the examples in the above Raiders jacket shot is the parallel, single-file alignment of the "bubbles" and that each line's seem quite consistent in both their long-oval shape and angle, particularly near the collar. The overall regularity of the pattern is what I imagine I might see as a consequence of something being over-stretched in a certain direction. The examples on the white hide are more clustered and less regular in their shape and alignment, which to me does not convey any obvious line of pull.
You're right. The bubbles are in a set pattern. They do indicate a organic source. My old flaying theory is wrong by the way, I've learn't.
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I agree, Sapito. On the bottom jacket, you can see how those could be pull marks due to the directional pattern. The marks on the white jacket don't display this feature.
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PLATON wrote:I think I found what is the notorious effect on the film jacket

Read what I found in a leather specialist's glossary
Double Hiding - Naturally occurring phenomenon in lambskins relating to the separation of the layers of the skin, with the formation of air pockets between the layers of skin.
Image

Look at the photo above. The 'things' in the film jacket always looked like bubbles to me.
The white piece of leather is a completely different thing.

What do you say
Here is another for you

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Don't forget, no two hides will be exactly the same and the effect of the enzyme treatment will vary hide to hide.
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Michaelson wrote:Satipo, I can tell there's a 6 hour difference between you and me. It's just now a little after 8 a.m., and I'm just this minute sipping on my first cup of coffee and trying to focus my eyes on this PC screen....and have to say that your last post was so well thought out and constructed, it made absolutely NO sense to me what so ever in my bleary state of mind.
:-k
DARN your 6 hour head start!!! #-o

I'll come back in a couple hours when my head has cleared and read it again. I'm sure it will make PERFECT sense by then. :lol:

;)

HIGH regards! Michaelson
Thank you, my friend ... I, er, think :-k ;)

Yes, reading it again, it does seem like a lot to take in first thing in the morning! I hope you have better luck with it second time around, but for your sanity's sake, my advice would be to stay well away!

And trust me when I say, I need that kind of a head start. :lol:
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I have new, independent information.
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It's late, I will post it tomorrow.
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