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K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:42 am
by Mac
Recently, I was generating some frame captures from an HD broadcast of Raiders (recorded a few years back; with some difficulty I transferred it from the DVR to my hard drive) and I came across the flying wing scene. The K-box stitch was plainly evident, to me at least. Because this was from an HD broadcast and highly compressed, I don’t expect that this is anywhere near Blu-ray quality, but it is a bit better than DVD.

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This was the best image I’ve seen of the stitching prior:

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- Mac

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:44 am
by McFly
I think that's it! :tup:

Shane

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:02 am
by Yojimbo Jones
Awesome work again, Mac. You are a MACHINE! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I always thought this shot looked that way. In your face, K-Box doubters!

(j/k!) ;)

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:00 am
by Zendragon
Did people think that X-box stitching was more accurate? Sorry I don't recall. It always seemed like the X was too long based on the screen shots I had seen

I will mention that both my Wested's have the X-Box stiching while my G&B has neither

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:12 am
by Satipo
I remember this shot was presented in a previous thread. The problem with it is where the strap folds, as it may or may not obscure the other half of an X-box stitch, but I think the general consensus was that it was most likely a K and that does seem much clearer to me in your HD shot.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:20 am
by Holt
Zendragon wrote:Did people think that X-box stitching was more accurate? Sorry I don't recall. It always seemed like the X was too long based on the screen shots I had seen

I will mention that both my Wested's have the X-Box stiching while my G&B has neither
I have done some work on this. you can see it in this thread.

it is far from proof, but it is something that catches my eye.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=36200&hilit=box

X-box? maby, maby not. but I leen towards the X

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Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:52 am
by PLATON
I am of the opinion that there is an X-box stitch (which is the only logical stitch in the whole world - other jackets have it too, plus all similar stitches everywhere are X-box) but in the shot of the wing only HALF of it is visible.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:54 am
by Holt
PLATON wrote: but in the shot of the wing only HALF of it is visible.
yes your right on that. but....... you can actually see the vertical stich that makes the box a half box.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:54 pm
by gwyddion
Holt, as was said before in your thread: maybe some jackets did have the x-box stitching. Maybe that was one of the differing details between the jackets.

Regards, geert

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:34 pm
by Holt
yep. no argument from me there. maby there was, maby there wasnt?

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:38 pm
by agent5
Mac,
Can you get a shot of the cap a few frames after this one where Indy has his arm up pointing?
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Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:42 pm
by RCSignals
Satipo wrote:I remember this shot was presented in a previous thread. The problem with it is where the strap folds, as it may or may not obscure the other half of an X-box stitch, but I think the general consensus was that it was most likely a K and that does seem much clearer to me in your HD shot.

Look at Mac's photos closely. Yes the strap folds, but the fold is clearly forward of the box. It is a "K" filling the box in those photos.
Those HD photos do 'clear' things up.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:07 pm
by Satipo
RCSignals wrote:Look at Mac's photos closely.
Thanks for the advice! :lol:

Now I'm in the same room as my 'puter, is it just me or do the diagonal lines of the K appear to curve away from each other rather than converge?

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:20 pm
by Hatch
Careful Satipo, you'll get a 'curved K ' flame war started....... :roll: :lol:

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:25 pm
by Satipo
Hatch wrote:Careful Satipo, you'll get a 'curved K ' flame war started....... :roll: :lol:
:lol: It's time we had a controversial new theory here, don't you think?

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:27 pm
by RCSignals
Satipo wrote:
RCSignals wrote:Look at Mac's photos closely.
Thanks for the advice! :lol:

Now I'm in the same room as my 'puter, is it just me or do the diagonal lines of the K appear to curve away from each other rather than converge?
It might be just you :lol:

The lines of the 'V' part of the K might not be exactly straight stitching, it's hard to tell really, but I do think they converge at a common point.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:21 pm
by Mac
agent5 wrote:Can you get a shot of the cap a few frames after this one where Indy has his arm up pointing?
A5, Indy's in motion and its a little blurred; this was the best frame showing the strap:

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- Mac

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:26 pm
by VP
agent5 wrote:Can you get a shot of the cap a few frames after this one where Indy has his arm up pointing?
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Mine:
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Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:06 pm
by Yojimbo Jones
Mac, could you do Holt's "X" shot?

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:32 pm
by Mac
Yojimbo Jones wrote:Mac, could you do Holt's "X" shot?
I checked that shot, but I can only make out a big blur - probably due to the compression used. Maybe VP's copy is better for that shot?

- Mac

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:37 am
by franky jones
looks like a K sticth to me on this paricular jacket NICE work on finding a clear enough pic.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:01 am
by VP
I don't recognize Holt's scene, where exactly is this frame located?

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:00 am
by Holt
scene: nobody has come out of there alive... pleeeaaase

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:08 am
by VP
Nope, not enough detail. We need a scene where the jacket isn't moving.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:19 am
by CM
All I can see in that HD shot is what bad quality the jacket is. Poor leather, badly cut, lots of wear showing how thin the leather is.

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:05 am
by VP
And it looks so good we all want one. 8)

Re: K-Box Sighting in HD

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:56 pm
by RCSignals
CM wrote:All I can see in that HD shot is what bad quality the jacket is. Poor leather, badly cut, lots of wear showing how thin the leather is.
Isn't that true! Who'd want one of those? :lol: