Club Obi Wan

Hello,

I need an advice:

Where can I find a nice LC jacket? "But not THAT distress"

(Picture from theraider.net)


The wested novapelle could do the job but doesn't seem to be available anymore...
Does the wested "autentic lamb LC/CS" look as good as its picture?


Any other idea?


Regards,

Nico

Wested still offers Novapelle for its LC jackets. You have to order it custom, though.

SD

the wested LC jacket in lamb looks like this new....with water treatment only

Indiana Citroen wrote:the wested LC jacket in lamb looks like this new....with water treatment only

Is this the new "off the rack" version, or custom made?

Gooch.

off the rack

Go Magnoli. I know Holt had one and raved about it. Check the threads, it should be there.

if you want the best, Han Jones' TN LC is the benchmark.

but the TN LC is still unacurrate like many of the other choices, the specs are fan based. The cut of the jacket is close though...but in lack of some important specs to make it SA.

Indiana Holt wrote:but the TN LC is still unacurrate like many of the other choices, the specs are fan based. The cut of the jacket is close though...but in lack of some important specs to make it SA.

I completely agree. I'm still unsure as to why so many think that Han Jones' TN LC looks so good. Don't get me wrong, it's a great looking jacket in general, but as for SA, it is lacking in that department.

Kyle

Look at the options and then choose for yourself - everyone here will tell you something different about each jacket manufacturer. The great thing is you have lots of choices.

Well what about this new TN LC. CS leather a few changes because I don't like having two the same. Always seems that the ones who make the most noise about something being SA never bring anything to the table other than criticism. Just an observation.

I love Hans Jacket....I really do....but I like the real distressing....but then again this post isn't about that is it

Very nice Han

Is the new one CS cow? What is the pocket size?

Han Jones wrote:


Well what about this new TN LC. CS leather a few changes because I don't like having two the same. Always seems that the ones who make the most noise about something being SA never bring anything to the table other than criticism. Just an observation.

Try looking at my Wested ToD from a couple months ago before you go making "observations.?"

Kyle

Oh and Han, btw, I think your newest TN LC is how it SHOULD look MUCH MUCH better IMO

Kyle

i was waiting for you to post that han.......like i said before, i didn't know how you could improve from your first go.....BUT YOU DID!!!

cheers,


G

RCSignals wrote:Very nice Han

Is the new one CS cow? What is the pocket size?

Yes it is CS cow pockets 7 3/4 by 6 3/4

Knibs, you ToD is distress is great I did see it a few months back, didn't you sell that?

I do get a chip on my shoulder when it comes to these jackets, I brought TN's first goat, ToD, and LC. Most of the feedback has been great but as I said some like to comment and never show anything. I have always been a put up or shut up kinda guy, guess the internets are not best place for that.

That new TN LC is superb, Han.

How deep is the flap from piping to point?

3 3/4 to center 2 5/8 sides. I am waiting on a few peices of new LC in order to properly display this jacket. I am waiting on a new whip. When I get the photos up I will answer all questions there, I don't want to hijack this thread. Thank you

Come on guys, we're not the one's making the jackets, we're just the guy's buying them.

One-upmanship over who has what is like being worried about the color of the neighbor's car. I haven't seen a "bad" Indy jacket other than a few of those wack brands that show up from time to time.

Though I do agree that some people do talk about jackets a bit like they made them themselves, I don't think it's far removed from talking about your OWN new car or whatever. Except in these cases, the pride is in making a good purchase / customisation choices, which I think is of more merit than "Lookie, I paired Dusk Blue paint with a Dirt Brown upholstery and 19" rims!"

It sort of comes with the territory - what's the point of talking about jackets unless we can see some sort of closure with "purchasing well"?

BTW nice work on your part, Han!

If you're really after an LC, take good notice of Han's TN pockets compared to what Wested usually offers.

Indiana Citroen wrote: I love Hans Jacket....I really do....but I like the real distressing....but then again this post isn't about that is it

Well the way I see it, if you want a true LC jacket, then you should be getting one that doesn't have "real distressing", considering that the actual LC jackets were probably distressed in ways similar (if not identical) to what Nowak or Wested would do.

As a LC-jacket man myself, I would have to say that I would personally go with a Nowak, since much of what people like about the LC jacket (or the Indy jacket in general for that matter) differs from individual to individual, since the jackets were arguably different from scene to scene. The reason why I'd back Nowak is because A) he's more than willing to build a jacket just the way you like, just ask DAVIDUGLY! This is important since we all have differing views on what our LC jacket should look like, and B) the way he distresses his jackets, like I mentioned above, is not in the style of what movie studios do to their jackets... It IS what movie studios GET for their jackets. But if you prefer to distress your jacket yourself, this point would be moot. Of course, the downside here would be that Nowak is working off fan input, as well as possibly the Smithsonian "Kurtz" jacket, which I believe someone mentioned to be a rejected 'sample' jacket by Coopers.

However, I also would say that Wested's novapelle (if they have it in a darker shade) would be a pretty good candidate as well, because the heritage is arguably there, and the way the leather drapes is a nice middle-ground between lamb and cow. It also ages well, meaning that it doesn't stay looking brand new forever, the way some leathers tend to do. But unlike Nowak's jackets, Wested jackets generally are Wested's own interpretation of the LC jacket, and not necessarily your own. From what I've read and experienced, it generally is an uphill battle to get Wested to change their design to what you want, and even then it's a crapshot.

Castor Dioscuri wrote:......... Of course, the downside here would be that Nowak is working off fan input, as well as possibly the Smithsonian "Kurtz" jacket, which I believe someone mentioned to be a rejected 'sample' jacket by Coopers.

......

The whole thing with the 'Kurtz' jacket gets confusing, but it isn't the Smithsonian jacket. TN isn't working from the 'Kurtz' jacket with this LC, as he's already dismissed it as well, that is unless aspects of the 'Kurtz' jacket are what someone asks for.

Han, may I ask you how your arrived at these new pocket sizes - they look brilliant. The collar is very nice too.

Castor Dioscuri wrote:

Indiana Citroen wrote: I love Hans Jacket....I really do....but I like the real distressing....but then again this post isn't about that is it

Well the way I see it, if you want a true LC jacket, then you should be getting one that doesn't have "real distressing", considering that the actual LC jackets were probably distressed in ways similar (if not identical) to what Nowak or Wested would do.

As a LC-jacket man myself, I would have to say that I would personally go with a Nowak, since much of what people like about the LC jacket (or the Indy jacket in general for that matter) differs from individual to individual, since the jackets were arguably different from scene to scene. The reason why I'd back Nowak is because A) he's more than willing to build a jacket just the way you like, just ask DAVIDUGLY! This is important since we all have differing views on what our LC jacket should look like, and B) the way he distresses his jackets, like I mentioned above, is not in the style of what movie studios do to their jackets... It IS what movie studios GET for their jackets. But if you prefer to distress your jacket yourself, this point would be moot. Of course, the downside here would be that Nowak is working off fan input, as well as possibly the Smithsonian "Kurtz" jacket, which I believe someone mentioned to be a rejected 'sample' jacket by Coopers.

However, I also would say that Wested's novapelle (if they have it in a darker shade) would be a pretty good candidate as well, because the heritage is arguably there, and the way the leather drapes is a nice middle-ground between lamb and cow. It also ages well, meaning that it doesn't stay looking brand new forever, the way some leathers tend to do. But unlike Nowak's jackets, Wested jackets generally are Wested's own interpretation of the LC jacket, and not necessarily your own. From what I've read and experienced, it generally is an uphill battle to get Wested to change their design to what you want, and even then it's a crapshot.

mmmmmmmmmmm thats a bit one sided me thinks.

Ever heard of the wirebrush and pocketknife story.

Look I think Tonys jackets look FAB!, but colouring the jacket just ain't the same in my eye. They are BRAND NEW....coloured not aged.

Indiana Citroen wrote:

mmmmmmmmmmm thats a bit one sided me thinks.

Ever heard of the wirebrush and pocketknife story.

Look I think Tonys jackets look FAB!, but colouring the jacket just ain't the same in my eye. They are BRAND NEW....coloured not aged.

You are mixing Raiders movie distressing with LC movie distressing?

I'm not sure where the 'colouring' comes in either.

With the LC jacket that specific distressing is a big part of that jackets look.

Indiana Citroen wrote:

Castor Dioscuri wrote:

Indiana Citroen wrote: I love Hans Jacket....I really do....but I like the real distressing....but then again this post isn't about that is it

Well the way I see it, if you want a true LC jacket, then you should be getting one that doesn't have "real distressing", considering that the actual LC jackets were probably distressed in ways similar (if not identical) to what Nowak or Wested would do.

As a LC-jacket man myself, I would have to say that I would personally go with a Nowak, since much of what people like about the LC jacket (or the Indy jacket in general for that matter) differs from individual to individual, since the jackets were arguably different from scene to scene. The reason why I'd back Nowak is because A) he's more than willing to build a jacket just the way you like, just ask DAVIDUGLY! This is important since we all have differing views on what our LC jacket should look like, and B) the way he distresses his jackets, like I mentioned above, is not in the style of what movie studios do to their jackets... It IS what movie studios GET for their jackets. But if you prefer to distress your jacket yourself, this point would be moot. Of course, the downside here would be that Nowak is working off fan input, as well as possibly the Smithsonian "Kurtz" jacket, which I believe someone mentioned to be a rejected 'sample' jacket by Coopers.

However, I also would say that Wested's novapelle (if they have it in a darker shade) would be a pretty good candidate as well, because the heritage is arguably there, and the way the leather drapes is a nice middle-ground between lamb and cow. It also ages well, meaning that it doesn't stay looking brand new forever, the way some leathers tend to do. But unlike Nowak's jackets, Wested jackets generally are Wested's own interpretation of the LC jacket, and not necessarily your own. From what I've read and experienced, it generally is an uphill battle to get Wested to change their design to what you want, and even then it's a crapshot.

mmmmmmmmmmm thats a bit one sided me thinks.

Ever heard of the wirebrush and pocketknife story.

Look I think Tonys jackets look FAB!, but colouring the jacket just ain't the same in my eye. They are BRAND NEW....coloured not aged.

You really think so? Well, if you found my views one sided, I apologize, but maybe you only read half of what I wrote...

I examined the positives and negatives of both Nowak and Wested in what I thought were the most important parts of making a LC jacket- accuracy and heritage. Sorry if you missed the negatives of the Nowak or the positives of Wested, but if you read it again, they are there.

Yes, I have heard the wirebrush and pocketbrush story. But does Wested offer this service? As I wrote earlier, Tony offers the opportunity to get a jacket distressed the way he does it for jackets used in movies. To my knowledge, Wested does not anymore. And I am sure most of us are not exactly experts at working with leather, and are more likely to do damage to our jackets with a wirebrush and pocketbrush than to actually achieve accurate, movie-studio style distressing.

And I never did mention anything about the colors of Nowaks leathers...

If you want to get defensive about defending one vendor over another, at least make sure I'm not attacking only one vendor over another. I essentially said that I liked both vendors, and listed reasons why I liked each, and why a person who values personal-opinion-of-accuracy and/or heritage would choose one over the other.

I have to say, I own a Wested LC/KOTCS Lamb-I think it is wonderful......

Yes it is as good as the picture, but definitely the specs are not quite bang on-though everything except slightly large collars seems to be in order-I certainly think it is more KOTCS than LC, people state the pattern is the same, however I dont agree-they do look different-regardless of the weathering difference.

And to cap it off the plaque with it states-'Constructed from the original designs for Mr Harrison Ford's jacket from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'-oh well...........

I have a LC Wested jacket, and it really does hold a special place in my closet, especially being my first piece of gear (outside Disneyworld!). I do agree that the patterns between the KotCS jacket and the LC jacket are different, and I'm sure that most of us that refer to them as being "the same" only mean it in the same vein as the two being blood relatives... The same way someone might remark that you have the exact same eyes as your father, for example.

With regards to the "plaque"/CoA that you mention, I'd like to think that Wested's jackets do have the "original designs" deep within their very construction, except that over years of fan input and subtle 'improvements', their original designs were buried over in layers of changes. That is not to say they are not the original designs, only that they have become evolved descendants of the original designs.

(And no, this is not a dig in any way, shape, or form at Wested.)

This would also explain why their LC design has become more KotCS than LC, as though the original design is still there, it has evolved into what you see now.

"designs"? I thought they used to say "patterns"? Or am I misremembering?

no your not, they changed it...

Indiana Holt wrote:no your not, they changed it...

Does this mean my old 'Cert. of Authenticity' is not , well.......'authentic' ???

Thank you Castor


Sorry, yes I meant to say certificate of authenticity-I just wrote plaque.... I understand exactly what you mean about blood relatives-just when I bough mine from the venerable Peter Botwright, it said Last Crusade/ KotCS Lamb-almost too much of a merge-though who here agrees KotCS would have been nicer with a Lamb?...........

Anytime doc! And in my opinion, I'd have loved to see what KotCS would have looked like had they decided to go with lamb instead of cow, especially since up to that point, all my Indy jackets were made from lamb!

I'm not sure if it would have been nicer though as the cowhide KotCS looks has really grown on me, but I would still have loved to see lamb nevertheless!

I do feel at times the LC jacket-especially in the top photo has a rather Cowhide look-no doubt owing to the unwashed look of it, and the real distressing seen on the particular jacket-lots of detail on all edges.......
I completely agree with you Castor A nice look the KotCS jacket possess. I just think that the gear in KotCS, although a great mix (and a lovely mixture of styles for the hat) looks a bit precious-no doubt owing to the abundance of each piece-A dirty hat one minute, completely clean the next! Similarly the jacket, but that's just my cents worth......