Tony Nowak leather offerings

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:15 pm

Since his website isn't set up to keep track of them, I'm getting confused as to all the leather choices we have with Tony (as I know I'll break at some point and get another one--either an LC or a ToD).

Here's what I know so far:

Shrunken lamb (with different variations therein)-$975
Matte lamb
Holy Goat
747 Cowhide-$750
Crystal Skull Cowhide (different colors available)
Raiders cowhide-$750
Italian cowhide (Han Jones LC)-$975

That should get us started. Those with more knowledge than me can add leathers and prices. I left off the goat for Han's ToD and Raider S' jackets since that was a one time hide.

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:52 pm

If I am not mistaken, Indy G's Raiders (his second one) is made with the same cowhide as the Crystal Skull jacket.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:55 pm

holy goat?

LOL! what the ...... is that

?

maybe its a good idea to put pictures of EVERY leather he offers with the name?

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:04 pm

Raskolnikov wrote:If I am not mistaken, Indy G's Raiders (his second one) is made with the same cowhide as the Crystal Skull jacket.

I don't think so. If it is, it's a much darker batch. But I seem to recall that it was a different hide.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:11 pm

Maybe this post from the other thread will help

neutronbomb wrote:Sorry for the kiss and tell, but............

This leather is something Tony created exclusively for Whiskeyman. As such the name of the leather is the '747'. It is very, very strong and very light. It does have a light finish, but Tony said it is also a slightly distressed leather and in his personal opinion the very best option if you don't want the shrunken lamb. As far as lightweight, drape, strength, drag under a truck, patina, wrinkles, etc, this is what he recommends. Of course, Tony doesn't recommend artificial distressing or washing or showering the jacket. He believes that life is the best way to break in the jacket and the finish that is on the jacket shouldn't inhibit this. The leather is a cousin of this which Tony also created:

But tweaked for color and to meet Whiskeyman's specs. I suspect Whiskeyman has spent a long time. Years in fact coming up with the type of hide he wants in a real life Indy Jacket and his new jacket is Tony's creation of his interpretation of what was in Whiskeyman's minds eye. The way the wrinkles and patina of the cowhide look reminds me a bit of the wrinkly look of the original shrunken lamb. Totally different process and totally different leather and look, but the idea is great as it is the tight little wrinkled sections that give off the textures ROTLA jacket vibe and moves away from the smooth grain leathers look. So if you like the tight little wrinkled sections, but want something light and strong, then this is a good choice.

This leather is now available and Tony has it nailed down. He wanted to wait until Whiskeyman got his jacket before posting, but now it's ok to let everyone know this leather is available and it's $750.00 for a jacket made in it. Whiskyman's jacket is a ROTLA jacket, but of course Tony can do any of the styles of jacket, CS, etc. in it.

Whiskeyman is owed a big thank you for helping come up with and get this leather developed. Thanks Whiskeyman!!

I've said before I'm not a go between and I don't represent Tony. I consider him a friend and agreed to do a quick post from him regarding this specific post.

Regarding Rask's jacket. The shipment of this Super Strong goat is set to arrive any day. This goat is special and from a special place. Nothing like it anywhere. It is $975 a jacket made out of this goat skin. I personally believe this is it for the toughest bad boy Indy jacket on the planet. Texture, everything. What makes it different than the cowhide. Well the 747 cowhide is super light and wrinkled. It's going to drape differently. The goat is just different. So it's really just up to your personal preference. Tony has created this goat and it has texture and everything, but the secret is the type of goat skins he uses. If I wasn't getting my own special shrunken lamb jacket, this is the one I'd go for. Not telling anyone what to do, just talking out loud.

Anyway, the name of the new goat is the 'Holy Goat'.

So now there are two types of new skins available for jackets.

1. The '747' cowhide - $750.00
2. The 'Holy Goat' - $975.00

And lastly, only because Tony asked me to specifically:

"We're just warming up my friends. Thank you kindly for your support. Best Regards, Tony Nowak"

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:13 pm

crismans wrote:
Raskolnikov wrote:If I am not mistaken, Indy G's Raiders (his second one) is made with the same cowhide as the Crystal Skull jacket.
I don't think so. If it is, it's a much darker batch. But I seem to recall that it was a different hide.

Well, this is what G said in a post in the TN jacket owners thread:

Indiana G wrote:kryptonian, your jacket looks about as dark as my indy 1 in CS hide, and i was assured by tony that this was the darkest in his stock.

i think the dark jackets in the production are from something else......i wish we could find what that something else is.......

So his cowhide TN 1 is made of the CS leather.

Regards, Geert

CairoIndy · Post by **CairoIndy** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:14 pm

Dutch_jones wrote:holy goat? LOL! what the ...... is that ?

The Goat of Christmas past?

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:15 pm

I am to lazy to check it now. But I think that G said he asked Tony to make him a Raiders jacket with the same leather as the CS...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:15 pm

crismans wrote:
Raskolnikov wrote:If I am not mistaken, Indy G's Raiders (his second one) is made with the same cowhide as the Crystal Skull jacket.
I don't think so. If it is, it's a much darker batch. But I seem to recall that it was a different hide.

I thought it was the same as well, but he asked for a darker shade.
It's in his thread if I can find it.

Also there was a post from the fall in which b(r)ink (I think it was him) posted TN jackets laid out and described some different hides, and there were two versions of CS cowhide.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:19 pm

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neutronbomb wrote:Sorry for the kiss and tell, but............

This leather is something Tony created exclusively for Whiskeyman. As such the name of the leather is the '747'. It is very, very strong and very light. It does have a light finish, but Tony said it is also a slightly distressed leather and in his personal opinion the very best option if you don't want the shrunken lamb. As far as lightweight, drape, strength, drag under a truck, patina, wrinkles, etc, this is what he recommends. Of course, Tony doesn't recommend artificial distressing or washing or showering the jacket. He believes that life is the best way to break in the jacket and the finish that is on the jacket shouldn't inhibit this. The leather is a cousin of this which Tony also created...

That cousin leather reminds me of another movie jacket that has not yet been released...is it, NB?

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:23 pm

I still don't understand why the Holy Goat is so expensive...usually goat skins are cheaper than cow, lamb or horse.....maybe due to the expense of trying to obtain it?

I think the 747 Cow should be renamed the "Holy Cow"......just sounds better.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:29 pm

I believe I'm one of the first scheduled for a new goat jacket when it comes in (suprise, suprise) but have not heard anything about the additional cost. While I did speak with Mr. Nowak recently, it was mostly banter about politics and world events with the new goat only mentioned in passing. I wanted a thinner/summer weight jacket than my one-of-a-kind goat Raiders, but Tony insisted I should get the heavy goat because it's so #### good he's making one for himself.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:35 pm

gwyddion wrote:Well, this is what G said in a post in the TN jacket owners thread:

Indiana G wrote:kryptonian, your jacket looks about as dark as my indy 1 in CS hide, and i was assured by tony that this was the darkest in his stock.

i think the dark jackets in the production are from something else......i wish we could find what that something else is.......
So his cowhide TN 1 is made of the CS leather.

Regards, Geert

That's what I get for being haughty!

So CS cow it is, but there are a variety of colors.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:44 pm

crismans wrote:
So CS cow it is, but there are a variety of colors.

Yes, just look at the rack of 30 on the DVD!

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:49 pm

neutronbomb wrote:That's right Baldwyn! But I have to be . Movies do not like this stuff discussed or outed or non-authorized pictures of the wardrobe posted etc. before it has been released. So Tony asked that I not discuss it or name it or show pictures of the full jacket or anything like that until after the movie is released. All he allowed me to post was a super close up of the leather. I had a few comparison photos of it in my photobucket from a month or so ago. But, it is really irrelevant because Whiskeyman's stands on its own regarding color, etc.

However, it is a leather Tony has in his shop and jackets can be made out of it. I believe Orb got a Mutt jacket made out of it and posted it in the TN jacket owners thread.

Not Orb, and it was me who posted the jacket after stumbling on it. That leather rocks, I wish I had gone with a suggestion made to me to go for a CS in that leather.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:16 pm

It's like I'm a dream that floats in and out of your consciousness.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:48 pm

Ahh, here it is! The original Nowak Leather thread.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35829&p=508543&hili ... er#p508543

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:12 pm

neutronbomb wrote:Sorry PBSIndy This is all I know:

neutronbomb wrote:Name comes from the 'Holy Land'. It is the 'Holy Grail' of goat. One place, one breed of goat, one special tannery, etc. Took all of TN's connections, expertise, years of experience to track it down and get it done. It is not very simple really to get exactly what you need, want from a tannery especially when it is unique and requires tanning that is not the industry standard of the day. If you do find the tannery is actually creating skins you want and or need, then sometimes it is difficult to get them to give them to you also. There are politics, red tape, and cultural barriers in the leather industry too apparently. Sometimes Tony has to get on a plane and fly out to get it done. Often his reputation tips the scales. Great effort was put forth by Tony to get Whiskeyman what he wanted. Also, in getting the holy grail of goat jackets.

There are tons of pictures in the TN jacket owners thread that show off the different types of leathers. As of right now, there is no 'original shrunken lamb'.
I don't think this is cheap stuff that's gone partially bad and smells rotten. Most goat gets sourced from Asia and often there are issues with it. This new goat from Tony does not. It is sourced from the Holy land. I suspect it's the high price of sourcing this leather. But, I don't really know, I'm just a guesser here. I will tell you that 500 sq feet of my leather sourced from the tannery I'm getting practically knocked me out of my chair. Only one place in the world even has a chance of getting it right so .........

So the bottom line I think is quality costs. That's my theory anyway.

Darn, I was hoping the Holy Goat got its name (and price tag) because it came from the Vatican and was blessed by the Pope himself!

orb · Post by **orb** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:35 am

The leather of Han Jones LC Jacket is an Italian Cowhide. (975USD)
Tony also calls it that way!

Regards

orb

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:07 am

Neutron, do you happen to have close up of the holy goat similar to the shot of 747 cow to compare the texture, grain...Thanks

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:59 am

Any clues on how the holy goat distresses, btw?

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:29 pm

That grain looks good.........I think Indy G is making a pilgrimage to TN this week so hopefully he will have a report on return...

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:39 pm

Hatch wrote:That grain looks good.........I think Indy G is making a pilgrimage to TN this week so hopefully he will have a report on return...

i'm leaving tomorrow.........gonna get me a TN1 in that WHITE shrunken lamb.....i've made a white fedora to go with it. i'm hoping to be one of the back-up dancers on the next kanye west video........

just kidding........i'll pick the hide i want when i get there

i got some tweaks i want on the jacket as well.

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:46 pm

G, please give us a full report on the new leathers, grains, weights, draping etc ....and how they measure up to the 'gold standard' shrunken lamb

PSBIndy · Post by **PSBIndy** » Tue May 05, 2009 3:47 pm

G, don't you already have a TN Raiders? You guys needs to slow down.....my wallet can't keep up with you!

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Tue May 05, 2009 3:54 pm

PSBIndy wrote:G, don't you already have a TN Raiders? You guys needs to slow down.....my wallet can't keep up with you!

not in goat

i've got plenty of money.........i raided bink's wallet collection

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:09 pm

Neutronbomb wrote:Rask has only had his jacket a month an a half so I don't know if it has distressed much since then. We'll need Rask's input on this. However, If G&B expedition goats are any indication they can look like new for years.

Not much distressed yet (just some few and very light marks on the pockets caused by the seat-belt of my car) but much, much, more soft and wrinkled. The leather behaves beautifully and, somehow, it looks like an older jacket.
I'll take more pictures tomorrow, an some close-ups for you, Hatch.
Regards,
Rask

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:26 pm

Rask, this seems to be one of the key points to a TN jacket .....they look 'old' almost from the start and just take on more character with wear.....

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:53 pm

Wasn't there a goatskin option that was $750? Or is that one no more?

~Jace

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed May 06, 2009 5:01 am

With the exception of the croco hide every other leather offered by TN looks amazing.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Wed May 06, 2009 5:10 am

PLATON wrote:With the exception of the croco hide every other leather offered by TN looks amazing.

Both of these look amasing

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/p ... CN0463.jpg

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:17 am

PLATON wrote:With the exception of the croco hide every other leather offered by TN looks amazing.

And yet the owners seem completely satisfied ....funny about that and how some people look at things.......

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:17 pm

Actually, I've heard Tony is getting requests for jackets in shrunken lamb that look like the first couple seen here. So that is still an option and not at all "phased out". People want what they want and Tony works hard to give people what they want. It's safe to say he still feels the first jackets he made most closely replicated what he based his jacket on.

gwyddion · Post by **gwyddion** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:32 pm

I must say that I realy like the diferent types of leather Tony has. My favorite? That's eazy: the shrunken lamb of the earlier jackets. I didn't actualy specify wanting to have this leather when ordering #79/888, but said I wanted what he thought replicated the look of the "jacket that matters" closest. Do I hope it is that type of shrunken lamb some call "dino hide" or "croc hide"? You bet I do! If it's not what I'll get I won't feel disapointed because I'll get what I asked for, but I just love the look of that leather.

If I was just a litle richer, or could manage my money a litle better, I would definately order more jackets in diferent leather types because IMO he just has a great selection of leather choices.

Regards, Geert

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:45 pm

OK. Here are the pictures I promised yesterday showing how my TN dark goat looks after one month and a half of wearing. I have taken some close-ups for Hatch, too. Those last ones are big pictures.

http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss28 ... 010412.jpg
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss28 ... 010414.jpg
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss28 ... 010422.jpg
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss28 ... 010421.jpg
http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss28 ... 010420.jpg

Regards,
Rask

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:58 pm

thanks Rask, that grain is really coming out even more......how is the drape and stiffness of the goat ?

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:07 pm

It is much smoother now. But goat is goat, I don't want to fool anyone. This hide is extremely tough and way much thicker than lamb. Yet, it drapes very, very well and, what's even cooler, it keeps wrinkled and rugged from the very first time.

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:09 pm

Raskolnikov wrote:OK. Here are the pictures I promised yesterday showing how my TN dark goat looks after one month and a half of wearing. I have taken some close-ups for Hatch, too. Those last ones are big pictures.

Regards,
Rask

I'm just glad the close-ups for Hatch were of the jacket. Hey, any spots that are worn past the top layer? I'd like to know what the colour is underneath.

whiskyman · Post by **whiskyman** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:14 pm

The 747 leather is simply fantastic. In terms of weight, it's not significantly heavier than the shrunken lamb. It's already softening and breaking in very well - already drapes better than my last wested "soft" goat. Not your typical heavy weight cowhide jacket at all. The pics I posted were taken about an hour after I unpacked it. it looks even better now it's wearing in. It's not really a distressed leather - but it looks like an old leather - if that makes any sense. Heaps of character, and a wonderful patina with terrific warm brown undertones. Very comfortable and also very rugged feeling. I am really enjoying wearing it!!
I promise to take some new pics as soon as I get time.

Tyrloch · Post by **Tyrloch** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:28 pm

Tyrloch wrote:Wasn't there a goatskin option that was $750? Or is that one no more?

~Jace

Since it seems I got overlooked with all the debating going on here, I'll ask once more: is there still a $750 goatskin option, or has it been replaced with the so-called "holy goat" leather?

~Jace

ichnob · Post by **ichnob** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:53 pm

I like the OP of this thread. I was searching for prices for a TN Raiders jacket, and saw that some of them were posted here. Looks like $750 is the lowest price for his jacket offerings, I take it.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:08 pm

Don't care a bit to update it. Is it $975 for the Holy Goat? And, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but, even though I own one, I can't remember the price for his CS jackets. If you have info on any other prices, post them here or pm me. I don't intend for this to be an ad, of course. I just was beginning to have trouble keeping up with everything as more choices have become available.

CM · Post by CM » Thu May 07, 2009 9:17 pm

That 747 cow looks amazing - is it lighter than the heavy goat Tony has?

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Sat May 09, 2009 7:38 pm

I think there might be some confusion over the name "Holy Goat". It's a pun of "Holy Grail" and not an indicator of where the leather itself originates. This leather is in fact from Italy.

The price of this goat is the same as the shrunken lamb.

I know someone has been asking about other goat that's less expensive and my understanding is you can still get that but should ask Mr. Nowak directly, of course.

bigrex · Post by **bigrex** » Sun May 10, 2009 3:17 am

Not to be particular (well maybe) I was thinking of something on the order of a lighter hued shrunken goat with toned down grain.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:08 pm

neutronbomb wrote:Name comes from the 'Holy Land'. It is the 'Holy Grail' of goat. One place, one breed of goat, one special tannery, etc. Took all of TN's connections, expertise, years of experience to track it down and get it done. It is not very simple really to get exactly what you need, want from a tannery especially when it is unique and requires tanning that is not the industry standard of the day. If you do find the tannery is actually creating skins you want and or need, then sometimes it is difficult to get them to give them to you also. There are politics, red tape, and cultural barriers in the leather industry too apparently. Sometimes Tony has to get on a plane and fly out to get it done. Often his reputation tips the scales. Great effort was put forth by Tony to get Whiskeyman what he wanted. Also, in getting the holy grail of goat jackets.

Raider S wrote:I think there might be some confusion over the name "Holy Goat". It's a pun of "Holy Grail" and not an indicator of where the leather itself originates. This leather is in fact from Italy.

Both of you guys seem pretty certain in your statements, and I hold both of you guys in high esteem. So I must ask: Which statement is correct?

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:18 pm

Castor, I spent a couple hours on the phone with Tony this weekend and he spoke at length about the certain part of Italy where he's sourcing this from and how much leathers vary from region to region there due to the tanning methods people have been using for hundreds of years. Same with some of these cowhides we are now seeing. He told me the name "Holy" was a take on the LC movie and this stuff is coming from Italy. I was curious as I spend a fair amount of time in the Middle East, and would have enjoyed the connection if it were in fact the origin.

Of course I must always give the discalimer for anyone to talk to Mr. Nowak directly before placing any gambling bets on anything!