Interesting info about how TN borrowed a Raiders Jacket

TheExit148 · Post by **TheExit148** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:39 am

I apologize now if this opens a can of worms/pours salt on old wounds, but I found these two articles regarding Tony making the INDY IV movie with some regards to the Raiders jacket. Doesn't say who gave him the Raiders jacket, but gives a little more insight to it. The weird part is that both articles state "Tony Novak", but I've seen that a lot on the net regarding his work. Both articles are big reads regarding KOTCS too, so check them out for that as well.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pb ... e=printart

Heres a quote from above article:

Pollack moved his search for the correct materials and builders from England to Germany to the United States. California leather clothier Tony Novak borrowed the original leather jacket from “Raiders of the Lost Ark” and produced a prototype overnight that Pollack, Spielberg and Ford approved of.

“We ended up playing around with the jacket,” Pollack says, “and finally got the right skin, the right dimensions, the right buckles.”

http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=190&itemid=13228

A quote from this article:

He also decided to make Indy’s jacket slightly bigger, in order to accommodate the padding Ford would need when doing his stunts. Using stills from the original films, he meticulously designed the instantly recognizable leather jacket, then searched for someone who could make it. That search spanned the U.S., the U.K. and Europe. Finally, costume supervisor Bob Morgan brought in a leather clothier named Tony Novak from El Segundo, Calif. Novak said he needed only a sample jacket to make a prototype overnight. But the Lucasfilm Archives, which had kept the original jacket safe for more than two decades, required tight security; Pollack had an assistant accompany the jacket to Novak’s offices.

“About nine o’clock that night, the jacket was back,” Pollack says. “And it was perfect. I couldn’t believe it. So, I asked him to make 30 of them! I love that guy.”

Take what you will from it, but it seems that Bernie had a lot to do with TN getting the Raiders jacket, and he arranged for him to get it to create his prototype. I know that people have said that he was given the LC jacket for his prototype, but maybe they gave him the Raiders jacket to work with.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:17 am

Tony had access to the Keppler Flightsuits prototype that also formed the basis of the LC jacket. The article's author made a mistake in referring to it as the Raiders jacket.

SD

Post by **Mike** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:19 am

I think its a case of the writer stating the facts wrong. Notice its not quoted. Most people tend to lump things into either "Raiders" or an all-serving "Indiana Jones".

It was an LC jacket Tony was given for the movie. The Raiders for his Indy1 came afterwards.

Dunross76 · Post by **Dunross76** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:42 am

Very interesting research on your part, but I asked Tony about it and he told me that the CS jacket was based on the Last Crusade jacket. He's pretty sure it wasn't Raiders jacket. He was given the Raiders jacket much later and after the movie was finished. Dunross

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:13 pm

And as Michaelsen would point out, it's pretty telling that they didn't check their facts considering that they already started out misspelling Tony Nowak's name...

Hatch · Post by **Hatch** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:24 pm

Man, you guys kill me .....you mean to tell me you actually don't think reporters/journalists don't check and double check every fact.......next you'll be telling me the media is biased...and have an agenda....

TheExit148 · Post by **TheExit148** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:31 pm

Yeah, the spelling of his name is the worst part. Makes it sound less credible. Still thought it was interesting to share. Who knows what they were thinking when they wrote the articles.

Heyjude7 · Post by **Heyjude7** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:38 pm

The spelling is wrong but the way you pronounce "Nowak" in english from Polish is "Novak"

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:33 pm

Hatch wrote:Man, you guys kill me .....you mean to tell me you actually don't think reporters/journalists don't check and double check every fact.......next you'll be telling me the media is biased...and have an agenda....

Hatch, old friend....here, have a seat. You're over stressed. Let me put this cold rag on your head.......

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:35 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:And as Michaelsen would point out, it's pretty telling that they didn't check their facts considering that they already started out misspelling Tony Nowak's name...

I would?

Oh, OH YEAH!...I would!

Regards! Michaelson

Baldwyn · Post by **Baldwyn** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:44 pm

I recall reading that Tony had already done the Mutt jacket for the production before he did the Indy proto, so he wasn't exactly brought in to do the Indy jacket, he was already there.

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:51 pm

That's the story I've heard as well. The Indy jacket was pretty much shoved in his hands when he was delivering the completed Mutt jacket, and was asked if he could do the job.

Regards! Michaelson

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:26 pm

This is what Tony told me as well. The way he described it, he brought in the Mutt jacket and Bernie was stressed because he couldn't find a vendor to deliver the Indy jacket he wanted. Tony looked at the jacket and told him he could do it and made the prototype overnight.

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:35 pm

I'm sure its been posted here before but does anyone know the details of how he got the job to make Mutt's jacket? I know he's made a lot of film jackets but was there a bid out for Mutt's like there was for Indy's?

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:42 pm

Talk to Tony and when he answers the phone you will hear "NoVak". That's how Tony pronounces it and whover was writing the article/story forgot Journalism 101 and asking someone to spell their name for the sake of accuracy.

Yes, Tony will say he was given the jacket unexpectedly and completed what he was asked to do in a very short time to come up with THE jacket.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:04 pm

Castor Dioscuri wrote:And as Michaelsen would point out

Michaelsen, sounds Danish to me.

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:07 pm

Heyjude7 wrote:The spelling is wrong but the way you pronounce "Nowak" in english from Polish is "Novak"

Yes my wife brought that one to my attention when I started corresponding with Tony for my jacket last year.

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:14 pm

Tennessee Smith wrote:I'm sure its been posted here before but does anyone know the details of how he got the job to make Mutt's jacket? I know he's made a lot of film jackets but was there a bid out for Mutt's like there was for Indy's?

I've not heard the story about this but he did make the jacket for Terminator 2, correct? Pure conjecture here but that might have had something to do with it as he had made a biker jacket for production before.

Post by **Tennessee Smith** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:21 pm

crismans wrote:
Tennessee Smith wrote:I'm sure its been posted here before but does anyone know the details of how he got the job to make Mutt's jacket? I know he's made a lot of film jackets but was there a bid out for Mutt's like there was for Indy's?
I've not heard the story about this but he did make the jacket for Terminator 2, correct? Pure conjecture here but that might have had something to do with it as he had made a biker jacket for production before.

Yeah, I've thought the same thing but didn't know if anyone here might have any more info beyond that.

Thanks Crismans

Yojimbo Jones · Post by **Yojimbo Jones** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:17 pm

One of the funniest things Tony told me in our conversations was about Bernie/whoever coming to him about doing the Indy movie with Ford and Shia La Boeuf and them making a big deal about it. So Tony goes "Shia Le Beouf? Who the MOD Edit is that?! Should I know?"

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:31 pm

Tennessee Smith wrote:
crismans wrote:
Tennessee Smith wrote:I'm sure its been posted here before but does anyone know the details of how he got the job to make Mutt's jacket? I know he's made a lot of film jackets but was there a bid out for Mutt's like there was for Indy's?
I've not heard the story about this but he did make the jacket for Terminator 2, correct? Pure conjecture here but that might have had something to do with it as he had made a biker jacket for production before.

Yeah, I've thought the same thing but didn't know if anyone here might have any more info beyond that.

Thanks Crismans

He made the jackets for Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, NOT Terminator 2: Judgement Day. I believe Bates Leathers made the jackets in the latter.

Raider S · Post by **Raider S** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:26 pm

Yes, he made the T3 jacket and we will soon see more in the latest.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:42 pm

You mean this jacket?

Little known fact is that Jess is the failed Terminator prototype:

They couldn't get him to kill people. All he did was point his finger and go "pppbbbbttttt!!!"

crismans · Post by **crismans** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:06 pm

Ah, I stand corrected (well, sit actually).

CM · Post by CM » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:13 am

Yojimbo Jones wrote:One of the funniest things Tony told me in our conversations was about Bernie/whoever coming to him about doing the Indy movie with Ford and Shia La Boeuf and them making a big deal about it. So Tony goes "Shia Le Beouf? Who the MOD Edit is that?! Should I know?"

Tony wasn't alone in asking that question, I assure you...

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:23 am

Heyjude7 wrote:The spelling is wrong but the way you pronounce "Nowak" in english from Polish is "Novak"

Unless you hear Tony pronounce it.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:28 am

Raider S wrote:Talk to Tony and when he answers the phone you will hear "NoVak". That's how Tony pronounces it and whover was writing the article/story forgot Journalism 101 and asking someone to spell their name for the sake of accuracy.

I suspect that's what happened too, but I've noticed when you get his answering machine it does sound more like Nowak (with a soft w ) than Novak. Many Polish people I know with that name seem to have given up and just spell their name with the V

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:33 am

CM wrote:
Yojimbo Jones wrote:One of the funniest things Tony told me in our conversations was about Bernie/whoever coming to him about doing the Indy movie with Ford and Shia La Boeuf and them making a big deal about it. So Tony goes "Shia Le Beouf? Who the MOD Edit is that?! Should I know?"

Tony wasn't alone in asking that question, I assure you...

some are still asking

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:59 am

Does anybody know if Tony made the original for that jacket too ? ( I mean the one Antonowsky is wearing in Robocop)

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:14 am

That looks like a really bad attempt at copying a T3

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:21 am

RCSignals wrote:That looks like a really bad attempt at copying a T3

Thats not right

this movie was made 16 years before T3;) so you could say
The t3 is a much better attempt of that jacket style.

But did Tony make this particular jacket? Or wasn't he a jacket maker back then?

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:32 am

neutronbomb wrote:No DJ. Didn't you know he just recently stumbled onto the scene, through some rotten, smelly goat hides together and said, "hey look at me I make jackets." I'm sure that's the answer to the question your driving at DJ.

I just asked a simple question... apparently you don't know the answer yourself! Never-mind I was just curious about that jacket I had always assumed Tony had made that as well.

RCSignals · Post by **RCSignals** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:34 am

Dutch_jones wrote:
RCSignals wrote:That looks like a really bad attempt at copying a T3
Thats not right this movie was made 16 years before T3;) so you could say
The t3 is a much better attempt of that jacket style.

But did Tony make this particular jacket? Or wasn't he a jacket maker back then?

He's been a jacket maker many more years than that. I don't think he made that one though.

That's really a poorly made looking jacket. It is interesting how the stitching on it ( and it looks like it's just patterning stitched on) resembles the T3 jacket though.
It's just a similarity of appearance , the T3 is different and made of many separate pieces and very difficult to make. Makers aren't normally allowed to include their label but TN was for the T3 jacket.

Tony told me the story of the T3 jacket job and how he got it, it's another that just came to him at the last minute.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:39 am

Could well be ! I just know back when I saw Robocop, 2 years ago it really made me think of the T3 jacket it looked very similar in shape, but like you said much less "cool"

Post by **Mike** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:50 am

VP wrote:Michaelsen, sounds Danish to me.

mmmmm…Danish.

(sorry. I'm starving and realize when I went to get gas this morning that I left my wallet at home.)

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:20 am

Dutch_jones wrote:Could well be ! I just know back when I saw Robocop, 2 years ago it really made me think of the T3 jacket it looked very similar in shape, but like you said much less "cool"

I don't know... maybe it might also be because it looks better on someone with a bigger build like Arnold?

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:34 am

Dutch_jones wrote:Does anybody know if Tony made the original for that jacket too ? ( I mean the one Antonowsky is wearing in Robocop)

"I'd buy that for a dollar".

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:44 pm

St. Dumas wrote:
Dutch_jones wrote:Does anybody know if Tony made the original for that jacket too ? ( I mean the one Antonowsky is wearing in Robocop)
"I'd buy that for a dollar".

The original Robocop is a classic.

Piers · Post by **Piers** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:47 pm

I found this interesting/funny as well

“I thought it would be easy to copy, but it wasn’t because nobody was around who had done it originally.”

For the first three films in the “Indiana Jones” series, director Steven Spielberg and his costume designers used companies based in England to design and build the character’s leather jacket and fedora.

None of them, Pollack discovered, were still in business

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:49 pm

Indeed!

Regard! Michaelson