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I got Crisman's HH Leather today, slipped it on, briefly reveled in heaven-and then zipped it and discovered what I should have remembered: that a 50 regular fit is still going to be more like a 48 *edit* on other parts of me. *sigh*

Talk about a let down-and its not his fault at all! He stated the size and I forgot from the last time I ordered one in 2001 that the size is a 'guideline'. All that wonderful leather smell wafting from the box through the house.....Sure, I could zip it-and look like an orca in a wetsuit!

#### #### ####! Now I have to save up and order one a size larger! That HH is wonderful stuff.

LOL.... They won't exchange a new unworn jacket?

Alathea_Squared wrote:#### #### ####! Now I have to save up and order one a size larger! That HH is wonderful stuff.

Nah! Just save up $10 for the Rocky soundtrack on your iPod and hit the streets!
(Probably don't wear the jacket at the time, though!)

Im the second owner, (

I asked Crismans measurements and its going to take longer to justify the cost/vs not wearing than my wife would like. She is pretty patient with my hobbies, but I have a watch incoming too, so something had to go. Its one of those unforgiving fashion things where this jacket is better if bought to size no matter how much I kid myself, rather than trying to fit into it. Jeans/tshirt it is not.




CAS

oh. I thought it was brand new. Yea, I've bought a couple of used jackets and it's always a roll of the dice.

I don't understand this part "that a 50 regular fit is still going to be more like a 48."

"Regualr" will determine length, but if the jacket is a '50', it should fit a 50" chest, not be smaller to fit a 48" chest.

I edited that a bit-My chest is 49, but other parts of me aren't so I guessed wrong that the give of a 50 would be quite enough. I would either need to order a 50 with more give for girth, or maybe a 52.

CAS

I'm not sure how you're built, but even a bigger jacket (bigger in the chest) might not mean a jacket that will fit in the middle.

The Indy style is somewhat tapered, like a fitted shirt. I have a big upper body but narrower stomach and waist. Indy jackets fit this way - v - more than they fit this way - ^ -, if you get where I'm going. You may need to find a true custom in your case.

Yeah, Im resigned to that fact, or just need to lose 20 lbs. I jumped on this one-I used to have one that was a 50 that fit great, but it was also a custom by the previous owner, in distressed cow/cotton inside. It was great. I saw the 50, weigh a little less than I did then, and jumped-but the other one must have allowed for some extra room. Crisman's jacket is great, I just don't think I can keep it around long enough to drop the 20 or so and keep my wife happy too! )

Alathea_Squared wrote: I just don't think I can keep it around long enough to drop the 20 or so and keep my wife happy too! )

I have some experience with wives. Surely yours would accept you not wearing the jacket for a little while if you were losing weight to fit into it (and look good!). If anything, you're showing uber-commitment to it!

(I'm a big believer in using clothes sizes to draw a line. I try and size things to fit the size I -should- be (within reality), and if I'm getting too skinny/fat for a shirt / jacket / suit to look good, it's off to the gym I go!)

Ill have to give that at try......

You just need to be kind of neurotic for it to work. Luckily, I qualify...

I measured a '50' leather jacket that I have now in a similar style and, based on it (ive never actually measured it before) Id have farther to go than a few weeks, safely, anyway. My '50' leather jacket measures pit to pit at 27.5. Well, at least I have a template for throwing one of my own together over at Peter's!

That 27.5 is bigger than a 50 - it's more like a 52 or even 54.

If you measured 49 on your chest your going to be swimming in something so big in the chest. What's the waist or "gut" size you need? I mentioned the ^ vs. v and think that's what you're up against.

My other jacket it tagged at 50, thats why Id never measured it and just went with that. Im sitting at a 52.5 waist full on depending on the day and a relaxed 49-50 chest, but if I raise my arms or move my shoulders back it goes to 51.5 ish.

I'm going to give you something else to consider. You need a big jacket, a really big jacket. The Wested's I'm familiar with are pretty lightweight and, I hate to say dainty, but you need a 'man's man' jacket. My suggestion would be to see about a US Wings.

USW tends to run on the big size and aren't too tapered. Their Large Indy is more like an XLarge. XLarge would probably fit someone with a true 50 chest. Their XXL would fit even bigger. And if that weren't enough you could probably go for an XXL Tall that would be bigger still. Maybe someone on here has an XXL and can give you the dimensions. Or a call to USW might help - I know they have sizing charts online, too.

I really think a USW in goat, or lamb, would be big enough for you, it's just about the best built jacket you can find (you won't be blowing out the stitching and the leather is tough), and as long as you DON'T remove the tags you can easily send it back if fit is an issue.

Just a thought.

Thanks for the idea Ive looked at their clearance before but the sizing was off on both the one I got and the exchange. Id really love a G/B. I love the horsehide, but I really want a jacket I can wear, not one that just looks good. Its been a few years-Ill give them a look.

Well I recieved the jacket from Alathea (I was the one who bought and won it on ebay for only $180 shipped).

Now, I gotta say it. I have owned several Indiana jones jackets over the past couple of years. (About 10 or so). I currently own three Westeds, a US Wings and a Tony Nowak. I have always felt that something was never quite right with my raiders jackets. Wested's hides were great (having owned a lamb, washed lamb, goat and washed goat) but there was something that was off. I figured I needed to get a horsehide jacket ever since I saw Tony's shruken lamb (dont ask me why, just put those two together).

After receving this jacket, I gotta say THIS IS THE INDY JACKET. I believe in this hobby we all have our own perceptions of what indy gear is. Some believe Tony's shrunken lamb IS the Indy jacket. Others believe its Peter's lambskin. Thats Ok as they are all great jackets! I have finally found what I consider to be THE indy jacket. Heavy, tough, built like a tank. If I was gonna be dragged behind a german truck this is the jacket I would want to wear.

Handcrafted from the finest, heavier soft durable dark brown horse hide. The custom
tailored jacket features the following specifications: Indiana Holt's yoke specs, Marc Kitter's pocket specs, reinforced stitching everywhere, 1 piece gusset, extra inside pocket no leather facings, cotton body/satin sleeves, and X-box stitching.

Anyway, I just gotta say, if you are on the fence about HH or your wanting a TN but just can't shell out the cash, then go with HH. Heavy, thick, durable. Somethin you might call a 'man's man' jacket (Sorry Raider S, could't resist ) Anyway, here are some pics. This is straight out of the box. No pecards, no wear, just tried on, loved and then hung up. Hope you guys like it!

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Leather comparison side-by-side with a TOD Wested dark brown lambskin


Comparison against my TN CS jacket (yes, I know. The black spot of death is still there...)


Comparison with my Wested TOD which i have worn regularly but treated with care


Note: All pics taken in natural light, no flash.

Very nice collection!
You shouldn't baby your TN CS Jacket too much. A few wrinkles wouldn't hurt the black spot

Regards

orb

ReturningSon wrote: Now, I gotta say it. I have owned several Indiana jones jackets over the past couple of years. (About 10 or so). I currently own three Westeds, a US Wings and a Tony Nowak. I have always felt that something was never quite right with my raiders jackets. Wested's hides were great (having owned a lamb, washed lamb, goat and washed goat) but there was something that was off. I figured I needed to get a horsehide jacket ever since I saw Tony's shruken lamb (dont ask me why, just put those two together).

After receving this jacket, I gotta say THIS IS THE INDY JACKET. I believe in this hobby we all have our own perceptions of what indy gear is. Some believe Tony's shrunken lamb IS the Indy jacket. Others believe its Peter's lambskin. Thats Ok as they are all great jackets! I have finally found what I consider to be THE indy jacket. Heavy, tough, built like a tank. If I was gonna be dragged behind a german truck this is the jacket I would want to wear.

I know what you're talking about! I think a HH TN would just be the thing, in fact. But in the meantime, it's my Wested HH that gets the most wear. I know some say it's heavy, some say it's too bulky, but I find it drapes nicely while being substantial at the same time. A used one seems even better than new; it was the first Indy jacket I've pulled out of the box that felt instantly Indy.

I'm still not sure about the stitching though. At first, I thought it was a well crafted jacket, but now the seams seem a little loose.

But, ...the TN CS jacket...well...is my baby! But your right!

Anyway, I totally agree with you Baldwyn. I picked up the jacket, slipped it on and was like...ok, this is something Indy would wear. I am sure with constant use, it will show some really lovely grain and soften down some. Honestly, I dont mean to compare Tony's jackets or belittle them in any way (I love the guy! ) but now that I have this jacket, I feel I really dont need another. (Yeah, how many times have I said that before... ). As for the stichting, mine was made using the strongest thread Wested could source and was reinforced everywhere. It feels like it could withstand a bomb..

And it fits great too! I am a big guy (muscular build, linebacker type) and this fits great. Nice, even though it is a slimer fit, I love it! And for the price, $180 shipped, I am still reeling. To have this made by Wested would have cost me $288 (i nearly ordered one not too long ago). I saved $108. I will post some pics of the jacket compared with my Authentic Brown lambskin Wested in a little bit!

Here are some pics of the HH with my Wested Raiders Authentic Brown lambskin jacket.
Note: The HH is on the left, the Lambskin right!

Taken without flash



Taken with flash


Closeup

Some people would definately call me crazy for saying this, but I absolutely love the colour of that HH jacket! Also, your speclist didn't mention it, but does it also have a Holt colar? it looks pretty long

Regards, Geert

Im glad that it reached you in good time. 30 lbs less and you'd be looking at mine!

Enjoy! Make a story with it.

CAS

orb wrote:Very nice collection!
You shouldn't baby your TN CS Jacket too much. A few wrinkles wouldn't hurt the black spot

Regards

orb

I agree with orb, you really got to wear the jackets and beat them up a bit. Leather doesn't start to even look good till it's been worn for a few years.

Raider S wrote:

orb wrote:Very nice collection!
You shouldn't baby your TN CS Jacket too much. A few wrinkles wouldn't hurt the black spot

Regards

orb

I agree with orb, you really got to wear the jackets and beat them up a bit. Leather doesn't start to even look good till it's been worn for a few years.

Yeah...believe me I have lost sleep over this. At first I was like "OH MY GOD!!! A black Spot of Death" and now I am like "well....its a black spot of death..so what? It IS noticeable from a distance and somehwhat distracting. What bothers me the most is that I didn't do it myself. I know I didn't where it or cause the stain to appear. (like 99% sure). More than likely, if its gonna cause Tony some trouble to fix, I would just leave as is. However, it hasn't faded or done anything and I have worn the jacket since then a couple of times. I fear that putting pecards would just spread it around and I dont wanna do that. Anyway, theres a whole other thread on this so we should discuss it there.

AS for the color, I agree...100% raiders. The collar measures 22 inches, same as on my standard raiders however it is 1/2 inch wider and not as pointed. I dont know if its a Holt collar but it sure looks like one. Anyway, I LOVE MY HH!!!

my collar would have been longer if it was the same size.. mine is a 44.. crismans got this jacket before Peter got my spec sheet for the 'Holt' jacket..


congrats on your new jacket

Glad you like the jacket and doubly glad it's found a good home. I really liked the jacket and I had to think long and hard about it before I let it go. But the jacket bug was calling for something else...

Holt's right: he hadn't come out with his collar specs when I ordered that jacket (or I would have stolen those, believe me) so that should be a standard Wested collar. I've seen most of the major hides out of Wested (with the notable exception of Novapelle) and I think that HH is the best hide I've seen. I think if Indy were a real-life character, he would have gone a similar route to that jacket.

Thanks Holt and Crismans! Its is very chilly 55 degrees outside. I just got back from walking my Scotty and this jacket ROCKs!!!!! Kept me warm (with a little help from Magnoli's Wyoming Scarf, . Anyway, now its time to sit outside and smoke a nice Romeo Y Julieta Churchill with some bourbon! Cheers!

Thanks once again Holt and Crismans for the compliments as well as Alathea_Squared for selling this jacket at such a great price! Hope you find the jacket your looking for! Good luck!

ReturningSon wrote: Hope you find the jacket your looking for! Good luck!

You don't have to worry about Crismans having the jacket he's looking for - that guy has a fleet of beauties!

50 degrees and wearing a scarf? When it gets 50 here people will be wearing shorts and sandals!

I think that was directed towards me.

Don't forget, I am in CA!!!

ReturningSon,

I was umming and ahhing over getting the washed goat from Wested, however that HH is sweet. Exactly the dark shade of brown that I am chasing . You have just stitched it for me!

Cheers
Jonesy

RCSignals wrote:I don't understand this part "that a 50 regular fit is still going to be more like a 48."

"Regualr" will determine length, but if the jacket is a '50', it should fit a 50" chest, not be smaller to fit a 48" chest.

Maybe they use the same brand tape measure I do, RC.



Regards! Michaelson

You are all set to measure now though Michaelson

Provided I'm awake....yes.

Regards! Michaelson