Club Obi Wan

Ok..... First it was whips....... Then a MkVII.... then the freakin expensive Aldens....... and now..... a Expedition!!! (Do folks call um Expos?)

Im really excited about getting this jacket, It was recommended to me by Paul Nolan, and also from all the great reviews I've read on it.....

BTW, its gonna be in GOAT, cause i hear its pretty Tuff!

Congrats! I got to see several G&B jackets at the QM Summit and I can tell you you're in for what heck of a jacket! They're well made and should last you several lifetimes!

Congrats! I've never seen an Expo (Expe) but from everything (I mean everything) I've read, they are very SA and built like a proverbial tank.

Where down South are you? I have lamb because of the weather here in FL and its not thin by any means. Still tough though.

Great choice. It will outlast you for sure.

I got a G&B goat a few weeks ago. You will not be disappointed.

-Matt

ive done a lil searching but found no definative answer.... but just exactly HOW accurate are they?

they were patterned after a raiders stunt jacket and were tweaked for real world durability. an excellent, durable jacket from all the reviews i have seen. it will outlast most of the other indy jacket offerings out there.

for an extreme stitch nazi like myself, i prefer other venues ;-)

It's very accurate. Remember many jackets were used in Raiders. This is based on one of them, with a few minor tweaks to make it stronger.

My view has always been I want a jacket like the one in the film only better (ie more functional and better quality)

From what I've seen of the new Tony Nowak Raiders, the G&B is about as accurate as that one. I hear it's as well made too.

It could even be argued that anyone who wants a more accurate jacket than a G&B is clinically insane or just stupidly picky. But it's a free world (or part of it is anyway...)

CM wrote:It's very accurate. Remember many jackets were used in Raiders. This is based on one of them, with a few minor tweaks to make it stronger.

My view has always been I want a jacket like the one in the film only better (ie more functional and better quality)

From what I've seen of the new Tony Nowak Raiders, the G&B is about as accurate as that one. I hear it's as well made too.

It could even be argued that anyone who wants a more accurate jacket than a G&B is clinically insane or just stupidly picky. But it's a free world (or part of it is anyway...)

it may be argued that i'm insane, but i am far from stupid which is why i resent that remark. this hobby has alot of levels and niches and all of them should be respected by all members of the community. from my understanding of your jacket preference CM, i know that you prefer real world to prop replica and that is what you aim your money at.....but making a comment about how G&B is as accurate as a TN is placed in ignorance in my opinion and you should definitely look past your reinforced stitching and proper zippers and seams to understand that. if i wanted a jacket that would be resilient to the effects of time and to be fashionable forever, i wouldn't pick an indy-style jacket to fit the bill. i enjoy buying indy jackets because i want it as close to the screen jacket as possible....imperfections and all. that is where my enjoyment emanates from. to call it stupid is just plain ignorant.

Indiana G wrote:

CM wrote:It's very accurate. Remember many jackets were used in Raiders. This is based on one of them, with a few minor tweaks to make it stronger.

My view has always been I want a jacket like the one in the film only better (ie more functional and better quality)

From what I've seen of the new Tony Nowak Raiders, the G&B is about as accurate as that one. I hear it's as well made too.

It could even be argued that anyone who wants a more accurate jacket than a G&B is clinically insane or just stupidly picky. But it's a free world (or part of it is anyway...)

it may be argued that i'm insane, but i am far from stupid which is why i resent that remark. this hobby has alot of levels and niches and all of them should be respected by all members of the community. from my understanding of your jacket preference CM, i know that you prefer real world to prop replica and that is what you aim your money at.....but making a comment about how G&B is as accurate as a TN is placed in ignorance in my opinion and you should definitely look past your reinforced stitching and proper zippers and seams to understand that. if i wanted a jacket that would be resilient to the effects of time and to be fashionable forever, i wouldn't pick an indy-style jacket to fit the bill. i enjoy buying indy jackets because i want it as close to the screen jacket as possible....imperfections and all. that is where my enjoyment emanates from. to call it stupid is just plain ignorant.

I think CM's tongue was placed firmly in cheek on that one. He said that it could be argued, he didn't actually call anyone stupid. Cheers


PS-His point was that the G&B Expo. is a great choice for “prudent” people. I ordered a TN Raiders, but I admit that there is a little voice inside telling me that it’s crazy to spend that kind of money on a jacket.

Rundquist wrote:
I think CM's tongue was placed firmly in cheek on that one.

Don't you just hate when CM does that?! It makes it next to impossible to understand a word he says.

;-)

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:

Rundquist wrote:
I think CM's tongue was placed firmly in cheek on that one.

Don't you just hate when CM does that?! It makes it next to impossible to understand a word he says.

;-)

Regards! Michaelson

Sometimes it is very hard to distinguish words from intent.

Not that I'm putting words in his mouth. That's just my interpretation.

if it were just this post, perhaps i would have let it go. but this one followed another post where he addressed and enquirry of mine as "screen idiocy".....and that's why i'm drawing a line in the sand now.

i don't take kindly to words like stupid and idiot or whatever derivations have you for these terms regardless if they are 'tongue in cheek' posts. i also don't take kindly to CM's views on jackets......period. CM, your view is narrow and uneducated as anyone that falls outside your justifications on what makes a good jacket is "moronic" in your eyes. may i ask what items you have purchased in your tenure here to give you that much weight in your perceived opinion?

posting your opinion is fine. lambasting others for theirs is not. it shows poor form but i guess thats what is expected from you......now, how's that for ignorant?

Whoa! Let's not fall so far off the rails this thread gets nuked!

Please.

Regards! Michaelson

Although in general, the rule about not saying anything if you don’t have anything nice to say, is a good rule to go by on a public forum, people also need to maintain a thick skin on a public forum. CM can definitely have and express his opinions. He didn’t call anyone out specifically. Cheers


Back to the thread topic please.

i have said my peace and will not revisit this subject again, sir.

back on the rails:

believe it or not, i would have an expo right now if slydini took a little longer to post pics of his TN 1. rundquists prototype pics had me sold. this was one major jacket offering that has been elusive to my wardrobe. regardless of its inaccuracies.......and these are inaccuracies that are on the 'anal' side........you won't be regretting owning one. i base that on the opinions i have heard from well respected owners.

Indiana G wrote:i have said my peace and will not revisit this subject again, sir.

Thank you.

Regards! Michaelson

This is my G&B lamb, which I love. I haven't distressed it yet. For almost $500, I feel I should let it come naturally. If it was a Wested or Todd's (if he made a standard one that fit), I'd have no problem beating it up.


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JC,
That thing is beautiful!

see, I wanted a jacket that was pretty accurate, but that was not my main draw to this jacket.
I have heard from several VERY reliable sources that the goatskin Expo is about the toughest Indy jacket you can get.
I happen to also very much like the cut and style of indy jackets, so this will be something i wear daily, not just a costume peice or prop replica.
Same thing with my Fed 4 hat.... its just tough as nails REAL hat...
Same thing with my Aldens, they get WORN.

to me, i guess thats why i think artificial "distressing" is silly....why RUIN a brand new peice of gear?

Shagbd wrote:JC,
That thing is beautiful!

see, I wanted a jacket that was pretty accurate, but that was not my main draw to this jacket.
I have heard from several VERY reliable sources that the goatskin Expo is about the toughest Indy jacket you can get.
I happen to also very much like the cut and style of indy jackets, so this will be something i wear daily, not just a costume peice or prop replica.
Same thing with my Fed 4 hat.... its just tough as nails REAL hat...
Same thing with my Aldens, they get WORN.

to me, i guess thats why i think artificial "distressing" is silly....why RUIN a brand new peice of gear?

If that is your criteria, you picked the right jacket (or at least one of the right jackets).

SWEET!
Thanks Rund!!

Ill post pics when she arrives....

The weather is actually supposed to start cooling off NEXT WEEK, so its really perfect timing.

That jacket sure doesn't look like a G&B! The back panel isn't tapered, the pockets are an odd shape and the stitching on the side straps looks a little off.

TR

Texas Raider wrote:That jacket sure doesn't look like a G&B! The back panel isn't tapered, the pockets are an odd shape and the stitching on the side straps looks a little off.

TR

You’re definitely looking at a forced perspective in those pics. Still I’m not sure that I’m seeing the same things that you’re seeing. Cheers

With the G&B goat, you can be 'drug by a truck' all day, and it takes it like a man! ;-) To me, the most SA jacket out there right now is the Todd's jacket, also the most inexpensive. It is very thin to replicate the SU--screen used jacket in Raiders. Thin but tough in its own right as there have been a few who have put it to the test. If you want a heavier jacket and more durability though, the G&B delivers. The made to order G&B fits like a charm.

What will $1,000 Indy bucks get you:
2 G&B's
2 Todd's Customs
3.38 USW Signature Goatskin Adventurers
4.3 Custom Westeds
5 OTR Wested Specials
5 Blue Label USW
6.67 Todd's Standards

Indiana G wrote:

CM wrote:It's very accurate. Remember many jackets were used in Raiders. This is based on one of them, with a few minor tweaks to make it stronger.

My view has always been I want a jacket like the one in the film only better (ie more functional and better quality)

From what I've seen of the new Tony Nowak Raiders, the G&B is about as accurate as that one. I hear it's as well made too.

It could even be argued that anyone who wants a more accurate jacket than a G&B is clinically insane or just stupidly picky. But it's a free world (or part of it is anyway...) :lol: :-k

it may be argued that i'm insane, but i am far from stupid which is why i resent that remark. this hobby has alot of levels and niches and all of them should be respected by all members of the community. from my understanding of your jacket preference CM, i know that you prefer real world to prop replica and that is what you aim your money at.....but making a comment about how G&B is as accurate as a TN is placed in ignorance in my opinion and you should definitely look past your reinforced stitching and proper zippers and seams to understand that. if i wanted a jacket that would be resilient to the effects of time and to be fashionable forever, i wouldn't pick an indy-style jacket to fit the bill. i enjoy buying indy jackets because i want it as close to the screen jacket as possible....imperfections and all. that is where my enjoyment emanates from. to call it stupid is just plain ignorant.

Man that's twisted... and funny. Thank God you're over it now.

Rundquist wrote:

Texas Raider wrote:That jacket sure doesn't look like a G&B! The back panel isn't tapered, the pockets are an odd shape and the stitching on the side straps looks a little off.

TR

You’re definitely looking at a forced perspective in those pics. Still I’m not sure that I’m seeing the same things that you’re seeing. Cheers

TR,
I assure you its a G&B. And I don't see those things either.

I wasn't accusing you a being a liar or anything, my friend, ;-) I was just making an observation aloud. ;-) You're probably right, just forced perception. I tried to take pics of mine that match yours. The differences I see, mainly, are the pockets and the rear panel. The pockets on mine are smaller and less rounded, and the back panel seems a bit more tapered than the one I see on yours. Also, the stitchin is different on the straps. I think it's probably because of different workmanship between jackets, maybe.

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TR

When did you get yours TR?

About 5 years ago.

TR

I dig what you're saying about the back panel not being tapered. Look where the back panel meets the top yoke. It's usually met in the corners like Texas Raider's jacket. This one seems to have a U.S. Wings thing going on (where the back panel is shaped like a rectangle) and doesn't meet in the corners. I don't know if that makes sense. Still a great looking jacket!

TR.is that a goatskin?

Looks like it is based on the grain (from a distance) and thickness?

Mine was only bought in April and hardly worn as you can see. Could that make a difference? Or has G&B changed their style? Or b/c mine is lamb?

Yes, mine is goatskin. JC, I'm having the feeling it's just a difference in personnel that made the jacket. To my awareness, I don't think they have changed their pattern of the jacket, as there was never anything wrong (at all!) with it. I also had another one that I got brand new, and it was pretty much identical to the one you see in my pics, but the color of yours. It too was goat. Maybe you could contact them and see what is up, maybe a replacement is in order (if you are interested in doing so).

TR

JC,

I got mine from G&B a few weeks ago. It's a little hard to tell from your pictures due to the angle, but I think my pocket flaps look just like yours. I think that is just how they are doing them now.

-Matt

Here is an excerpt from an interesting post by Dave Marshall of G&B in another thread:

"I explained that we have had the same leather team for years. When the slow summer months come around, most factories lay off people for lack of work; not us, we are diversified enough that we keep our people busy continuing to make a good salary. We also realize that once you lay off good artisans, you risk not having the talent when the season picks up."

The only other comment I would add is that the difference in taper or no taper and other slight differences might be a custom made jacket versus an OTR G&B jacket. When I first ordered an Expedition, a 44 Short was ordered for the preference in shorter sleeves. However, the torso of the jacket was too short for me and I sent it back in exchange for a made to order. She literally pulled the OTR jacket off the rack and sent it, as it was already made. Taking in the straps slightly will also help with the taper effect.

A customer always has preferences, but I've always believed that someone else, or a few people has/have worried about SA before the product is ever offered for sale, before it ever reaches me. Having access to a stuntman's, screen used jacket from Raiders has to be a great beginning!

MFC wrote:JC,

I got mine from G&B a few weeks ago. It's a little hard to tell from your pictures due to the angle, but I think my pocket flaps look just like yours. I think that is just how they are doing them now.

-Matt

Thanks Matt.

TR, I'm not going to return it. To me, it looks fine (I'm new to jackets & the whole Indy hobby). And I'm not one to nit-pick. Few more years of this, who knows and I might.

I think the G&B's vary a bit. Some pocket flaps are a little more squared off, mine is mega scalloped... Also the pocket on the other side of the windflap is often a little too close to the zip. Mine is just 3 cm instead of the 4-6cm space we see in most screen shots. Other than that (as Indy G knows) I reckon the G&B can't be beat.

well I got my size 44R Goat Expedition in today and it is FANTASTIC!

really, all the bragging and stuff said about this jacket doesnt begin to describe it!
Screen accuracy aside,its just a super well built jacket, the Goatskin is really nice and heavy but very supple at the same time with a nice pebble grain to it... its very dark brown...nearly black in some light, buit im sure it will age nicely and only look better with time.

thank you again to Paul @ Midwestwhips for suggesting this one to me!

;0

boom baby!!! gotcha

lets see it my friend.......if the TN1 didn't come up, that very jacket would probably be in my closet right now

Yeah! Post 'em up! What's the deal? ;-)

Indiana G wrote:......if the TN1 didn't come up, that very jacket would probably be in my closet right now

Why? There's nothing saying you can't own both!

Regard! Michaelson

FINALLY we have pictures!!!

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yeh............ it really IS that dark...... almost looks black!

here it is in the sun.... its a perfect fit!

Now, THAT is a Gibson and Barnes, no question. Does everybody see the differences to which I'm referring in the former pictures of that other G&B? This one looks exactly like mine, same pockets, etc, etc. Generally they never differ, that is why I questioned that other one.

Looks great, Shag! Glad you like it,,they really are the best jacket out there, IMO.

TR

Shagbd wrote:FINALLY we have pictures!!!

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yeh............ it really IS that dark...... almost looks black!

here it is in the sun.... its a perfect fit!

EDIT - I got this wrong. Forget I was here...

That one is fine, that's the way they are made and supposed to be. I'm sure the other side matches.

TR

wow.your face man...Im sorry...what happend? ;-)



LOVE the jacket.I am a 44 too.whats the backlength,sleeves and across chest measurements??

SA! Didn't Indy wear a smiley face in all the movies?


...he does after receiving a new G&B jacket! ;-)

anybody else notice the Aldens and Morgan whip?