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Map room notebook - cat among the pigeons?

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:23 am
by enigmata_wood
Has anyone else noticed that in the scene where Indy is consulting his notes and looking through a theodolite to find the real location of the map room, the notebook is actually an accountant's four-column, double-entry ledger?
http://s498.photobucket.com/albums/rr34 ... ledger.jpg
Does this mean everyone's gonna go and re-make their props?
Here's a thought instead. :?
Just buy yourself a bunch of cheap, but nice to handle, notebooks [not necessarily, acid free paper, 5" x 7", grey-green with a red spine] and spend the coming years replicating your OWN adventures in daily entries and drawings.
Enigmata

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:08 pm
by Magno
Whoa, trippy. Can't imagine why Jones would want anything like that...

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:14 pm
by TruckWhatTruck
good catch. :tup:

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:17 am
by enigmata_wood
Magno wrote:Whoa, trippy. Can't imagine why Jones would want anything like that...
Actually it makes sense for a scientist to have a way to neatly sort his data. One broad and three narrow columns might be used like this:
Item description Yellow metal processional staff headpiece, circular, 4" diameter with amber gem mounted off centre. Bird [pheonix?] motif, workmanship and style suggest Ancient Egyptian.
Likely age or culture pre-Akenaden Dynasty.
Possible purpose ritual processions / refractive locating
overall dimensions 5 cubits (incl. staff)

or just

Find - general notes | Dig site | grid location | depth
broad mouthed earthenware pot # 7 | 12 | B6 | 17 In.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:48 am
by BendingOak
those aren't collums , those are edges of other pages pulling back.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:21 am
by enigmata_wood
BendingOak wrote:those aren't collums , those are edges of other pages pulling back.
I have to disagree with you there, they are definitely red lines - the page edges - unlike the ledger lines - are dirty brown, dog-eared and not dead parallel.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:34 am
by BendingOak
I can see the very top edge curling up at the corner.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:38 am
by agent5
Oak, he's talking about the 4 red verticle lines on the page itself, not just the paper. There's one off the the left and three on the right side.
I've seen this for years but just thought it was a standard notebook. Interesting to point out exactly what it is. Thanks.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:14 pm
by Gringo
ITS A SURVEY ENGINEERS BOOK. THE DEVICE HE USES TO FIND THE MAP ROOM IS A TRANSIT. THAT WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR YEARS. I ALWAYS USED MY BOOK FOR WRITING NOTES TOO!
TAKE CARE

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:26 pm
by BendingOak
Gringo wrote:ITS A SURVEY ENGINEERS BOOK. THE DEVICE HE USES TO FIND THE MAP ROOM IS A TRANSIT. THAT WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR YEARS. I ALWAYS USED MY BOOK FOR WRITING NOTES TOO!
TAKE CARE

No reason to get upset. To me it doesn't look like that to me. I know that you are talking about the verticle lines but at the very top corner it looks like it's folding in.

Can anyone a have a different of a opinion with people freaking out.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:39 pm
by Satipo
:lol: I'm not sure Gringo is upset. I think he may just have left his caps-lock on.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:44 pm
by Gringo
Sorry about the caps! I did leave them on. Not upset at all. Take care guys!

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:21 pm
by enigmata_wood
yup, Cat among the pigeons.
well, it's only an insignificant transitory prop. I don't think my minor observation is going to shake the foundations of Indygeardom.
Enigmata

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:22 pm
by Rambler
BendingOak wrote:
Gringo wrote:ITS A SURVEY ENGINEERS BOOK. THE DEVICE HE USES TO FIND THE MAP ROOM IS A TRANSIT. THAT WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR YEARS. I ALWAYS USED MY BOOK FOR WRITING NOTES TOO!
TAKE CARE

No reason to get upset. To me it doesn't look like that to me. I know that you are talking about the verticle lines but at the very top corner it looks like it's folding in.

Can anyone a have a different of a opinion with people freaking out.
There is a pencil line that runs across the red lines diagonally. I have a few of these books somewhere from when my grandfather used them (19-teens), my father (1940s-50s) then myself (1980s) as students and engineers in the field, You can still get them. In fact, if you root through the storeroom of an old civil engineering firm and look in old transit and theodolite cases, I am sure you can find vintage 1930's notebooks of this type.

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:48 pm
by BendingOak
I'm not saying I'm right and you guys are wrong. I just can't see how you can be so sure based off of that one bad photo.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:10 pm
by Gringo
Hey BendingOak. I am not saying I am positive about the book. As a kid I always thought it was an old style notebook. It made sense. Then when I went into that occupation it made sense that wherever Indy snagged the transit, he probably grabbed the survey book to go with it. I have seen these period survey books as Rambler has. I guess in the end its still speculation but I quess thats whats all the fun :)

Take care and lets see if we can find out. Now I'm on a new quest!!

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:27 am
by enigmata_wood
whoohoo!
I made Archæologist AND had my first controversy! ;-)

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:26 am
by Darth Indiana
enigmata_wood wrote:yup, Cat among the pigeons.
well, it's only an insignificant transitory prop. I don't think my minor observation is going to shake the foundations of Indygeardom.
Enigmata
clearly you dont' know this place very well. :lol:
many of us measure the brims on our hats in millimeters and have SA boot laces. If it turns out that the map room journal was in fact a columned ledger, God help whoever is on duty at the local office supply stores. :shock:

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:50 am
by BendingOak
Darth Indiana wrote:
enigmata_wood wrote:yup, Cat among the pigeons.
well, it's only an insignificant transitory prop. I don't think my minor observation is going to shake the foundations of Indygeardom.
Enigmata
clearly you dont' know this place very well. :lol:
many of us measure the brims on our hats in millimeters and have SA boot laces. If it turns out that the map room journal was in fact a columned ledger, God help whoever is on duty at the local office supply stores. :shock:





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't forget the socks :[ .......... and the sea plane hat was grey :[ no, no i mean brown :[

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:24 am
by enigmata_wood
BendingOak wrote:
Darth Indiana wrote:
enigmata_wood wrote:yup, Cat among the pigeons.
well, it's only an insignificant transitory prop. I don't think my minor observation is going to shake the foundations of Indygeardom.
Enigmata
clearly you dont' know this place very well. :lol:
many of us measure the brims on our hats in millimeters and have SA boot laces. If it turns out that the map room journal was in fact a columned ledger, God help whoever is on duty at the local office supply stores. :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't forget the socks :[ .......... and the sea plane hat was grey :[ no, no i mean brown :[
Does anyone know the exact length, in nanometers, of Indy's stubble?

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:11 am
by gwyddion
enigmata_wood wrote:
BendingOak wrote:
Darth Indiana wrote:
enigmata_wood wrote:yup, Cat among the pigeons.
well, it's only an insignificant transitory prop. I don't think my minor observation is going to shake the foundations of Indygeardom.
Enigmata
clearly you dont' know this place very well. :lol:
many of us measure the brims on our hats in millimeters and have SA boot laces. If it turns out that the map room journal was in fact a columned ledger, God help whoever is on duty at the local office supply stores. :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't forget the socks :[ .......... and the sea plane hat was grey :[ no, no i mean brown :[
Does anyone know the exact length, in nanometers, of Indy's stubble?
I think that depends on the scene, but I could be wrong ;-) :lol:

Regards, Geert

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:37 am
by Michaelson
That discussion should be kept in this thread.

viewtopic.php?t=35512

;-)

Regards! Michaelson

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:59 am
by enigmata_wood
Michaelson wrote:That discussion should be kept in this thread.

viewtopic.php?t=35512

;-)

Regards! Michaelson
I am speechless that there is even such a thread, even if in jest