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JohnnyFedora's Penman Hat.AB Felt, Ribbon, and Block=Indy V?

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:47 pm
by Johnny Fedora
These are pictures of my hat. My review is 8 posts down...
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Hey there campers!
So it would seem that a review is in order for this new lid and rather than see this phrase used in this thread... ;0
I thought I would start with some pictures and then get to a proper review. Everybody ready? Then lets go...
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The Review's coming boys and girls, but check out the pics and think up some questions. I've got a few my self for Mr. Penman. ;-)

Johnny

p.s. Just a teaser though..."I love my hat!" And, "Man, I love the Penman Hat Co. logo! It's simply sublime and love seeing it in my hat!" :roll:

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:24 pm
by jacksdad
:) the icon says it all enjoy and what a great hat, I'm waiting for mine.

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:29 pm
by Chiliana Jones
love how the felt looks



CJ

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:34 pm
by mark seven
Chiliana Jones wrote:love how the felt looks



CJ
Ditto!,the sunlight really brings out the red in the brown-very nice! :tup:

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:53 pm
by DR Ulloa
Thats a fine looking hat Johnny. The bash is great and the felt looks very soft. What else would we expect from a Penman?

Dave

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:20 pm
by Mitch LaRue
Early on when John started his company a few people were saying "Order NOW before there's a year-long wait to get one of these beautiful Penman Hats..."
MAN! They weren't kidding... these things are quickly becoming a MUST-HAVE Hat as far as I'M concerned!
Beautiful work (again) John... you're making Classics!
:notworthy:
Mitch

(Oh, and just so I have a basis of perspective Johnny... I know what the hat LOOKS like, but when you ordered the fedora what style did you request?)

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:30 pm
by Johnny Fedora
:) Thanks for the complements everybody!
I promise a full review is coming, and I won't leave anything out.

Mitch, I just requested John's standard Raiders lid after much discusion of what he and I feel is the diffinitive Raiders look. John perfers to make the best look from each movie as opposed to a specific scene in the film. With that said, mine looks fairly Idol Grabish, as hats styled in that manner can be tweeked into almost every look in Raiders. :-k

Oh and Mitch...
Mitch LaRue wrote:Even that Penman Logo on the Liner!
Has anybody sung any praises about that? 'Cause I've gotta say something about THAT, too...Just a moment ago my wife dropped into my office and I said "Want to see a really classic, timeless logo on a hat liner?" A moment later, she was nodding "You're right... that is one gorgeous logo!

That made my day! :) I designed that logo for John (and a couple of other hat box stuffers) after hours spent on the phone talking about hats, his hats, and the world we live in and life in general. So, thanks man! And thanks again John, for not only trusting me with your hallmark, but for my awesome hat!
More to come. :whip:

Johnny

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:39 pm
by Mitch LaRue
Well deserved praise for the BOTH of you then, Gents!
All the Best,
Mitch
:)

The Review of My Penman Raiders Fedora

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:15 am
by Johnny Fedora
Ok. Review time kids!
First, I want to thank John yet again for making me a terrific Raiders fedora! It's exactly what I wanted and pictured in my head. It's perfect in everyway, and could only ever be surpassed (and I hope you'll forgive me for this John...by my Mags/AB/HJ, but then you of all people know how much I love that hat :oops: ) At the same time, this hat, the hat you've made for me, will go on adventures that particular rabbit can't go, and will take on a life of it's own. Again, thank you sir. :notworthy:

Ok, let’s see...where to start...ok, what I ordered.
I ordered a Penman Hat Co. Fedora in Indy Brown, styled in the manner of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Now, after talking at length with John about style, I found that he and I share a somewhat similar view on the style elements that make a great Raiders fedora, and so I simply asked John for his best Raiders fedora, and that’s what I received. :)

First, I gotta' say I loved the packaging. Now, I can't remember if John told me he was going to use the logo on a custom printed box, but it certainly was fun to see when it arrived. It was also fun to open up the box and find not only my hat but the pamphlet, and several business cards to boot. On a personal note, it was a thrill to pull away the plastic and see the bicycle logo in gold against white satin on the liner. John wanted something very "Him" to represent The Penman Hat Co. and I wanted something very old fashioned, that I could believe "could" have been on the liner of Indiana Jones' actual hat. I think we nailed both requirements, and finally being able to see it in person, in a hat, well, that was cool moment. :oops:

Ok, on to the hat. Wow! Is that soft! I knew going into it that being beaver, it wouldn't be as floppy as my rabbit hat, but I was unprepared for how buttery soft the feel of the felt is. I don't even want to know how long you spend pouncing this felt; I just know that it feels great!
The fit is spot on with a bit of play in the sweatband for it to shrink to fit. By the way, I did check out the stitching and it's really fine, nice work.

Color. At first, I was a little concerned that the hat looked just a bit too dark. Until I saw it outside. In sunlight, it warms right up to an awesome shade of brown with a touch of red; just like the felt of an Adventurebilt hat (in fact, if anyone out there that has an Adventurebilt and a Penman, could you compare felt thickness and color between the two. I have a feeling the felts might turn out to be closer than anybody suspects. Perhaps even the same?) Not only that, but as I understand it, this color was chosen as it would also mellow and lighten slightly with age into the perfect shade brown seen in Raiders.

And speaking of the perfect shade of brown, let's move on to the ribbon and bow. Perfect! The bow is awesome and John, I think you nailed it! It looks as if it could have been on Harrison's fedora as opposed to mine. The ribbon is a thing of beauty. Dark almost black, brown. It's just dead right, and it's exactly the same ribbon as on my Mags HJ. The only thing I can assume is that somehow you actually sourced the vintage ribbon just as Steve and Marc did. That's really the only answer, and bravo to you for finding it. I'll bet that was a real pain to track down. Good Indy hats are often brought down by a crappy ribbon, and your hats, made with that ribbon, puts you in an exclusive club with Steve and Marc being the only other members. ;-)

Block. Here is another area in which the Penman hat excels. Now, I've been wearing and scrutinizing this hat since receiving it and the only conclusion I can reach regarding the block shape of this hat is that it shares the same block shape, quirks and all, with my Mags/AB/HJ. A hat that was made using Steve's old Raiders block.

So...let's see, Adventurebilt felt? Vintage HJ ribbon? Oh yeah, same block shape as my HJ? No wonder it's a great hat, it's practically an Adventurebilt. But that stuff is only part of what makes a great hat. The rest, the craftsmanship, is all John. He put it together with all the care and attention to detail that I would expect from a hatter of no less than Steve and Marc's prowess, and I would easily throw this hat into the ring as a true successor to Adventurebilt USA when Steve retires. Not bad for a hatter who made his first hat in May! :whip:

Thanks again for my fantastic hat John! I love wearing it!

Johnny

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:46 am
by Mitch LaRue
Well, THAT did it!
THOSE words just pushed me over the cliff as far as waiting to order my next fedora from Penman hats goes!
Johnny, that dissection of every part of what I look for in a hat worked for me on so many levels that I can no longer push back how soon I order from John again!

I've already ordered a Raiders Grey Clipper from him - I don't even HAVE it yet (not overdue, everything's on schedule) and I'm waiting patiently - but NOW I'm counting the days until I can place an Order that says
"Can you do for me what you did for Johnny - except in a 7&3/8?"

If I don't own a Penman in Raiders Brown there's gonna be something seriously MISSING from my Hat Collection!
I'm still committed to finishing saving for my Steve's Adventurebilt (I know John would probably endorse that plan for me anyway...) but the MINUTE THAT hat is ordered I am officially saving for one of those handsome lids (and with my birthday at the end of this month and a standing "Money Only" understanding amongst family maaaaybe that won't be TOO far off after all...)

Thanks again for a GREAT read, Johnny (and s demure and tasteful Artistic flair)!

All the Best,
Mitch

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:09 am
by Johnny Fedora
Thanks Mitch! I wrote that (and this) while falling asleep no less.

As for saving up for an Adventurebilt, good call. I'm of the mindset now that I should have three brown Indy fedoras. My Mags/AB HJ (my baby) for my ultimate Raiders replica, an Adventurebilt made by Steve: Crystal Skull, of course, and my Penman for...the future? ;-)Indy V anyone?

Johnny

P.S. Oh yeah, I also need a Clipper Grey Penman. You know, for traveling.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:10 am
by Dutch_jones
so its basically an AB at the old price withouth 12 month wait?

Dang ! People shouldbe all over this!

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:14 am
by Johnny Fedora
:-k Yup. :whip:

Johnny

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:20 am
by Dutch_jones
I think it won't be long until they announce their third hat maker to make up the long wait times;)

Summation and Adventurebilt Comparison

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:43 pm
by Johnny Fedora
Dutch_jones wrote:so its basically an AB at the old price withouth 12 month wait?

Dang ! People shouldbe all over this!
No kidding. :whip: My guess here is that John won't officialy go one hundred percent on record with alot of the details that go into this hat out of his (very well placed) respect for his mentors/teachers. Two master hatters who have helped guide him in his new venture and aided him every step of the way (except with sourcing the ribbon. That, I think they made him do on his own). But as a customer providing a review to my community I have to call a spade a spade (hopfully John will forgive my observations :oops: ), when I say that the Penman Hat Co. is truly turning out a product that is (and read this carefully) second only to Adventurebilt, and the only thing that seperates the two companies is the name and expertise of Steve and Marc. With all due respect to all of COW's hatters, Adventurebilt has been the gold standard in our hobby (and even my beloved HJ was hand made by Steve Delk), and The Penman Hat Co. is it's child. Felt, sweat, ribbon and blockshapes don't lie. If you can afford an Adventurebilt buy one (I keep trying to save for one myself), but if you can't, by a Penman. The value is almost prepostrus. John's skills has a hatter are growing, and the materials he's using are in the opinion of this reviewer, the exact same materials and tools (AB's original blocks) as go into a hat made by Steve Delk (Marc's materials are of course diffrent).

Somthing else to take into concideration, Fedora has said this about making the hats for Indiana V...
Fedora wrote:If there was to be another film, I am NOT interested. We made the CS fedora. Let another hatter get some perks.
Now Bernie has said that one of the reasons he went with AB was that they were stateside, John is not only stateside but on the west coast. With his proximity to LA, the same felt (which Bernie loved), same ribbon, nearly the same blockshape (the CS block is somewhat diffrent), and the help and instruction of the two men who made the CS fedora, who else might make the next lid for Indiana Jones? :-k :) Food for thought.

Johnny

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:49 pm
by BendingOak
First , let me sat That I'm very glade everyone here likes my hats.


JF, I don't even know where to start with you. You are very observant guy.

Somethings I can share with you all and somethings I can't. As for the ribbon. It's not like there is a name on this stuff ( vintage Hj Raider ribbon). To me it looks the same.

I do agree that the Adventurebilt line is the gold standard that both Steve and Marc has set and set the standard very high.

Both Steve and Marc have not only been supportive and helpful to me, I wouldn't be half the hat maker without them. I have studied their work time and time again. If I had you guys in front of me with one of their hats you would never look at a hat again the same way I admire these two gentlemen not only as hatters ( and in my book they are very best, hands down) but as human beings. They are very good people. I haven't found many like these two outside of the fire service and thats the highest complement I know.


As for Indy V , lets not get carried away here . I'll be happy making hats on a regular basses so I don't have to pump gas for a living.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:05 pm
by DR Ulloa
Johnny, that was exactly what I though upon recieving my Penman. Now, I can't compare felts, but I know someone who owns a Rabbit AB and the craftstmanship of the Penman is definately on par with Steve's work. The ribbon - identical! This is essentially an AB made by John. Now, that is not to put down the Penman, it is its own hat, it is, however, a testament to the pure greatness of the Penman. I am currently saving for another Penman and I don't think that event hat second one will be my last hat from John. Successor to Steve? You bet your ### John is! And as far as Penman being Indy's new hat - as far as I am concerned, if Steve and Marc don't make it, it better be John; anything else is unacceptable. :twisted:

Dave

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:05 pm
by Mitch LaRue
Hear, hear!
:whip: :whip:

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:45 am
by jacksdad
I don't have mine yet, I'm waiting for John to make it, and I just cannot wait. :) I agree if there is an Indy V John should make the hat, and I hope he does.

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:45 pm
by BendingOak
Here a hat that I made for a customer and he measured wrong. It has Raiders specs and 22 3/4 inches. Asking 250 USA dollars. PM me if your interested. No wait time on this one.

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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:48 pm
by BendingOak
I have had a couple of people give me their head measurements based off of hat sizing charts. This has caused a problem with those people getting hats that don't fit. Even when they sent me a measurement in inches it really was from a hat size chart and not really taken from their own head.

My hats are custom fitted and not mad to fit off the rack. My blocks are custom made for the sizes I wanted. They are not standard size. I'm trying to make everyone happy but I can't remake hats for people when they make a mistake like this.


If you normally wear a size 7 3/8 and know that I want sizes in inches don't go to a web site and to some size chart and look up 7 3/8 and get that in inches and give it to me. It wont work. I need a true measurement from your own head.


I hope this is clear. I'm sorry for the rant.


I have a open crown Raiders brown brand new with the head measurement of 22 3/4. If you would like to buy this hat contact me. No wait time at all.

thanks again
John