Raiders jacket examined.....

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:53 pm

Few would know this, but after the jacket from Raiders was examined and photographed by G&B and Indy Gear personnel, were there any surviving photos of the jacket that could be posted here?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:29 pm

iirc, _ was not allowed to take pics and therefore wrote down all his observations.

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:35 pm

Ok, thanks for the info.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:41 pm

ya, from what I've heard, the jackets were destroyed and therefore only hand written accounts were kept.

NIBS

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:47 pm

knibs7 wrote:ya, from what I've heard, the jackets were destroyed and therefore only hand written accounts were kept.

NIBS

_ has documented that the hero jacket survives along with two others, one of them being Leonard's which I believe was used in the initial G&B creation.

If you read Indyfan's archive, _ worked really hard to obtain access to this jacket. Although he wasn't alone in the process, he deserves a lot of credit and leeway.

His word is his bond as far as I'm concerned and if he says "Left Pocket was measured X" then I don't need photographic proof to believe him.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:49 pm

Love the new avatar, Cassidy. I know exactly where it's from.

The Raiders jacket _ examined was not destroyed. It was in a private collection. I'm not sure anybody knows where it is now.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:51 pm

agent5 wrote:Love the new avatar, Cassidy. I know exactly where it's from.

The Raiders jacket _ examined was not destroyed. It was in a private collection. I'm not sure anybody knows where it is now.

Thanks dude, and thanks for the clarification.

Was the jacket that _ examined Leonard's jacket which was later auctioned off? This would be the Wilson's jacket IIRC...?

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:00 pm

Vic Armstrong and Terry Leonard reportedly kept their jackets. A jacket was given to the Smithsonian, and 2 were auctioned. Also the Hero jacket is with Lucas.

Apparently, of the two auctioned, one was won by a fan/collector in WA, the jacket used by Terry Leonard. This one became the proto for G&B? I have wondered if one of the two auctioned was a Martin Grace jacket? Interesting that Ford did not keep one of his.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:32 pm

Cassidy wrote:
agent5 wrote:Love the new avatar, Cassidy. I know exactly where it's from.

The Raiders jacket _ examined was not destroyed. It was in a private collection. I'm not sure anybody knows where it is now.
Thanks dude, and thanks for the clarification.

Was the jacket that _ examined Leonard's jacket which was later auctioned off? This would be the Wilson's jacket IIRC...?

Somewhere here, Paterson said that the one (or one of the ones) Terry had was “obtained” before he left the set.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:37 pm

You can clearly see a two piece gusset in some of these. You can also see that unlike Ford’s, the zipper doesn’t go up to the top.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:45 pm

Did Ford's jacket have gussets?

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:48 pm

indyrocks wrote:Did Ford's jacket have gussets?

It had at least a one piece gusset. Nobody as of yet has been able to confirm a two piece gusset on the hero jacket.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:49 pm

If you choose gussets on a Wested custom does it have a one or two piece?

SpeedRcrX · Post by **SpeedRcrX** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:16 am

one piece !

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:39 am

Is there a film shot/behind the scenes pic that clearly shows that Ford's jacket had gussets? Or has it been confirmed through a different source?

Do gussets greatly affect the way the jacket fits? My Westeds do not have gussets and I never gave it much thought...

Post by **Mike** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:13 am

There is the famous "STARS" photo that shows Ford wearing a double-gussetted jacket.

And to clarify, the jacket in the Smithsonian is from LC.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:26 am

Mike wrote:There is the famous "STARS" photo that shows Ford wearing a double-gussetted jacket.

And to clarify, the jacket in the Smithsonian is from LC.

Thanks Marosey, do you know how to find that pic?

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:49 am

indyrocks wrote:
Mike wrote:There is the famous "STARS" photo that shows Ford wearing a double-gussetted jacket.

And to clarify, the jacket in the Smithsonian is from LC.
Thanks Marosey, do you know how to find that pic?

Marosy should, he's posted it before in old threads which I just searched to find it.

Mike, the picture no longer links so do you think you could upload it again if you still have it? A Google search was unfruitful!

C.

*One of your old posts said you'd make it a part of the new site layout. Tee hee!

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:51 am

Thanks for the help Cassidy! I couldn't find it on google either...

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:55 am

There's better versions out there...Agent 5 must have one.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:59 am

Thanks Cassidy! Do those gussets affect the way the jacket looks on you or just how easily you can move your arms?

Kaplan · Post by **Kaplan** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:06 pm

that bag strap doesn't have a buckle. I never noticed that.

Post by **Mike** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:07 pm

Cassidy wrote:Mike, the picture no longer links so do you think you could upload it again if you still have it?

Panic ensued there for a minute as that thing's been around since '03. I thought it might've been lost when I closed out my old earthlink account, but here goes.

…and yeah, now that I've found it, I'll have to put it up to the new site.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:24 pm

indyrocks wrote:Thanks Cassidy! Do those gussets affect the way the jacket looks on you or just how easily you can move your arms?

I've had jackets with and without and wouldn't say that gussets affect the look, but definitely improve mobility and the overall comfort of the jacket.

If you search for "Gussets" in the Jacket section there's a ton of great info but you've been around here long enough to know what came out of that debate.

Cheers.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:56 pm

Cassidy wrote:
indyrocks wrote:Thanks Cassidy! Do those gussets affect the way the jacket looks on you or just how easily you can move your arms?
I've had jackets with and without and wouldn't say that gussets affect the look, but definitely improve mobility and the overall comfort of the jacket.

If you search for "Gussets" in the Jacket section there's a ton of great info but you've been around here long enough to know what came out of that debate.

Cheers.

I do know

actually. I just figured some fresh input is always good. I recently bought my first new Wested since 2003 and loved the leather so much I ordered a second. I had never given much thought to gussets anyway. Thanks for digging up the pic though!

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:07 pm

That "bag strap" is also really wide, like 1 1/4". Lee Keppler believes as I do that it wasn't a screen used bag strap but something thrown on there for the photoshoot. Looks like a belt.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:21 pm

i wouldn't call it a"bag strap".......cuz there's no bag

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:06 pm

I'm sure there is a bag there.....It's just behind him.

CM · Post by CM » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:55 pm

Cassidy wrote:

There's better versions out there...Agent 5 must have one.

I've said this before (please don't get angry, people) that STARS jacket may not be the hero jacket but another one worn for publicity. It seems to me that the pockets on this one are larger than the hero jacket's. What do others think?

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:03 pm

A vendor said that after two of the screen used Raiders jackets had been examined, the jacket linings were made of rayon, while the generally accepted fact was that the lining was cotton, or as 'cotton selesia'. Does anyone have a take on that? Some clarity needed.

In the autographed photo above, the lining almost looks shiny?

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:18 pm

The autographed picture isn't a good indicator, the contrast and colour levels are wrong.

TheMechanic · Post by **TheMechanic** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:54 pm

Here's the bigger pic showing the armpit gusset- looks like it might be a 2 piece like the G&B.

As for large pockets, check this out-

Texan Scott · Post by **Texan Scott** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:52 pm

Mike wrote:There is the famous "STARS" photo that shows Ford wearing a double-gussetted jacket.

And to clarify, the jacket in the Smithsonian is from LC.

...explains why I kept coming up with 6 jackets, instead of 5. I kept wondering how the Smithsonian jacket worked into the picture.

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:00 am

Texan Scott wrote:
Mike wrote:There is the famous "STARS" photo that shows Ford wearing a double-gussetted jacket.

And to clarify, the jacket in the Smithsonian is from LC.
...explains why I kept coming up with 6 jackets, instead of 5. I kept wondering how the Smithsonian jacket worked into the picture.

Not really your fault. The Smithsonian is one of those organizations guilty of not differentiating between each Indiana Jones film.

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:09 am

CM wrote:
Cassidy wrote:

There's better versions out there...Agent 5 must have one.
I've said this before (please don't get angry, people) that STARS jacket may not be the hero jacket but another one worn for publicity. It seems to me that the pockets on this one are larger than the hero jacket's. What do others think?

So what is STARS? I just always assumed this was a publicity pic. I'd love to get a decent resolution print of it to frame.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:19 am

It was a hardback book that came out back in the early 1980's. That shot was on the back cover.
I have a copy buried out in one of my boxes in the garage.

Regards! Michaelson

Cassidy · Post by **Cassidy** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:21 am

Michaelson wrote:It was a hardback book that came out back in the early 1980's. That shot was on the back cover.
I have a copy buried out in one of my boxes in the garage.

Regards! Michaelson

I think they've also used the photo in some magazines and there HAS to be an 8x10 somewhere out there!

Post by **Mike** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:52 pm

There was also a STARS calendar, using the same shots. Most of the publicity shots were black and white, and the best color shot has been in the STARS publications, thus we've pretty much dubbed it the "STARS photo". Not an official title.

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:04 pm

Mike wrote:There was also a STARS calendar, using the same shots. Most of the publicity shots were black and white, and the best color shot has been in the STARS publications, thus we've pretty much dubbed it the "STARS photo". Not an official title.

Was STARS the publisher or title? Or both?

btw I am excused for derailing the thread because I posted a thread before on this picture and no one answered.

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:24 pm

Probably because this question has come up so many times, folks thought it could be ferreted out with the search function rather than discussing it yet again.

Personally, I don't recall you asking before, so, I'm sorry it was missed.

The name of the book was 'Stars'.

Regards! Michaelson

ANZAC_1915 · Post by **ANZAC_1915** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:56 pm

Michaelson wrote:Probably because this question has come up so many times, folks thought it could be ferreted out with the search function rather than discussing it yet again.

Thanks! The problem was I didn't know the right word to search for other than "Indy whip publicity photo" which of course brings up a whole bunch o stuff.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:16 pm

Here ya go.

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Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:18 pm

nice small gussets. wested's 1 pc gusset would be 2 of these SA ones.....at least the ones that i've requested and received.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:37 pm

Indiana G wrote:nice small gussets. wested's 1 pc gusset would be 2 of these SA ones.....at least the ones that i've requested and received.

Hmmmm.....so Wested's 1 piece are large you're saying? Good thing I opted to have none at all on my soon to arrive 98% SA Wested Raiders custom.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:28 pm

TheMechanic wrote:Here's the bigger pic showing the armpit gusset- looks like it might be a 2 piece like the G&B.

As for large pockets, check this out-

That second photo is a whole different jacket, surely, look how wide the storm flap is. I am fairly sure the publicity shots were put together with soem different gear.

indyrocks · Post by **indyrocks** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:29 pm

I'd have to agree with CM.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:41 pm

The second photo is an optical illustion. If the storm flap looks big and the pockets look big, ask yourself why? Methinks it's the dramatic, low camera angle. Also, that pic is a production still, not a publicity shot. There is a distinct difference between the two.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:51 pm

agent5 wrote:The second photo is an optical illustion. If the storm flap looks big and the pockets look big, ask yourself why? Methinks it's the dramatic, low camera angle. Also, that pic is a production still, not a publicity shot. There is a distinct difference between the two.

I don't think the angle explains the entire look myself, although it did occur to me.

Not to mention the fact that some alleged "production stills " are actually publicity stills, in that the actor has gone back to the spot with a photographer days after shooting to take some stills on the old location.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:01 pm

There is a set photographer who does nothing but take shots of all the actors and all the activity and going's on around the set all say and all night long. This is most likely where this shot came from.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:07 pm

agent5 wrote:There is a set photographer who does nothing but take shots of all the actors and all the activity and going's on around the set all say and all night long. This is most likely where this shot came from.

Sure. I worked in film and TV in the 1990's. I still think my hypothesis is possible. Who can say?