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Was the Smithsonian jacket actually in the movie or...
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:21 pm
by CM
Please only answer this if you know...
Was the jacket displayed actually used in LC? Is it part of a lot that didn't get used but WAS made for the film? Or is there another story to it? I'd also like to know if it wasn't used is it is an exact copy of one used in LC.
Cheers
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:20 am
by Michaelson
That's what I thought myself, _, but since I wasn't sure that my memory was right, I didn't post.
Thanks for re-setting that brain cell for me.
Regards! Michaelson
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:22 am
by Holt
you mean the LC jacket that we all know had backroom distressing...
this one?
Holt
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:28 am
by coronado3
They matched the distressing to the film jackets pretty closely!
C3
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:49 am
by Minnesota Jones
_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
That's what I get for assuming.... I was not aware of that, I stand corrected!
Thank's for the info my friend!
Jacket and Fedora at the Smithsonian
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:31 am
by St. Dumas
Indiana Holt wrote:you mean the LC jacket that we all know...backroom distressing...ah man
this one?
No, that's not the Smithsonian one.
SD
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:16 pm
by Holt
ok thanks.
suddenly I noticed that the pocket size are different on both the LC jackets..
or is it just me?
Holt
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:34 pm
by CM
Indiana Holt wrote:ok thanks.
suddenly I noticed that the pocket size are different on both the LC jackets..
or is it just me?
Holt
No, you're right. But even if the jacket you have shown was in the movie -I have yet to see any screen captures with those narrow pocket flaps. They all look like the ones in the Smithsonian.
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:35 pm
by CM
_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
Thanks for that... when you say archives... I'm assuming that you mean LC archives? Or not...
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:38 pm
by Michaelson
He means the Lucasfilm,Skywalker ranch warehouse, also referred to as the 'archives'.
Regards! Michaelson
What's the point?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:48 pm
by Chewing Wax
_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
That's like if Archy Bunker's chair wasn't the one Carroll O'Connor sat in on the set. I don't see what the point of having that jacket on display is. Do they say it isn't the one worn in the movie?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:01 pm
by Holt
those bigger pockets and those narrow flaps remind me very much of the pockets Peter makes today on his standard wested
Holt
Re: What's the point?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:02 am
by CM
Chewing Wax wrote:_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
That's like if Archy Bunker's chair wasn't the one Carroll O'Connor sat in on the set. I don't see what the point of having that jacket on display is. Do they say it isn't the one worn in the movie?
Well yeah... they coudl have hung my jacket in there... However, it may have been one made for LC that was not used. Does anyone know?
Re: What's the point?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:17 am
by Minnesota Jones
Chewing Wax wrote:_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
That's like if Archy Bunker's chair wasn't the one Carroll O'Connor sat in on the set. I don't see what the point of having that jacket on display is. Do they say it isn't the one worn in the movie?
Don't forget, they ALSO state that the Jacket and Hat both (or just the Jacket?) were ALSO in Raiders, besides LC... we've told them many times it was an LC Jacket (distressing, storm flap snaps, etc), but they've refused to change the sign...
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:27 am
by Michaelson
From an article I read yesterday, a LOT of their displays are labeled wrong.
Regards! Michaelson
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:44 am
by Tennessee Smith
Michaelson wrote:From an article I read yesterday, a LOT of their displays are labeled wrong.
Regards! Michaelson
Well, it is federally funded
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:46 am
by Michaelson
Regards! Michaelson
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:24 am
by myamoebafriend
What about that hat? Is that LC as well, because that's what it looks the most like to me.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:45 am
by Bruce Wayne
the hat is a DP
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:38 pm
by Trebor
Michaelson wrote:From an article I read yesterday, a LOT of their displays are labeled wrong.
Regards! Michaelson
You got a link to that article? Sounds interesting.
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:47 pm
by Michaelson
I did back in April when I wrote that response. It's no longer a live link.
Regards! Michaelson
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:28 pm
by DanielJones
So if the jacket is an "archive" item I presume the hat is too. Made for the film but never used. Interesting.
Cheers!
Dan
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:27 pm
by TheMechanic
They couldn't have found a screen used jacket to give to the Smithsonian?? Where did they all go? There must be 100 jackets from all the movies out there somewhere.
Also, why bother archiving the jackets? (if that's what they're doing with them.) It's not like they hang onto them to copy for the next movie. If that was the case all of his jackets would have looked like the Raiders jacket.
Who knows.
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:29 pm
by Michaelson
Why? Who knows, but I've seen footage shot in the Skywalker ranch warehouse, and Lucas has RACKS of used Indy jackets and boxes FULL of used HJ's from the films in storage.
Regards! Michaelson
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:58 pm
by St. Dumas
Michaelson wrote:... I've seen footage shot in the Skywalker ranch warehouse, and Lucas has RACKS of used Indy jackets and boxes FULL of used HJ's from the films in storage.
Hmm. This sounds familiar. He better not be covertly manufacturing a clone army or something.
SD
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:58 pm
by Michaelson
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:19 pm
by Holt
this is from the archives
here is an original LC jacket...just cant see wich one this is...I dont think this is the smithsonian jacket.I think its the hero jacket
bests
Holt
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:32 pm
by CM
Indiana Holt wrote:this is from the archives
here is an original LC jacket...just cant see wich one this is...I dont think this is the smithsonian jacket.I think its the hero jacket
bests
Holt
Where's that from, holt? Who is it and when and why???
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:58 pm
by Holt
this is Dave Crowther at Lucasfilm Archives in Marin county during spring break of 1991.
he is a friend of Don Bies who is an archivist at skywalker ranch.
He arranged for a small group of people to have a private, unguided and open tour of the archives.
bests
Holt
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:24 pm
by CM
Wow. That's amazing. Thanks. Any more photos like it?
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:29 pm
by Tennessee Smith
The Indy Jacket and Acid-Washed Jeans... Oh the Horror... the horror....
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:09 pm
by St. Dumas
What's that guy from "Office Space" doing in the Lucasfilm archives?
SD
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:39 pm
by ichnob
Tennessee Smith wrote:The Indy Jacket and Acid-Washed Jeans... Oh the Horror... the horror....
The year was 1991. Times were simpler back then, and fashion was still adjusting from the 80s era...
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:07 pm
by Holt
allways when I looked at this picture I never got the impression that this jacket is made from lambskin..it looks so much thicker...it looks like a cow hide..
alltough Peter tells me that all the LC jackets were made from Lamb....
bests
Holt
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:46 pm
by CM
Indiana Holt wrote:allways when I looked at this picture I never got the impression that this jacket is made from lambskin..it looks so much thicker...it looks like a cow hide..
alltough Peter tells me that all the LC jackets were made from Lamb....
bests
Holt
In the film in most shots it looks cow as well. But it's more like a G&B thick lamb. When the film came out my friends and I all thought that the jacket was made of bike leather...
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:52 pm
by McFly
CM wrote:In the film in most shots it looks cow as well. But it's more like a G&B thick lamb. When the film came out my friends and I all thought that the jacket was made of bike leather...
Well that's just silly... they passed a law in 1987 prohibiting the killing and skinning of bikes!
I think it looks like cow too (and actually I've always just assumed that it was!!)... but if Peter says lamb, then it must have been lamb!
Shane
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:40 am
by Indiana Strones
_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
Sorry, I don't agree. I think that the jacket was used, and the proof is in this production photo. As you can see, it's the same jacket.
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:41 pm
by Holt
yes you are absolutly right.
that jacket is worn by frod...allthough it may not have been appeared on screen but it IS worn by Ford.I can see the details
you have a great eye for detail
bests
Holt
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:12 pm
by St. Dumas
Cool. Check out the collar placement on the storm flap. That's different from some of the other photos from the film. Nice to see that confirmation.
SD
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:39 pm
by Tollan
Indiana Holt wrote:allways when I looked at this picture I never got the impression that this jacket is made from lambskin..it looks so much thicker...it looks like a cow hide..
alltough Peter tells me that all the LC jackets were made from Lamb....
bests
Holt
This is very true... BUT... if you look at the scene on the beach check out how the leather flaps in the wind around Fords chest after Connery does his bird trick. You can really see there how thin the leather is. Ahhhh.... the illusion of film
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:17 pm
by Indiana Strones
Indiana Holt wrote:
that jacket is worn by frod...allthough it may not have been appeared on screen but it IS worn by Ford.
Yes, and I would love to have this baby in my wardrobe...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:04 pm
by Treadwell
Sure that pic isn't of Vic Armstrong?
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:28 pm
by Holt
yeah sure.that's Ford
Holt
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:46 pm
by Odo
Indiana Holt wrote:this is from the archives
here is an original LC jacket...just cant see wich one this is...I dont think this is the smithsonian jacket.I think its the hero jacket
bests
Holt
And what about the linning in this jacket? Is it satin linning, or am I wrong?
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:51 pm
by Holt
yes that is the black silky linnen that you see on screen
Holt
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:55 pm
by CM
Indiana Strones wrote:_ wrote:The jacket in the display was not ever used during production. In fact, when the donation was made, they pulled the jacket from the archives and it had not even been distressed. Somebody from the property room did it with sandpaper and they shipped it off to Washington...
Sorry, I don't agree. I think that the jacket was used, and the proof is in this production photo. As you can see, it's the same jacket.
That's amazing... well done. Now is that teh Smithsonian jacket or the one from the Chicago display? Or are they the same jacket?
Cheers
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:55 pm
by Holt
here is the rest of the picture.
the smithsonian jacket worn by Ford and the hero jacket worn by the boss himself
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:33 am
by Indiana Strones
Yes, from this photo you can see another detail: the vertical distressing 'stripe' along the left sleeve.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:01 am
by CM
I don't think this display jacket is the Smithsonian jacket we're looking at. The one on display here (not being worn) is probably from the Chicago display. If you source other Smithsonain photos, you'll see that those markings are not present.
Cheers
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:19 am
by Indiana Strones
CM wrote:I don't think this display jacket is the Smithsonian jacket we're looking at. The one on display here (not being worn) is probably from the Chicago display. If you source other Smithsonain photos, you'll see that those markings are not present.
Cheers
No, I don't agree. Look at this official Smithsonian photo. It's the same jacket.
