what is sa?

manu7 · Post by **manu7** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:15 pm

can not tell from watching and havent seen any stills that show it well. what is the side straps on the raiders jacket hooked with? ive seen both sliders and rings on jackets that both claim to be the most screen accurate. which is it?

IndigoJuliet · Post by **IndigoJuliet** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:23 pm

sa:- A hobby for the insane to try and replicate an apperance that acutally changes from location to location, moive to moive and shoot to shoot. Also frustrated by the numerous copies of clothes and equipment, made to look like one article, but due to quality control take on thier own character and apperance.

In Short: SA is what makes you happy with what YOU have seen, any other attempt leads to medication or costly help.

hollywood1340 · Post by **hollywood1340** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:36 pm

^+1 HUZZZAHH!

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:11 pm

Well said IndigoJuliet.

Weston

Hunter Jones · Post by **Hunter Jones** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:32 pm

True SA is impossible without several hundred thousand $/£/€ in plastic surgery.

Castor Dioscuri · Post by **Castor Dioscuri** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:32 pm

manu7 wrote:can not tell from watching and havent seen any stills that show it well. what is the side straps on the raiders jacket hooked with? ive seen both sliders and rings on jackets that both claim to be the most screen accurate. which is it?

I believe that sliders are SA for the Raiders jackets, while D-rings were used for the Last Crusade jackets.

Rom Hunter · Post by **Rom Hunter** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:46 pm

Black rectangular sliders or black rectangular tri-glides will do nicely for a Raiders jacket.

manu7 · Post by **manu7** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:15 pm

thanks for all the input and yea i do agree to be completely sa will drive you insane. just hate being told one think and find out its something else.

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:32 pm

One of the problems we have on this board is that people use the wrong terms to describe stuff. The only thing that has been documented for a Raiders jacket is black rectangular loops (not sliders). Some on this board have other ideas as to what it was, but I believe everything else is unsubstantiated. Some of the confusion might also come from the fact that at least some of the TOD jackets had pronged buckles. LC on CS jackets have D-rings.

Most hatters “crease” hats. Where we came up with the term “bash” I’ll never know.

Weston · Post by **Weston** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:20 am

Rundquist, I would bet that the term "bash" comes from the vendors of australian hats. Akubra hats have been supplying Indy fans since before the Federation model, and their catalogs and websites have always had a tutorial on how to "bash your Akubra". The same thing happens with "poppers" and "crackers" for bullwhips. The Aussie word for it, "cracker", just has more zazz than "popper".

Weston

Post by **Holt** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:03 am

the thing that is the most important for me when it comes to an SA jacket is the pleats not beieng to beep.the standard cut has toooo deep pleats,wich really buggs me.I asked peter if he could narrow them down to SA look.wich he did.now I love my standard goat jacket.

the other thing for a SA raiders jacket is the rectangular sliders.the standard lamb that Peter offers come with D-rings...wich is NOT SA.they are LC.

when you have the pleats narrowed down to SA look and changed the D-rings in to rectangulars you have a pretty nice looking SA jacket in my opinion.

if you wat a dead ringer for the film jacket be prepared to go nuts!
the only jacket you will end up with is a straight mental jacket...
and that my friend is not so very SA....

no seriously you will have to look at the film and see what YOU find SA.what YOU want in the jacket.I know what I want,and I dont take it any further then that.but be sure to find a jacket with good drape in it.lamb is the best for good draping.goat too after breaking it in,and goat is VERY strong

bests
Holt

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:02 pm

Screen accurate to a specific jacket used on set or a scene can be one thing, but total screen accuracy to any of the movies will be practically impossible. Raiders had 10 jackets or so for example. Each one a little different from the next. One has gussets, another doesn't. And so on. The vendors we have (Wested, USWings, Flightsuits, Magnoli, Todd's, etc.) all have the main features of the jacket we can identify with (action pleats, cargo pockets, bucket cuffs, etc.), but it's very hard off of just photos and screen captures to get the details exact. The Flightsuit was based on an actual screen used jacket that was seen in person. The US Wings uses slightly tweaked patterns from the Cooper Jackets that were in ToD. Weated still has patterns from their movie jackets as well. So they're all in the same boat for as close to S.A. as we'll get as a consumer. Some you can have mods done and tweak them slightly to closer resemble one scene or another. But again, what one person sees can be something else to someone else.

And we won't even start on the distressing factor....

And as they say, what's S.A. on Harrison Ford may not "look" S.A. on someone else due to height, weight, body shape, etc.

It's a mixed bag and S.A. is a term that can get very heated around here. My personal advise is all the vendors we list make a very good Indy Jacket (off the rack so to speak), all with the right details to make 99.9% of people out there happy. Just pick the right jacket for YOU and be happy with it.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:34 pm

Granted, there may have been 10 jackets made for Raiders, but I agree with Platon that the same hero jacket was used for most of the shots. There would have been stunt-specific jackets used for the water and fight scenes (the latter with gussets), but most of the time Ford was wearing the same jacket. Personally, I think the fit of the jacket on the wearer is the key to a SA look.

I think that for TOD, for example, the tailoring of the sleeves and the cut of the jacket under the armpits are the big thing that would make it look SA.

SD

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:43 pm

Also remember in ToD that the jacket seen was a combination of Cooper jackets created for ToD and reused Raider's (Wested/Leather Concessionaires) jackets as well. And they both were a bit different from each other.

DoubleOhSeven · Post by **DoubleOhSeven** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:57 pm

Something I learned upon entering the world of Indy Gear is that there are acronyms for EVERYTHING!

And I thought the military had a bunch. Some of the ones I've learned over the last few months are:

SA - Screen Accurate
RoLA - Raiders of the Lost Ark
ToD - Temple of Doom
LC - Last Crusade
KoTCS - Kingdom of The Crystal Skull
IJ - Indiana Jones
HJ - Herbert Johnson
AB - AdventureBilt
JFK - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
L/S - Lucas/Speilberg
GD- Grail Diary
DD - DareDevil (also a very nice cup size!)
HF - Harrison Ford
Fed - abbreviation for an Akubra Federation. Also slang for an employee of the Federal government law enforcement.
Fed Dx - abbreviation for an Akubra Federation Deluxe. Kinda sounds like a double burger with fries.
IM - Indy Magnoli. Or Instant Messenger. Or Infinite Mathematics.
DP - Dorfman Pacific. Also porn slang for...well...umm..nevermind.
PB (and J?) - Peter Brothers
TSJ - Todd's Standard Jacket

and the list goes on......

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:03 pm

LOL!

Post by **Holt** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:09 pm

and Holt for Holt

bests
Holt

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:28 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:and Holt for Holt

bests
Holt

Every second word in your post is "Holt" - very strange...

MJ - yes, another acronym!

Post by **Holt** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:48 pm

Minnesota Jones wrote:
Indiana Holt wrote:and Holt for Holt

bests
Holt
Every second word in your post is "Holt" - very strange...

MJ - yes, another acronym!

yes.I did not relize that before you pointed that out.

LOL

bests
Holt

Shtick · Post by **Shtick** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:51 pm

Those are some fine TLAs you have listed.

(Three Letter Acronyms)

DoubleOhSeven · Post by **DoubleOhSeven** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:14 pm

Indiana Holt wrote:and Holt for Holt

bests
Holt

Heh heh, right, there's not a whole lot we can acronym "Holt" with.

-007

rbhest71 · Post by **rbhest71** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:28 pm

Hello guys, nice to meet you all. I have been reading the posts on this site for a long time and it amazes me of what you guys consider “SA”. We all know that there were several movie Jackets that were different lengths, various collars shapes and sizes, different size pockets, straps, buckles and press snaps. Color and cut are another story. For example (Authentic brown) looks “SA” when you’re out side on a sunny day in the shade. How about when you’re in an office full of florescent lighting (YUCK), that’s very limited “SA”. (Dark brown) looks black without ambient lighting. Maybe “SA” should stand for (Scene Accurate), because it constantly changes from one look to another.
In my opinion unless you’re wearing full Indy garb that’s distressed to death and covered with dirt looked at through the magic of film and on Harrison Ford, nothing really looks screen accurate.
Don’t get me wrong, a lot of you sport a really nice jacket. Some…well you may actually look better in an 80’s cut Members Only.
So take my advice, buy a jacket that fits you comfortable that you like and forget the whole (do you think I look like Indiana Jones in this jacket?). You will save a lot of time, energy and embarrassment. This may even get jacket manufactures back to producing products without mess-ups and confusion.

Just thoughts...

~rbhest71

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:55 pm

Well said.

And welcome!

Post by **Holt** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:24 pm

first,welcome

second I agree with what you just said.well putt

bests
Holt

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