"new" US Wings jacket? UPATE!!!!!! 3/01

Trebor · Post by **Trebor** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:41 am

Earlier I stumbled across a discussion of a new U.S. Wings jacket with a different lining. I understand the jacket is not out yet. I wanted to read those posts again, but I've gone through the forum and I can't find them.

Any help?

Also, anyone have any updates on when U.S. Wings will have these for sale or any other details?

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:54 am

viewtopic.php?t=25422

Did you read all the way through this one?

No news yet, but it wasn't supposed to go to the factory for discussion until last Wednesday, so I'm not surprised.

Regards! Michaelson

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:57 am

SA left handed zipper please! (Runs for cover).

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:03 pm

Plenty of room under the Plymouth, KT!

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:05 pm

Well, there was this exchange from the thread I linked above.

I, too, emailed Sgt hack with this info:

Quote:
Hey Sgt. Hack!

Michaelson from Club Obi Wan informed the forum that you were interested in some changes in the Indy jacket line. One thing I can tell you for sure is that your jackets are second to none in the area of craftsmanship and materials! I have owned 3 of your jackets and each was tough as nails! I love the goat and I also own one of the Vintage Cowhide jackets.

The only area where they are lacking is in a few small details in the pattern.

1) The area where the collar meets the storm flap – It is screen accurate (for each movie) the collar stand to extend longer to the end of the storm flap and the collar itself to attach to the storm flap in the middle (see attached pics)

2) The back panel – currently, your jacket have the back panel not quite reaching out to the arm seams as it is in the film jackets. That would be a big improvement!!!! (photo included)

3) The poly batting between the lining and the skin is not necessary. It could be added as an option at a slightly higher cost (for cold weather wear)

4) And last, the upper arm on the current US Wings jackets tends to be over sized. I have an older US Wings jacket that has the tighter/better fitting upper arm.

If it would be possible to iron out those design issues, could see the US Wings jacket being the favorite of the indygear forum… And you know those guys (me included) buy a lot of jackets!

And i very quickly got this back:

Quote:
Hello Jeff,

I will set down with my Factory with your ideas.. Our Jackets are Union Made and made in the USA and Not farmed out to China.. Nor is the Lining. I want to come up with a Jacket that 99.9% like.. and that may be very hard to do... From what I understand the 1V Indy has a Vin. Cow and I will make the same But use My A-2 Cotton Lining Plus I may use your ideas as long as I don't rock the boat..

Regards,

Sgt. Hack

This is sounding good....
C3

Regards! Michaelson

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:31 pm

Sgt hack seems like a very cool guy and receptive to ideas of our forum!

C3

RockBottom · Post by **RockBottom** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:45 pm

My U.S. Wings A2 has the cotton lining. I like it a lot. Not as much as the Wested cotton body/satin sleeves, but much better than the polyester found in most non-authentic reproductions.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:44 pm

Great ideas, Michaelson.

Do you think Sgt. Hack would be open to making the smaller TOD pockets? Or is that too much of a major change?

SD

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:45 pm

Drop him a line and ask!

Regards! Michaelson

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:49 pm

...what the heck, while your at it, tell him Michaelson says "we want" a smaller yolk on the upper back!

Doug C

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:59 pm

May I remind you of his closing line above:

I may use your ideas as long as I don't rock the boat..

Regards,

Sgt. Hack

Just where that line is, I don't know.....

Regards! Michaelson

CM · Post by CM » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:39 pm

St. Dumas wrote:Great ideas, Michaelson.

Do you think Sgt. Hack would be open to making the smaller TOD pockets? Or is that too much of a major change?

SD

That would be fantastic.

Trebor · Post by **Trebor** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 pm

Thanks. I think I went through all the posts *except* that one when I was looking. Don't know how I missed that.

I'm going to have to e-mail Sgt Hack directly I think. I received a Signature Goatskin in XL that turned out to be a little too big. I arranged to get the same jacket in L to compare before I returned the XL. This way I can keep the one that fits best and return the other one.

The replacement in L won't arrive until next week. Now I'm wondering if I can get this new jacket instead.

Is his e-mail on the US Wings site, or can someone PM me with it?

Post by **Michaelson** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:55 am

info@uswings.com

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:23 pm

Just got word that a vintage goatskin and vintage cowhide with cotton lining is going into production as of today. The Signature U. S. made Wings jackets do not have the batting insulation, but apparently the Chinese contract sale jackets did.

Either contact Wings for availability, or watch their website for the annoucement.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:07 pm

AC, in my case, I honestly don't know.

As has been pointed out a couple of times above, he's taken suggestions from folks such as DougC, and will incorporate as many as he can 'without rocking the boat'. Not sure where that line is, or when it's crossed myself, so I guess we'll only know when a prototype shows up somewhere.

Regard! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:22 am

Latest news:

Here is the latest info... I will make only one Indy Jacket with a total Change!!It will be a Vintage Goat Skin with Cotton A-2 Lining and Yes I will use Suggestions....with the Body of the Jacket...We will run 100 to start with.. There is no doubt the Fans will flip out over this one.
My other styles will stay the same.. That is I will change the Lining on the Vintage Cow and put a cotton lining in it..
I think it will take us 6 weeks to gear up for this one....
Sarge

Regards! Michaelson

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:51 am

I bet the vintage goatskin will be awesome leather! As a matter of fact I feel that Wings offers some of the best leather and leather choices to be had, especially at their price point.

Doug C

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:18 pm

Interesting....Depending on how it looks. I may buy my first US Wings jacket. Hope they have my size, Small

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:05 pm

Hey does anyone know what poster Sgt. Hack is talking about giving away with each jacket purchase - would it be Indy IV ? If so.. wonder what connection was made to get these in stock, perhaps he helped supply some items ?

Doug C

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:52 pm

http://www.uswing.com/aviatn.asp#IJPOSTER

Looks like an LC image to me.

Regard! Michaelson

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:55 pm

... well.... who would've thought to look at the website anyway?

Doug C

Post by **Michaelson** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:02 pm

Not me!

Regards! Michaelson

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:38 am

This all sounds very interesting. I am going to watch this with great interest.

feathers73 · Post by **feathers73** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:53 pm

I have been conversing with him via email. He indicated the first jackets should be complete in about three weeks. He also stated that the weight of the Vin. Goat Skin is about half the weight of the Vin. Cow..

I have an older US wings goatskin. I like it but it weighs a ton. I would like something lighter so I am anxious to see what this one looks like. A nice Indy jacket that has the feel like your oldest pair of jeans. that would be nice.

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:36 am

Hmmm - I don't think I would like the feel of my oldest jeans..they chafe.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:59 am

Have you ever washed them, Nick?

Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:07 pm

A few of us have received photos of the new distressed goatskin, and as soon as one of us figure out how to post them, we'll show what they have.

The leather is sourced from Italy, and tanned in France. VERY nice looking stuff.

Regards! Michaelson

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:42 pm

Figure out how to post them?? Got to photobucket...upload em.....copy the IMG link below it and paste it here.......done. Email em to me and I'll have em up within 2 minutes.

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:52 am

I was thinking of buying another USW jacket! This news of of a vintage goatskin jacket is great! I'm seriously gonna buy one!

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:55 pm

Here is a shot of the new US wings Vinatage goat hide.

C3

Vegeta · Post by **Vegeta** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:31 am

Yuck.....guess I gotta see it as a jacket.

Arca Perdida · Post by **Arca Perdida** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:45 am

yeah, hard to tell from that piece. The color on the photo looks pretty awful. It's probably just the lighting, though. Not making any judgments based on that. Thanks for sharing, though.

St. Dumas · Post by **St. Dumas** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:59 am

Is that the inside of the hide?

SD

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:55 am

Nope... that is the ouside of the hide!

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:37 am

Michaelson wrote:
Vegeta wrote:Yuck.....guess I gotta see it as a jacket.

That's why I didn't ask anyone to post my photo for me. To often folks make a judgement of an upcoming jacket or piece of gear based on a photo of a piece of material. It's happened time after time with Wested and Wings jackets.

Just look at the material to see the example of what they have in the works, then make a judgement when you see a photo of a finished jacket.

Also keep in mind, as has been mentioned about, you're seeing total color bounce back from a harsh camera flash, which was done in order to show the distressing that was achieved for a goatskin hide. This is something everyone here constantly asks for, but very few have ever found or been able to create on their own.

Regards! Michaelson

Bemo · Post by **Bemo** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:50 am

The harsh flash probably does explain the orange/yellowish of the color in that picture. In daylight, after a nice treatment of Pecards.....

Peace.

Bemo

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:15 am

I first looked at that sample on my home computer and liked it alot better than the one I'm on now (work computer

), on this screen it has a harsh yellowed look while on my better home monitor it just had a nice russet tone. I for one love the graining, though my initial reaction is that it should be quite a bit darker. I still like it though and will probably be interested in getting one of these when the time comes.

Doug C

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:18 am

You know, it just dawned on me from this picture of the sample that it looks exactly like the "Vintage Goatskin" from the US Authentic Indy jacket...called the same also

Doug C

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:23 am

Look at Indy Magnoli's distressed goatskin jacket photos. You'll see something vaguely familiar too.

This specific leather, as I posted above, is from Italy, and tanned in France.

Regards! Michaelson

Post by **Michaelson** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:19 pm

I found this in my email box from over the weekend.

We took our Vin. Cow and then had a Vin. Goat made with the same color! As you know where this leather comes from... There is no better leather in the world! the lining is our A-2 Cotton.

This leather is custom made and can not be copied by others!!!

Sarge

So, it is the same color as the already existing predistressed cowhide that others have already seen, purchased, and sung the praises of here at the forum. It's also not the same source or material as sold by the other jacket makers mentioned above.

Regards! Michaelson

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:36 pm

This goat hide will look great in an indy jacket.... You have to realize that the photo of the sample is very close up with unusual lighting.

The color is pretty close to the authentic lamb color of westeds with a grainier texture, not to mention the fact that goat is a tougher and more adventure worthy material.

Can't wait to see the pics of the jacket with the design changes done in this hide

C3

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:53 pm

coronado3 wrote :

The color is pretty close to the authentic lamb color of westeds

You sure about that?

Doug C

coronado3 · Post by **coronado3** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:25 pm

I guess I should say "pretty close to the authentic lamb from wested that I owned" It was very light in color.

C3

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:35 am

binkmeisterRick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject:
Have you ever washed them, Nick? Wink

I never thought of that. That may explain a few things...

Post by **Michaelson** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:25 am

EEEwwwwwwww.

Regards! Michaelson

nicktheguy · Post by **nicktheguy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:03 pm

:evil:

indy89 · Post by **indy89** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:01 pm

Any news on this new jacket

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joeyofarimathea · Post by **joeyofarimathea** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:06 am

Kt Templar wrote:SA left handed zipper please! (Runs for cover).

just curious....how on earth can you tell the zipper is on the left?

and do any of the vendors offer the option of a left zipper?

thanks, joey

FLATHEAD · Post by **FLATHEAD** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:27 am

just curious....how on earth can you tell the zipper is on the left?

and do any of the vendors offer the option of a left zipper?

Its the zipper PULL that is on either the left or right hand side.

On jackets and other MENS clothing sold in the US, the zipper pull is on
the right hand side, so when you put the clothing on, you are zipping it
by grabbing the zipper PULL with your right hand, and zipping it up.

On alot of european clothing, the zipper PULL is on the left hand side,
so you are using your left hand to zip up the clothing.

Since Wested is in England, their standard is to have the zipper PULL on
the left hand side, and thats how the original Indy jackets were made,
and thats why you see it on screen that way.

Alot of people here in the US will ask for the zipper PULL to be on
the right hand, or amercian side, as some refer to it.

Flathead