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Out of curiousity, do you all suppose that the MkVIIs in Indy IV will be actual, vintage satchels? Or are they more likely to be replicas? I'd personally be surprised if they were to be vintage MKVIIs, considering that Indy is suppose to be all about history, and if they used vintage MKVIIs, the crew would be in effect destroying a part of history, no matter how small!

Any guesses?

My guess is nope. I think they have about gazillion satchels made and predistressed so they all look the same.

Is it even the same model as in any of the previous movies?

They used original Mk VIIs and Mk VI in the first three movies, I am sure they will use an original in this one too.

Perhaps a few of the ones that went for silly money on ebay recently were bought by the costume company?

I don't see why they couldn't use real bags. It's been stated before that there were millions of these bags made, so it means that there are still plenty of these bags floating about. If it's cheaper for them to get the real thing as opposed to creating new ones, I bet they'd be happy to go the cheaper route.

I would think that after Saving Private Ryan, Spielberg would have CRATES of them kickin around!

Here's another satchel related item for all those interested in Indy IV gear...



That buckle on the satchel's strap looks unique to Indy IV, as it's certainly not something that I've seen in any of the other Indy movies, nor are any of the current vendors (to my knowledge) offering this buckle.

It looks like it has two parts to it (or maybe just a V shaped single piece), and is that a roller on it?

To me, it seems like the V-shaped design, coupled with a roller, would make the strap much more prone to slipping than previous designs. Is it presumptuous to believe that there is a good reason for the change, or is it change for the sake of change, like say press studs and larger collar on the LC jacket?

Ron

I'm guessing that since they figured that not too many people would pay attention to something as tiny as the buckle, they went with what was easily available, instead of trying to find an exact replica of one used in the previous films.

And didn't they say that the reason for the press studs and the larger collar was because they lost the original designs for the LC jacket, only to find it afterwards?

I'll dive straight into this can of worms - it also looks like the strap has no grooves...

I'm fairly confident that they are using real MKVII gas mask bags. They are readily available and they have always used them before, so why change now?

Heh, it sure looks like it has grooves on it! Horizontal grooves! Oh wait, that's just very wrinkly leather... Nevermind.

Horizontal grooves, eh? Now you're gettin' nasty!

Yeah, they leather does look fairly wrinkled. I've just fitted a strap to my MkVII which has a similar consistency, in fact:



The buckle on the Indy IV bag looks similar to mine in that it has the roller, but the Indy IV looks to have flat edges rather than rounded. But it's hard to be certain as the camera can play tricks, as we all know.

I think you may have unwittingly (perhaps?) obtained the first Indy IV prop-accurate buckle, and used it as such!

i've had that buckle on my tod mk vii prior to the announcement of indy iv.




seems to be the same as ob1's. i believe the keppler roller buckle that rundquist was showing on another thread was bang on to the close up of hf's.

I thought they were going to use McFly's version.

Hmm - stylish!

Heh, so I suppose that the satchels are the only vendors we can talk about, since most of them probably went bankrupt half a century ago...

If Indygear had been around back then, I suspect a lot of them would have stayed in business!

Seriously, it's always been fine to discuss the Indy IV gear, just not who is MAKING it.

The gas mask bags are vintage MKVII's - a stock item which we all know and love, so saying that Indy is using a MKVII is like saying: Indy is wearing a hat, or a leather jacket...

Regards,

Al

ob1al wrote:...so saying that Indy is using a MKVII is like saying: Indy is wearing a hat, or a leather jacket...

Regards,

Al

He is?
*Mental note to self: Pay more attention in general*



What Al said. Discussing the upcoming gear aswell as "the old gear" is why we are here. No reason to think it wouldn't be allowed, just as long as it doesn't slide into discussing the makers. In good time that info will be known, we just have to wait for it a little while.
We waited for the movie long enough, why not wait just a bit longer to go on discussing the vendors?

In fact I'll start with: Hey, that new Indy IV gear looks mighty fine!

Regards,
Swindiana

Guys, I was just kidding... I was referring to _'s post in which he said something to the extent that Indy IV's MKVII's were acquired from a surplus store.

Surplus store = Vendor

Nevermind...

No problem, Castor, I was just talking in general.

That's what I've been thinking too. The only "vendor" (prime contractor) we could talk about would be the WWII British army.

Regards,
Swindiana

Yeah, my post was just a general comment, too.

It's kind of on my mind as I think some folks believe we can't talk about Indy IV gear at all! This is not the case - we can talk about it 'till the cows come home (no pun intended!) just not who made it!

Yet.

Al

is it me or does the strap look longer than the usual 65" creature that we all usually buy?

Indiana G wrote:

is it me or does the strap look longer than the usual 65" creature that we all usually buy?

Yeah, it does.

Perhaps the part of the MKVII that isn't shown is slanted upwards, with the part being shown slanted downwards, hence giving the illusion of a longer strap? Also notice how the buckle isn't anywhere near being centered on his chest... While I know that the buckle tends to slide while worn, maybe... just maybe...

Agreed. The strap is just right in all likelihood. He'd only just stood up at this point also. My bag usually sits this way after I get up out of a chair.

conceited_ape wrote:Agreed. The strap is just right in all likelihood. He'd only just stood up at this point also. My bag usually sits this way after I get up out of a chair.

Oh. Well, I guess my eyesight is worse than I thought......it looked like the bag was sitting the way it usually does in the films.

Could also be that his pants are done up higher. I recall Michaelson saying something about the older you get, the higher the waistline reaches.

that'd be my guess, in that the buckle is far further down the strap than usual, lengthening it overall. There's your 'roller buckle' at work! As bad as an NH Raiders whip holder that never stays closed, or gives wicked 'whip slip'!

Did you ever watch "The Dukes of Hazard"? Production companies have ZERO problem destroying rare/valuable items as long as it suits their purpose and is within the budget. R.I.P. Lots of '68 R/Ts

Its good to see Marion in this one!!! I was hoping that she would be back w/ Indy!

BTW - Speaking of Dukes of Hazzard - You make a good point there. The General Lee was based on a 69' Charger. Although, they did use just as many 68's as 69's...they just altered the back tail panel & front grille (there were a few other minor differences as well). I'm currently restoring my 69' Charger to the General Lee. Another expensive hobby I'm in, lol.

Kind regards,
Captain D

Perhaps the part of the MKVII that isn't shown is slanted upwards, with the part being shown slanted downwards, hence giving the illusion of a longer strap? Also notice how the buckle isn't anywhere near being centered on his chest... While I know that the buckle tends to slide while worn, maybe... just maybe...

i took that into account....if you move the bag up to level, it doesn't look like the buckle will hit square in the chest as in raiders.

What really amuses me is that it looks almost as though there's a whip holder attached to the back of the MKVII in that publicity still.

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Here's another satchel related item for all those interested in Indy IV gear...



That buckle on the satchel's strap looks unique to Indy IV, as it's certainly not something that I've seen in any of the other Indy movies, nor are any of the current vendors (to my knowledge) offering this buckle.

It looks like it has two parts to it (or maybe just a V shaped single piece), and is that a roller on it?

Hi, I'm new to this forum, but I've been an Indy fan al my life. So here goes.

I noticed you guys don't recognize this buckle, but it's actually the same one they used in LC. Just look up the part where he's hanging from his bag strap on the tank.

Bullitt wrote:

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Here's another satchel related item for all those interested in Indy IV gear...



That buckle on the satchel's strap looks unique to Indy IV, as it's certainly not something that I've seen in any of the other Indy movies, nor are any of the current vendors (to my knowledge) offering this buckle.

It looks like it has two parts to it (or maybe just a V shaped single piece), and is that a roller on it?

Hi, I'm new to this forum, but I've been an Indy fan al my life. So here goes.

I noticed you guys don't recognize this buckle, but it's actually the same one they used in LC. Just look up the part where he's hanging from his bag strap on the tank.

Why, yes it is. (I think this was discussed in another thread.....or maybe I just also recognized it). The only real difference is this one is upside down.

I did not know that. Thanks!

Bullitt wrote:I did not know that. Thanks!

You're quite welcome. Just doin' my duty as a COW member.

the buckle isn't upside down....she looks right to me, no?

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/362.jpg

Just took the screen cap. I just don't know how to upload it
But you are right Indiana G, they're exactly the same.

Indiana G wrote:the buckle isn't upside down....she looks right to me, no?

http://www.theraider.net/showimage.php? ... ts/362.jpg

Eh, someone somewhere on some thread said it was upside down. I was just repeating what I read. Then again, the last time I saw it was two months ago.

so let that be a lesson to you young indy-wan!!! as i have never made any mistakes on any of my posts.....ever!!!!

{jumps under the plymouth}

Indiana G wrote:so let that be a lesson to you young indy-wan!!! as i have never made any mistakes on any of my posts.....ever!!!!

{jumps under the plymouth}

Oki-doky Dr. G!

http://i1.uploadem.com/08242007/IndianaJones41.jpg

here's a really big picture with lots of detaill.