Club Obi Wan

Just to draw some fire away from the previous thread, I thought this topic deserves it's own thread

Kt Templar wrote:This the veg tanned leather in daylight directly from above, the little triangle to the right is the same leather treated with Pecards.

Personally, that looks almost like alligator hide... Not too sure if I'm a big fan of that bubbley texture, and at 200 pounds (especially considering how strong the pound is at the moment), that's a huge risk to take...

Maybe there are pictures of what a complete jacket looks like with this hide?

Remember you are looking at it super close and it's an off cut.

However, part of the charm of this leather is it's variance of texture. It has bags of character from the get go.

I like this leather couple of reasons. Among them are:

1) It's closer to the original Raiders leather in the way it's made: veg tanned instead of chrome tanned. and

2) The sample I had was thicker than the modern day lamb but not much (if any) heavier.

3) This will mark and distress naturally by itself fairly quickly, it doen't have the shiney surface the chrome tanned leather has.

Just avoiding that shiny surface is worth the try all by itself!

I actually like the color and the look of this hide. I also like the idea of a thicker lamb. I think seeing a complete jacket in this hide will tell many what they want to know. It's one thig to see a swatch (and a nice one it is) but another to see it in jacket form.

I, too, have always liked the 'thicker' lambskin of old. Unfortunately, with the loss of the original tannery that Peter used in those days, unless you find an old jacket, it's hard to describe.

This is a nice looking example. I, too, look forward to seeing an example jacket photo.

Regards! Michaelson

Good to have variety.
I think that the time when we will be supplying the skin too isn't far away.
I'm sure that if we explore the skin market, can find some really good stuff hey?

Not, that I am willing to do so, (no time) but maybe some of you would.

Just a note to KT Templar & Indy Jerry... Isn't this jacket actually a Raiders Authentic? Since the last worn-look lamb was a Raiders Authentic, but it seems is being replaced by this new leather...

PETER wrote:...The next batch will probably made in lambskin or a new hide I am playing with. I also have a new veg tanned pre washed lambskin...

I, too, have always liked the 'thicker' lambskin of old. Unfortunately, with the loss of the original tannery that Peter used in those days, unless you find an old jacket, it's hard to describe.

BINGO! I've actually been talking to several people about this lately. My old Wested, for all it's inaccuracies, is far superior in leather quality than any of my spot on spec versions I've gotten since Peter switched over. The old leather was IT. Period. I still say prayers hoping it could be duplicated. Well, ok, I don't, but I still wish.

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Just a note to KT Templar & Indy Jerry... Isn't this jacket actually a Raiders Authentic? Since the last worn-look lamb was a Raiders Authentic, but it seems is being replaced by this new leather...

PETER wrote:...The next batch will probably made in lambskin or a new hide I am playing with. I also have a new veg tanned pre washed lambskin...

Nevermind me, Castor. KT I believe is the one who is bringing you this info from Peter, so I'd listen to what he says. KT, your correction post seems to have gone away...would you mind repeating yourself so it's clear what ...well, whatever it is Castor is asking about?

Don't mind at all. Jerry.

AFAIK, the "Worn Look Raiders Authentic" is an move to bring together a lot of the requests made by us fans over the years, to give a slimmer and slightly longer jacket with a worn look. It has no facings on the zipper, the rounded stormflap, and on the darker one: a silver zipper close to the bottom of the jacket. It is made in batches to standard sizing with no mods. I don't believe there is a REG or LONG version.

Most importantly it is cheaper, predominately this is intended for the more casual fans ordering over ebay etc... Peter is preparing for the coming spike in interest.

As for the colour, there have been 2 batches in the worn look and the specs have changed slightly between the 2. The first batch is the lighter warm golden colour, it has d rings. The second batch is in the darker leather, this has a sliver zipper and rectangular sliders, pocket flaps are slightly less pointy.

Those are testers, as Peter has stated above, he is looking at a third leather for his "Budget jacket". (My term).

The Veg Tanned Leather is a completely separate issue, it will be used as an option on normal made to order jackets, in the same way as there is the choice of all the other leathers on "made to order". It comes in small hides, so it will need more hides to make a jacket. On top of that is is more expensive per sq ft. All this makes it more expensive.

Thanks for clarifying that, Kt.

EXCELLENT clarification, KT.

I, too, thank you. I was a bit confused about the 'goings on' myself on the authentic vs this leather. I also wasn't aware there was a second iteration in the mill in a darker leather. Looking forward to seeing an example of that one should photos become available anytime soon.

Keep us in the loop, KT!

Regards! Michaelson

Kt Templar wrote:
As for the colour, there have been 2 batches in the worn look and the specs have changed slightly between the 2. The first batch is the lighter warm golden colour, it has d rings. The second batch is in the darker leather, this has a sliver zipper and rectangular sliders, pocket flaps are slightly less pointy.

We've already been shown examples of the two different colours:
Light
http://www.mish87.com/indy/frontsunl.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 248ru9.jpg
Dark
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167 ... Zipped.jpg
http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/18235/ ... 862_rs.jpg

That's the darker version? I thought it was the lighter version after treatment of Pecards!

Hummm.. Hard to really tell, as one is an outside shot, and the other an inside shot. My jacket looks exactly the same in the different lighting conditions, and mine is the lighter version.

Regards! Michaelson

Yes, those are the 2 colours. No Pecards involved .

Thanks for digging those out Nick.

Any chance seeing an outside shot of the dark version for equal comparison with the light colored one?

Regards! Michaelson

The second "dark" photo is outside.

It is (again)?

A shadow is being cast on the wall behind the individual, and a photo hanging there behind their right shoulder, so that's why it looks like an inside photo on my monitor.

Regards! Michaelson

This one is outside, in our watery British sunshine

THAT'S what I wanted to see! Thank you KT!!

I like it! Getting back to the one string made in gear care, an application of Pecards jell on the golden version might create this same look. Something to consider.

HIGH regards! Michaelson

It is very very very annoying but the new delivery of pre washed and shrunk veg tanned lamb have turned out to be too small and inconsistant for manufacture as I had hoped. I am trying the same process in a buffalo hide in order to get the back panels out.
The Rola authentic jackets are now tweaked. anodised slidders, no inside facing, smaller silver zip to the bottom, eighties cut, smaller pocket, skulptured flap tapered sleeve reshaped collar rounded, temple length
All the Chris King and Platon and others specs built in now in work in Authentic (Seal) Brown and worn look Lambskin.
Thats it
Cheers
Peter

I can't understand how Todd has addressed the issue with the super open and droopy adventure pleats and peter hasn't. They adventure pleats look absoluely awful here, whereas Todd has hit it on the head.

Perhaps peter can address this too. It is the only thing I hate about my Wested and makes me consider a Todd, only because he nailed the pleat opening as in the following pic.



This look matches the opening sequences in Raiders where Indy is putting sand in his sandbag outside the cave opening.

I know some people will say that this wested is too big for this guy, however, my Wested is supposed to be hand made for me, but still has the awful droop. I see it a lot on other Westeds. If Peter is focusing on improving his jackets, then this is an area of real concern to me and needs reviewing.

Just my 0.2 worth.

Michaelson wrote:THAT'S what I wanted to see! Thank you KT!!

Er..that's the same pic I linked to.

PETER wrote:It is very very very annoying but the new delivery of pre washed and shrunk veg tanned lamb have turned out to be too small and inconsistant for manufacture as I had hoped. I am trying the same process in a buffalo hide in order to get the back panels out.
The Rola authentic jackets are now tweaked. anodised slidders, no inside facing, smaller silver zip to the bottom, eighties cut, smaller pocket, skulptured flap tapered sleeve reshaped collar rounded, temple length
All the Chris King and Platon and others specs built in now in work in Authentic (Seal) Brown and worn look Lambskin.
Thats it
Cheers
Peter

Buffalo! Wow, now THAT'S a tough hide! Hope your machines can work that, my friend.

Looks like you're making good progress. Looking forward to seeing the final results!

HIGH regards! Michaelson

PETER wrote:It is very very very annoying but the new delivery of pre washed and shrunk veg tanned lamb have turned out to be too small and inconsistant for manufacture as I had hoped. I am trying the same process in a buffalo hide in order to get the back panels out.
The Rola authentic jackets are now tweaked. anodised slidders, no inside facing, smaller silver zip to the bottom, eighties cut, smaller pocket, skulptured flap tapered sleeve reshaped collar rounded, temple length
All the Chris King and Platon and others specs built in now in work in Authentic (Seal) Brown and worn look Lambskin.
Thats it
Cheers
Peter

Shame to see that lambskin fall by the wayside.

Looking forward to the new ROLAA. Will it be ready by the Summit?

Kt

KT, if you happen to meet Peter when the ROLA authentic is ready and before the summit, please post some photos OK?

A Wested in buffler' hide?!? Put me down on the list!

Indiana wrote:A Wested in buffler' hide?!? Put me down on the list!

Now THAT would be almost bullet proof!!!

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:It is (again)?

A shadow is being cast on the wall behind the individual, and a photo hanging there behind their right shoulder, so that's why it looks like an inside photo on my monitor.

Regards! Michaelson

Assuming you're referring to this:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167 ... Zipped.jpg

Then yes, that photo was taken indoors.

Ah, and said photo is actually my Casablanca poster... Indy connection?

I can't understand how Todd has addressed the issue with the super open and droopy adventure pleats and peter hasn't. They adventure pleats look absoluely awful here, whereas Todd has hit it on the head.

It is no good showing a picture of a jacket that is too big on a man and then comparing to a picture of a man with his arms in the air whose action pleats are clearly not working as action pleats.
I can assure that remedies have been made but not by gluing so the action pleat is no longer effective.
Harrison Ford has a fairly square frame which filled the shoulder, we have reduced the shoulder line to allow for the more slopping shoulder and thereby tension the action pleat.
Send your jacket back to me and will adjust it.
Cheers
Peter

Peter,

Please don't take this as criticism but merely an observation of something I see regularly.

I only hope to improve the jacket for others as you are attempting.

Please don't be offended.

I dont wish to send my jacket back....I have grown to live with it...but is there a way we can resolve this for my next jacket? Get myself measured properly or something?

Thanks my friend.

Since there's been no word about this for quite a while, does anybody know what's Wested's progress on this new jacket?

perhaps peter will chime in after the festivities this weekend?

I wonder if the jacket got cancelled...

Michaelson wrote:

Indiana wrote:A Wested in buffler' hide?!? Put me down on the list!

Now THAT would be almost bullet proof!!!

Regards! Michaelson

Didn't someone offer an Indy jacket made out of Kevlar?

Didn't someone offer an Indy jacket made out of Kevlar?


Castor Dioscuri

I believe it was U.S. Wings who offered it. I think.

Michaelson wrote:I, too, have always liked the 'thicker' lambskin of old. Unfortunately, with the loss of the original tannery that Peter used in those days, unless you find an old jacket, it's hard to describe.

This is a nice looking example. I, too, look forward to seeing an example jacket photo.

Regards! Michaelson

Michealson:
How old is old? Ie. what year did the lambskin get thinner?
thanks
Canada

Canada Jones wrote:

Michaelson wrote:I, too, have always liked the 'thicker' lambskin of old. Unfortunately, with the loss of the original tannery that Peter used in those days, unless you find an old jacket, it's hard to describe.

This is a nice looking example. I, too, look forward to seeing an example jacket photo.

Regards! Michaelson

Michealson:
How old is old? Ie. what year did the lambskin get thinner?
thanks
Canada

Pre mid 1980's. The original tannery closed.

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:

Canada Jones wrote:

Michaelson wrote:I, too, have always liked the 'thicker' lambskin of old. Unfortunately, with the loss of the original tannery that Peter used in those days, unless you find an old jacket, it's hard to describe.

This is a nice looking example. I, too, look forward to seeing an example jacket photo.

Regards! Michaelson

Michealson:
How old is old? Ie. what year did the lambskin get thinner?
thanks
Canada

Pre mid 1980's. The original tannery closed.

Regards! Michaelson

You really are a fountain of knowledge. I bought my Wested maybe 5 years ago. I guess I was hoping this is what you meant by older.
Appreciate the info.
Canada

Now, I think I might have to get me some of that....

Just out of curiosity, too....has anyone gotten a recent rendition of Wested's horsehide in a Last Crusade jacket?

What is the general consensus on the best leather being offered these days?

Oh....I'm back, by the way!

Later!
Indydawg

You bet, Indydawg. Codefool bought a new Wested LC and he posted photos of it right here:

viewtopic.php?t=23479

SD

Thanks for the link to that post Dumas-that seals the deal for me....I've GOT to get me one of those!

I've been SO out of the loop and I'm struggling to catch up, but Peter....VERY good work on that LC jacket revamp. The new collar stand and storm flap configuration are perfect! I love the double stitching, too!

Excellent stuff!!! The forum has, indeed, been busy in my absence!

Later!
Indydawg

That is a hide weight you should actually get some use from where you live now, Dawg!

Regards! Michaelson

That's good to know....'cause I don't get much wear time out of my cowhide Expedition...