Henry's pocket watch...does anyone have one?
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Henry's pocket watch...does anyone have one?
Has anyone been able to find a replica, or the actual same type of pocket watch that Henry has?
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Darn near!binkmeisterRick wrote: Every room ticks!
The open face watch we seen him check when they are in the plane can be seen in the LucasFilm book, and appears to be a Swiss 16 size watch, based on an American Waltham.
The hunter (closed face) watch we see him wind up when he's in the motorcycle chase is NEVER clearly seen, and we can only surmise what it may be. It's at least a 16 size from the appearance, but other than that, your guess is as good as mine.
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Not sure I understand your question, VP.
That's kind of like asking why a car with a convertible top isn't like a station wagon. They're two totally different cars.
Same with these watches that Henry Sr. is seen carrying. One is a closed case hunter watch that has a cover, the other an open face/dial watch that HAS no cover. Two completely different designs, and easily seen in the movie when Henry Sr. pulls them out to check the time, or wind his watch.
Regards! Michaelson
That's kind of like asking why a car with a convertible top isn't like a station wagon. They're two totally different cars.
Same with these watches that Henry Sr. is seen carrying. One is a closed case hunter watch that has a cover, the other an open face/dial watch that HAS no cover. Two completely different designs, and easily seen in the movie when Henry Sr. pulls them out to check the time, or wind his watch.
Regards! Michaelson
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From another OLD thread, Michaelson said:
After that many years of dealing with watches, I'm sure anyone would be able to spot watch differences between scenes. I think the man knows his stuff, VP.I've been a pocket watch collector since I was 9, so I've had a LOT of different watches come in and out of my possession over the years. Regards. Michaelson
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The Jean Pierre watch as shown on the Miscellaneous Props page on the main Indygear site seems to be the same as the WW1111GP watch as shown on the AG Thomas web site at http://www.agthomas.co.uk/Watches_JP2000.htm. I did make telephone enquiries (UK) and the lady said that the watch was about GBP 80.00, but I think one might need to add 17.5% VAT and postage on top of that if they will sell to non-commercial customers.
I had considereed buying one but due to some irregularity on other sites couldn't decide if this was the correct watch/image. There seems to be, on another site, which I can't remember the same watch No. but with horizontal bar just below the attachment ring.
Decided on a modern (1944 design) Mondaine Swiss Railways watch in stainless steel instead, because it looks like a bit of fun!
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I had considereed buying one but due to some irregularity on other sites couldn't decide if this was the correct watch/image. There seems to be, on another site, which I can't remember the same watch No. but with horizontal bar just below the attachment ring.
Decided on a modern (1944 design) Mondaine Swiss Railways watch in stainless steel instead, because it looks like a bit of fun!
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VP, I have to agree with them completely. It's like two different scenes, one where the guy has a beard, the other where he doesn't. If you are familiar with pocket watches, the difference is that obvious. Trust the guys who know their stuff.
(P.S. If you DO find a scene in LC where Connery does NOT have a beard and I missed it, do let me know.)
(P.S. If you DO find a scene in LC where Connery does NOT have a beard and I missed it, do let me know.)
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Just thought I'd post a picture of the watch found on the main site.
I have included the description by Michaelson..
The Jean Pierre was a Swiss made knock off of an Elgin styled 18 size watch and movement, dated around 1898, and was a very high jeweled movement for it's day--as railroad watches were rated from 19 jewels up to 23.
In the U.S. they had to be U.S. made, so it didn't qualify for U.S. railroad approval. From sources I have spoken to, these Jean Pierre's can still be found in England and most of Europe in many pawn brokerages, and are not really that uncommon in pocket watch collector circles.
There are a lot of old Walthams floating around the pocket watch market that are actually these watches in disguise, sort of like the fake Rolex's of their time, but you were actually getting a fairly decent timepiece when purchasing them for a useable watch. Needless to say, though, that they aren't worth near the price of an original Waltham. They were only being sold with Waltham dials. Michaelson
I checked out ebay the other day for Waltham pocket watches and there is a great selection of them there, unfortunately non that matched Henry's watch. And wow are they expensive! I don't know much about pocket watches, so maybe the prices I saw are normal.
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I have included the description by Michaelson..
The Jean Pierre was a Swiss made knock off of an Elgin styled 18 size watch and movement, dated around 1898, and was a very high jeweled movement for it's day--as railroad watches were rated from 19 jewels up to 23.
In the U.S. they had to be U.S. made, so it didn't qualify for U.S. railroad approval. From sources I have spoken to, these Jean Pierre's can still be found in England and most of Europe in many pawn brokerages, and are not really that uncommon in pocket watch collector circles.
There are a lot of old Walthams floating around the pocket watch market that are actually these watches in disguise, sort of like the fake Rolex's of their time, but you were actually getting a fairly decent timepiece when purchasing them for a useable watch. Needless to say, though, that they aren't worth near the price of an original Waltham. They were only being sold with Waltham dials. Michaelson
I checked out ebay the other day for Waltham pocket watches and there is a great selection of them there, unfortunately non that matched Henry's watch. And wow are they expensive! I don't know much about pocket watches, so maybe the prices I saw are normal.
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That's normal. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on which side of the watch ownership issue you find yourself), prices HAVE found legs and are climbing at an astonishing rate for some models.
It's also what the SELLER hopes he'll make on the sale, and many times it's apparent to the collectors these sellers have no clue WHAT they have, or they wouldn't BE asking such stupid prices. Sorry for the strong 'stupid' in that sentence, but anything less would not describe our thoughts on these individuals. The research materials are out there that give honest pricing on these items, and yet they seem to think they should receive the price of a Rolls Royce for the Yugo they have for sale. Heck, why not...they both go down the road and burn gas...so they MUST be worth the same thing.
Keep looking, though, as there ARE honest sellers out there that have these watches for sale, and will only sell them for a modest mark up.
Regards! Michaelson
It's also what the SELLER hopes he'll make on the sale, and many times it's apparent to the collectors these sellers have no clue WHAT they have, or they wouldn't BE asking such stupid prices. Sorry for the strong 'stupid' in that sentence, but anything less would not describe our thoughts on these individuals. The research materials are out there that give honest pricing on these items, and yet they seem to think they should receive the price of a Rolls Royce for the Yugo they have for sale. Heck, why not...they both go down the road and burn gas...so they MUST be worth the same thing.
Keep looking, though, as there ARE honest sellers out there that have these watches for sale, and will only sell them for a modest mark up.
Regards! Michaelson
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Hmm...does a 109 year old knock off still qualify as a knock off, or as an antique? A knock-tique?
That's a great looking watch, Percevel, regardless - use it in good health! (And I HOPE you have a cord/chain for that! If not, we'll point you at a guy who makes beautiful braided leather ones reminiscent of bullwhips...)
That's a great looking watch, Percevel, regardless - use it in good health! (And I HOPE you have a cord/chain for that! If not, we'll point you at a guy who makes beautiful braided leather ones reminiscent of bullwhips...)
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It has it's place in history, but to collectors, it's STILL a 'knockoff'. There are folks who specialize in collecting Swiss fakes, as there were several variations made, and a point of interest to some collectors.
Most, though, steer clear of them completely, so they're usually fairly inexpensive. Problem is, there are no spare parts for them should they need repairing, and most watch repair folks refuse to bother with them.
Regards! Michaelson
Most, though, steer clear of them completely, so they're usually fairly inexpensive. Problem is, there are no spare parts for them should they need repairing, and most watch repair folks refuse to bother with them.
Regards! Michaelson
This is actually just a picture I copied from the indygear mainsite, it's not mine. Although I wish it was!Indiana Jerry wrote: That's a great looking watch, Percevel, regardless - use it in good health! (And I HOPE you have a cord/chain for that! If not, we'll point you at a guy who makes beautiful braided leather ones reminiscent of bullwhips...)
Although a "real" one would be great to have, I still wouldn't mind having knockoff. As long as it looks just like Henry's and is still a good quality watch.
I wonder who has the original, screen used watch
Now that would be cool to have!
Maybe it was Sean Connery's own watch, like Indy's pocket knife in Raiders was probably Harrison's.
We may never know...
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