Club Obi Wan

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:30 am

PETER wrote:It has also made me think and dig out MK's Smithsonian measurements.
Agent 5's input has made me realize that I need to produce a ROLA Authentic going back to piped pocket, no inner facings etc. from a new worn look lambskin which I have in my possesion. I showed this to KT Templar yesterday and he liked it. I am looking at the $195/£100 mark.
Pics to follow
Cheers
Peter

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:48 pm

PETER wrote:As a thank you and as a teaser try looking at
www.indyjacket.co.uk/new/new see the new predistressed lambskin that I have in work and I will need Beta testers for.
NO at this time I am not involved in Indy 4. but am working on my ROLA Screen Jacket.
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou.
I love you all and am proud to be a member
Cheers
Peter

Anyone else psyched up about this? It's kinda sad, but I'm seriously thinking of ordering one, and my first Wested order (LC style) hasn't even arrived yet!

What is he talking about? Im on their site now......?

I think he meant this thread......viewtopic.php?t=20657&highlight=

which leads to here..........http://www.indyjacket.co.uk/new/new/

Wow.. That would be an awesome jacket....now if he could find a way to distress the goat or horse! Ive never clicked into that prototype link. I missed it in the thread, too.

Nice if it comes to fruition.

It's coming.

Regards! Michaelson

Out of curiousity, does anyone know how predistressed lambskin compares to regular lambskin?

I mean, I'll be getting my LC lamb soon, and am considering getting the new Raiders predistressed lamb when it comes out. But which one would be the tougher of the two?

I mean, if I get caught in a rainstorm, which would be the better to be caught in? And are there any downsides to owning a predistressed lamb? (i.e. it breaks down easier, etc)

It's not so much of which is going to 'break down' easier. They're the same material and fiber, so they're equal in terms of strength. The difference is the pre-distressed has had it's original surface 'cracked' (for lack of a better description), and that makes it more prone to soaking through should you get caught in a sudden downpour.

You can Pecard the predistressed and help the problem, but then you defeat the intent of the predistressed leather....the 'worn' look. So, it's all in what you want in the jacket....the look but with the possibility of soak through without treatment, or the non-distressed appearance that is a bit more weather (rain)resistant.

There are products that can be used to help seal out dampness on the pre-distressed that will keep the look too. Leather specific 'Scotchgard' is one if you can find it. I've used it on the 'old cow' Wings pre-distressed leather (same scenario, just different material), and it worked just fine. Any like spray on leather treatment product will definitely help.

Regards! Michaelson

Not to steal this thread, but:

Michaelson:

Location: Tennessee, watching for Scoundrels, and where the avatars don't have Blooze 'bubba teeth'

Don't tell me you JUST found that?!

That's been up for WEEKS!!

Yep, I noticed your avatar location statement as well.

HIGH regards! Michaelson

I've tried getting to THIS LINK from the Wested website and could find it. I even checked the IndyJacket section and couldn't find it. I guess as long as we can see the pix of the prototype, it doesn't really matter where the link is anyway.



PS: Check out my location.

Michaelson wrote:It's not so much of which is going to 'break down' easier. They're the same material and fiber, so they're equal in terms of strength. The difference is the pre-distressed has had it's original surface 'cracked' (for lack of a better description), and that makes it more prone to soaking through should you get caught in a sudden downpour.

You can Pecard the predistressed and help the problem, but then you defeat the intent of the predistressed leather....the 'worn' look. So, it's all in what you want in the jacket....the look but with the possibility of soak through without treatment, or the non-distressed appearance that is a bit more weather (rain)resistant.

There are products that can be used to help seal out dampness on the pre-distressed that will keep the look too. Leather specific 'Scotchgard' is one if you can find it. I've used it on the 'old cow' Wings pre-distressed leather (same scenario, just different material), and it worked just fine. Any like spray on leather treatment product will definitely help.

Regards! Michaelson

Hmm, so if I Pecard a predistressed, will it end up looking new, or just different? I'd hate to get a predistressed Wested ruined just for the sake of keeping the look... but then without the look... decisions, decisions!

I'm also a little curious why Peter mentioned in a previous post that the new worn-look jackets would be significantly cheaper (I believer his estimate was around 100 pounds).

Does this mean that the leather (or jacket) would be inferior to the others in any way? Or am I just being paranoid?

Paranoid?

I don't think that's the right word for somebody who expects a jacket that's significantly cheaper to be of equal quality, by the same manufacturer, no less.

Hmm, so if I Pecard a predistressed, will it end up looking new, or just different? I'd hate to get a predistressed Wested ruined just for the sake of keeping the look... but then without the look... decisions, decisions!

It will just look different. It will NOT make it look new, nor will it make
it act like new.

A "pre-distressed" or "Weathered" jacket has a lighter, drier, cracked look to it
all over. Kind of like the old acid washed jeans. Its this way all over,
not just in a few spots. This is what makes these types of jackets look
"fake". Its too evenly distressed all over.

By applying any type of leather dressing, you will darken a
pre-distressed jacket up some, but it will not look anything close to new.
It will look much better, and not as dry looking. Also, since the
leather dressing will absorb differently in different parts of the jacket, it
will also have a much more pleasing look than the all over, cracked, dry
look it has before you add the dressing to it.

Leather that is "pre-distressed" or "Weathered" has had the outer color
surface removed all around, exposing the raw leather underneath.

Once the raw surface has been exposed, it will soak up water like a
sponge if you don't apply some kind of protectant to it.

If you are ever caught in the rain with a "pre-distressed" jacket, the
water will soak right in, and it will come thru to the inside, transfering
some of the color to the lining, and your clothes. Not good.

By applying some Standard Pecards (the one in the tub, that contains
beeswax, and is the cosistancy of vaseline) the jackets dry look will
be gone, but you will still see the lighter and darker tones from the
pre-distressing, but now the jacket will have some protection added.

I still would not want to be caught out in a downpore, as even great stuff
like Pecards can't stop every drop, but if you are out in a light rain, you
won't have to worry about it that much.

Flathead

Leather that is "pre-distressed" or "Weathered" has had the outer color
surface removed all around, exposing the raw leather underneath.

Once the raw surface has been exposed, it will soak up water like a
sponge if you don't apply some kind of protectant to it.

???:? Predistressed means that the collor of the leather is inconstant and the lighter areas make the leather to look worn off. Predistressed does not mean the damage of the surface of the leather as we do it with sand paper or a steel brush.
The predistressed leather has the same sealing like non-predistressed leather and the same resistance against the elements.

Interesting. They must be different in your neck of the woods.

No pre-distressed jacket I'VE ever owned has been like that, LC!

Pre-distressed means just that....pre-distressed, and the original surface cracked and/or removed.

Regards! Michaelson

That's how my pre-distressed U. S. Wings jacket now looks that I got from the past clearance sale, and after a like application of standard Pecards.

Regards! Michaelson

Just for reference the one at the bottom of this pic is the predistressed.

Until now I only knew the predistressed leather that has still its sealing on.

When the structure of the leather surface is damaged like this it will be worn through much faster and has no protection against rain, dust, etc.
Useless IMO. Except for screen accuracy.

that looks pretty nice KT. not too blotchy from what i can see. i can't really tell until you see the entire thing if it'll work out or not. i'm not really a big fan of the pd leather as the distressing is too uniform....but this swatch makes the leather just look old which is good but i'm wondering what the overall effect would be.

the leather that i really liked was on that dark das boot jacket. i believe it was a black pd cowhide but the distressing wasn't over the top. i always thought it would make a great indy jacket if you can get it in brown....maybe this one is the one? lets cross our fingers.

_ - That picture just sold me! My next jacket will be pre-distressed and I'll give it a good bit of pecards. I think that jacket has a great look to it.

Last Crusader wrote: When the structure of the leather surface is damaged like this it will be worn through much faster and has no protection against rain, dust, etc.

Amen to that, my friend! That's why I've ALWAYS promoted natural wear and use rather than pre-distressing anything.

Regards! Michaelson

Last Crusader wrote:When the structure of the leather surface is damaged like this it will be worn through much faster and has no protection against rain, dust, etc.
Useless IMO. Except for screen accuracy.

As far as durability goes it's no different than having one of the many leather jackets on the market that don't have a glossy finish. I sprayed mine with a leather protectant and any water that's since fallen on it doesn't stain, discolour or soak through it.

SD

Michaelson wrote:There are products that can be used to help seal out dampness on the pre-distressed that will keep the look too. Leather specific 'Scotchgard' is one if you can find it. I've used it on the 'old cow' Wings pre-distressed leather (same scenario, just different material), and it worked just fine. Any like spray on leather treatment product will definitely help.

Regards! Michaelson

Yep, that's what I said above.

Regards! Michaelson

Last Crusader wrote:
???:? Predistressed means that the collor of the leather is inconstant and the lighter areas make the leather to look worn off. Predistressed does not mean the damage of the surface of the leather as we do it with sand paper or a steel brush.
The predistressed leather has the same sealing like non-predistressed leather and the same resistance against the elements.

I know what he's talking about. I used to own an A-2 clone with that look. Think tie-dye for leather, sort of. It basically gives it the LOOK of being weathered without actually being worn out in any way. Sort of like what acetone does. I've heard this look called predistressed, but I suppose it isn't really. I've also heard "color washed" or "color distressed". But, from what this forum has been describing, Wested's predistressed is not distressed in appearance only. Something I've always wondered about, myself.
Chewie

Neither is U. S. Wings. They're honest to gosh 'distressed' leather jackets as well.

Regards! Michaelson

I just remembered, my first Indy jacket which I bought from Lucasfilm Fanclub years and years ago was this "worn look" type, and when I posted pictures of it here, everybody said it was "predistressed cowhide". So, it seems to me that we (the members of COW) are all responsible for any confusion about what to expect from a predistressed Indy jacket if even WE can't get it straight!
Chewie

Indiana G wrote:that looks pretty nice KT. not too blotchy from what i can see. i can't really tell until you see the entire thing if it'll work out or not. i'm not really a big fan of the pd leather as the distressing is too uniform....but this swatch makes the leather just look old which is good but i'm wondering what the overall effect would be.

This is what the one new predistressed cowhide I've seen looks like. (Obviously this isn't an Indy jacket!;))

thanks KT. this hide on an indy jacket is not really my cup of tea. it looks great if you are looking for a new jacket with that rustic look....but on an indy jacket ....no thanks

indy's jacket was once new at one time and got distressed over time and adventuring. this leather is brand spanking new and made to look weathered. it will hide any natural distressing that you put into it and it is just too light in shade to what we see on indy. my 2 cents.

You hit the nail on the head!

All this time , I thought Peter was going to produce a normal screen acurate jacket. But now I read its gonna be a pre distressed one!
Pre distressed looks like #### to me , It doesnt have an old look it looks weird. Not my cup of Tea at all.

Well looks like I have to search for yet another jacket then.

I´m sure Wested will offer all other hides as well for their new authentic jacket. At least I don´t see any reason why not.

Dutch_jones wrote:You hit the nail on the head!

All this time , I thought Peter was going to produce a normal screen acurate jacket. But now I read its gonna be a pre distressed one!
Pre distressed looks like #### to me , It doesnt have an old look it looks weird. Not my cup of Tea at all.

Well looks like I have to search for yet another jacket then.

Hey Dirk,

The way I understood it (and I may be waaaaaay off base here) is that the new SA Wested was going to be 1) Off the rack rather than custom and 2) Worn-look, but not necessarily pre-distressed

Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe the hide pictured above is the pre-distressed not the "Worn look" Peter has been experimenting with.

Kt would indeed know for sure, though.

-GCR

_ wrote:

Here's what happens when you aggressively apply Pecards to the predistressed hide. This was my predistressed LC, which has since found it's way to another forum Member. Personally, I like the result...

_, that is the jacket that puched me over the edge an into this hobby. Its all you fault!!!! Come to think of it, I ought to send you a bill!

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:30 am

PETER wrote:It has also made me think and dig out MK's Smithsonian measurements.
Agent 5's input has made me realize that I need to produce a ROLA Authentic going back to piped pocket, no inner facings etc. from a new worn look lambskin which I have in my possesion. I showed this to KT Templar yesterday and he liked it. I am looking at the $195/£100 mark.
Pics to follow
Cheers
Peter

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:48 pm

PETER wrote:As a thank you and as a teaser try looking at
www.indyjacket.co.uk/new/new see the new predistressed lambskin that I have in work and I will need Beta testers for.
NO at this time I am not involved in Indy 4. but am working on my ROLA Screen Jacket.
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou.
I love you all and am proud to be a member
Cheers
Peter

From the man himself, I guess it's safe to assume that it'll be a predistressed lamb after all. Will post these quotes at the start of this thread as well.

Kt Templar wrote:
This is what the one new predistressed cowhide I've seen looks like. (Obviously this isn't an Indy jacket!;))

This leather would make a wonderful Escape from New York jacket

I can't wait to see the new improvements anyway! I hope everything will be ready for July

I have just ordered what I hope is one of the new "worn look" jackets. I used the term "pre-distressed" and I hope Gemma knows what I meant, but I have also sent her a follow up email referencing this discussion.

If someone can explain how, I'll try and attach some pics of the jacket when I get it, hopefully within the next week or so. I also have a size 42 jacket that some needs to make me an offer on. It's listed in the classifieds here. I would really like to post some pics there too!

No dude, that is not the "new worn-look" jacket that this thread refers to. What they are talking about is something new not yet offered for sale by Wested. Peter is developing a ROTLA "screen accurate" jacket with piped pockets, no leather facings, correct hardware, etc. Most of all, he's going to offer a new lambskin with some distressing to it. You might want to hold off on your order until this jacket is available for sale.

Regards, Dr. J

Thanks, Doc. I was as clear as I could be to Gemma as to what I wanted. Here are the emails:

From:

Wested

Dear Sir,
We have got some made that are only standard sizes not with the 80's fit, the price will be the same price as the lambskin £145 plus £20 postage
Cheers Gemma

-------Original Message-------

From: Morse Gist
Date: 27/02/2007 21:24:45
To: Wested
Subject: Worn Look Lambskin Indy Jacket

Re: Worn Look Lambskin Prototype

Hello! Do you have the worn-look Lambskin prototype that has been
mentioned on the Club Obi-Wan boards?
I would like to get one, or have one made in size 44. Please let me
know! ..and also what the price including shipping to the US
would be.
Thanks,
Morse Gist
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From what I know Peter made small run of these in standard sizes in the lighter coloured distressed "new" lambskin.

This is one of them:



I'm still hoping for a darker leather. Although, this would make a spiffing LC jacket, you can see the pocket flap has been adjusted from the ones we have been seeing recently.

Thanks! That's what I'm looking for! Will let the group know when it gets here and will post pics.

I like these pockets!

Kt Templar wrote:From what I know Peter made small run of these in standard sizes in the lighter coloured distressed "new" lambskin.

This is one of them:



I'm still hoping for a darker leather. Although, this would make a spiffing LC jacket, you can see the pocket flap has been adjusted from the ones we have been seeing recently.

Yes, the pocket flaps are much better. If they can adjust them more like the one's shown on the Wested Leather Co. site (Not IndyJacket.com) under Indiana Jones, they would be even better IMO... :

http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... pocket.jpg

http://www.ekmpowershop4.com/ekmps/shop ... hide06.jpg

The pocket flaps on my lambskin Wested do not remotely resemble the above linked flaps..... I would trade-off mine in a New York second for the cowhide jacket shown in the 2nd link..

Just got the jacket in and have some pics to put up. The cut looks like a TOD length. Pockets are, I think, ROTLA style. In any case, the leather/lambskin is super. The fit is great, I think. Let me know what you think, or if you have any questions. Highly recommend!

That's a #### nice jacket morsegist. Seems to have a much better fit than the normal westeds. Have they changed the actual cut of the jacket now? It looks especially different in the arms/arm hole?

Except for the lighter color, it looks very similar to my USWings VIP which many here have said is a good TOD style jacket, especially in the length. And yes it looks like an excellent fit for you. Congratulations morsegist!

Still with the D-Rings? Is this the ROTLA "Screen Accurate" jacket?

I don't think this is the new ROTLA jacket. That's another more in depth project. This is just Peter's latest effort. I'm very please with it.

and so you should morsegist.....it looks great on you. great fit sir!

The jacket looks good on you, and it looks like a very nice jacket!

I'm glad to hear that the yoke is being raised 1' inch as standard now, the scalloped pockets look good, and the collar looks a lil' better than before maybe.

However, personally, I still can't say that I am crazy about Westeds' ROLA collar. I agree, the length of the jacket and the collar issue seem to resemble more of the Temple o' Doom than the ROLA. One of the many things that Flightsuits really nailed down perfectly is the collar.

And, as someone stated previously...the color is really light on these new jackets (even for an "authentic" color). And, the D-rings on a ROLA jacket...?

I'm not trying to sound too critical and harsh. But, if Peter is looking for honest critique' on his next batch of jackets, I'm just being upfront. I hope that things work out okay in his future alterations. Thanks for posting and it appears that you have a very nice jacket there my friend! Enjoy in great health!

I believe that's from the 1st batch of 10 to try out this leather. You have a rarity there! The fit is great, especially if it is an off the rack as I believe, and I really like the look of the leather.

Wear it lots and please report back as to how it ages. This is brand new out of the packet, all jackets mould to you and will look even better after a few months! It definatly looks like it will pick up some character quickly.

Adding to others notes the body does look a touch long for a Raiders (I suspect this is a safety measure, better to be slightly too long than too short.) and the pockets still a touch tall.

Hopefully the next iteration will be slightly shorter. Be darker leather. Silver coloured zipper (closer to the bottom of the jacket) and rectangular hardware.

I like the fit.
The shape of the pocket flap is a disappointment.
The brown plastic zipper also.

Pocket size looks OK. The D-ring consistency is unbearable.
Color maybe not as dark as in many shots of Rotla but looks nice. Reminds me the Raven Bar scene.

Way to go Wested... just need a little fine tuning and will be awesome.