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Well maybe, if the pockets were a little smaller and closer to the storm flap. The collar though shouts Raiders. Also, no press studs on the storm flap. The pockets are quite larger than what we see in the below photo.



The pockets have a certain scallopness. So it's not LC, not TOD, it's got to be a Raiders.

Actually, the collar shouts "Elvis."

Oh yeah?
If that collar is Elvis, then what is this? Count Dracula?



It has nothing to do with this one



or this one

Maybe if I gave the whip a good coating of holy water and had some garlic bread before hand...

I don't know but the flap of the right pocket seems very close.

Actually there is a presstud , but because the collar is folded outwards you dont see it clearly.


Your basing you theory on a right pocket flap ?

Actually there is a presstud , but because the collar is folded outwards you dont see it clearly.

There should be a press stud at the bottom of the storm flap and there is not.

I am basing the theory on clooar size, pocket size, jacket length and absence of press studs.

PLATON, where is the jacket in the first photo physically located? That photo just isn't familiar to me.

Regards! Michaelson

If we can't tell what movie it's from....there might be a big yellow tag in the liner that says "Wested".
-GC

Yeah, the first jacket pic looks to be Raiders. Kinda an odd display though, looks like Indy as a marionette....

The pic below that looks more Last Crusade to me...

That I do not know. The photo was taken from theraider.net at the section where it speaks about HF donating his jacket.

The pic below that looks more Last Crusade to me...

That's because the pic below IS last crusade.

Interesting. With the tag on the bag, it kind of looks like a display for an auction site, doesn't it?

I wonder if this is the jacket that _ took the specs from way back when, before the sale? From what I remember, only one confirmed screen used Raiders jacket ever hit the auction scene, and it was that one jacket. This one sure has enough going for it to indeed be a true Raiders jacket, and with that information out there on only one getting making it to the public, it is sure compelling.

Regards! Michaelson

if that is an actual raiders jacket, the pockets are larger than the ones on the confirmed screen used LC jacket......we'll have to go back to square one on our pocket discussions......

So, what's new?

You might want to read the rules .....

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Regard! Michaelson

if that is an actual raiders jacket, the pockets are larger than the ones on the confirmed screen used LC jacket......we'll have to go back to square one on our pocket discussions......

I thought we made it quite clear so far that the Rotla pockets are bigger than the LC?

Also, notice how round are the pockets at their bottom. Like if I see an FS jacket.

I know Dave Marshall of FS wasn't real fond of trying to change the pocket flaps, let alone he pocket shape, as it was just easier to use standard A-2 flight jacket flaps in production. He was told that first, the shape was wrong, and second, they were to thick.

He changed the flap for the second production run after much discussion and deliberation, and though not as scalloped as these Wested examples, they were MUCH closer than the A-2 versions they first used.

I can't say I blame him, as they were trying to keep costs down by using items already on hand....but they quickly discovered how nitpicky this group can be.

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:PLATON, where is the jacket in the first photo physically located? That photo just isn't familiar to me.

Regards! Michaelson

I assume it's the jacket from the Butterfield auction that has been on the main Indygear site for several years.

That's the photo I was thinking of, whiskey. I had never seen the color photo, so I believe it IS the jacket _ spec'd, and if so, that's a screen used stunt jacket.

Regards! Michaelson

Both hats seem to have a loose bow, so i think it's the same lot. Nice looking jacket either way.

Ah, I learned something new today!

VERY good. I wonder if this one (number 1) was a hero or stunt jacket?

Regards! Michaelson

If that is the case, this photo deserves to be a permanent addition to the indygear site.

Agreed!

Regards! Michaelson

If this one exists, (that is on the site) then why the other wouldn't?

I don't understand.
I just said that maybe that photo should be on the site. Michaelson agreed.
You say that I am optimistic if I believe that this jacket exists?

I examined number 2, which was in much worse shape - the forearms being torn and one patch pocket hanging on by the thinnest of threads.

Could this one be it? Hmmm?

See the padding inside his shirt? visible from the sleeve.

First thing I noticed.

Hey agent5,

Do you have front view of that?

Look at how much longer the sleeves are than the body!

Question: Do we know that this jacket on display was, in fact, a stunt jacket? Could it have been a hero jacket?

Mr. _, would you still have the measurements you took from the stunt jacket? I'm very curious about what adjustments (if any) were made on the FS/G&B pattern.

So, I take it that the G&B people never saw the jacket in person? They constructed their pattern soley from the information you were able to provide?

I'm very curious about what adjustments (if any) were made on the FS/G&B pattern.

I was curious about that as well. Do you recall if the side vent was sewn up as it was on the Temple jackets? This seemed to be apparent on all the Raiders stunt jackets except the ones Ford wore for his stunt scenes, which we recently thought could be the jackets US Wings said to have provided for Raiders.

A bit confusing but I honestly think someday we may know the answer.

I do know it would have been smart for FS to change the side vents if in fact they were sewn up on the jacket you looked over because Indyfans wanted the Raiders jacket and it would have only been a very minor change to the design. Everything else seemed relatively the same.

It's cool seeing the pic of Terry Leonard wearing the stunt jacket that _ handled, which later helped to bring the G&B Expedition to life. Awesome!

One very important detail that makes me doubt if this is the hero jacket is the distance of the pockets from the storm flap. Also the size of the pockets, maybe too big.

Look how close they are here

Paterson, you said the sleeves are to long because of the narrow shoulders on the dummy? If you look at the pic that Platon posted, HF has narrow shoulders too. About the pockets though, if all the jackets were made the same for ROTLA, maybe it's not a Raiders jacket.

_ wrote: Good point. He also has been described as having "monkey arms"...

I have seen this picture before, about four years ago. I remember the caption under it saying that the items were part of a movie memorabilia display that was touring the US - I presume in the late 1980's or early 1990's.

It does, however look more like auction items to me.

Either way, I thought then and I think now that the jacket's pockets look too long and rectangular to be a movie jacket.

I think there may be a question around whether any jackets were specifically made to be sent on tour for exhibition purposes only. I know a Raiders jacket was on display in Sydney here for 6 months in the late 1980's. I don't think it was a real movie jacket but made, like some Star Wars memorabilia, for the consumtion of fans at expos, etc.

What do others think? There maybe several such jackets around.

The above image shows clearly that the jacket pictured was on auction at Butterfields & Butterfields. Question is whether this one is the same with the one in the first photo of this thread. I don'y know.

But the fact that there are tags on the bag and jacket make me think "auction".

Also, one observation about that photo is that the pockets are off-center but not the same thing as with the photo with Marion above.

That pocket placement looks WAY off. That wouldn't look close to normal. In my opinion, the jacket may not be zipped.

Instead, in order to fit around the dummy bust or whatever the jacket is on, I think they probably overlapped the two ends of the jacket to provide a more realistic, fitting look.

If you notice the sleeves, they're bent, so there's something going on - wire body frame?

Either way, I don't think the jacket is zipped, which explains why that left pocket looks so close to the storm flap.

http://www.indygear.com/images/butter2.jpg

Don't you think it's the same jacket with this one, only different photo?

I think the jackets are the same - only displayed differently. Note how far from the center the left pocket is. Very unusual. The storm flap in the auction display photo is flipped open - pointing toward the camera. It makes the right pocket look further from the center than it is.

One thing that strikes me is that the Raiders pockets were definitely bigger than the others, and they were closer to the bottom of the jacket.

Something that has bothered me is the color of the jacket. It looks like russet HH. It may the lighting or the fact that it has not seen any kind of leather treatment and baking under display lights its whole life.

The colour most likely reflects the quality of the photo. We must never take any photo as being a true reflection of reality. Photo's are more like a sketch, an approximation of the object. Also, if the item is for auction, it is unlikely to be lit up except briefly when on display.

I think the jacket was probably a display jacket, specifically made to be shown around as a "costume" for publicity purposes.