Last trials before the BIG order

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:43 pm

I 've been playing around with some pocket flap pic I found.
That's the ideal flap to me.

So I placed the new pockets that measure 7 x 6.5 over my old jacket and erased the old ones. (I know I didn't match the colors that well).

The left pocket's distance from flap is 2.5 inches but that is making the storm flap to appear very narrow. (Storm flap measures 1.5 inch, while original distance of pocket from storm flap is 2.3 inches)

Distance of pocket from hem is 2 inches (original is 1.37 inches). It seems pocket is too far away, I think it should be something like 1.8 inches.

So what do you think?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:02 pm

With all due respect those pocket flaps suffer from the "Elvis Collar effect", you know how his collars got more and more exaggerated as he got older, that's what's happening here.

The screen ones are more scalloped than we see on most jackets but nowhere near as much as those ones.

Note: The one we see all the time, scallped but without the big teardrop effect.

The other pocket on the same jacket, much less scalloped.

Basically the curve is too rounded.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:02 pm

I don't know if you noticed, but right collar seems pointed and left rounded. That's what I call screen accuracy!!!

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:04 pm

Note: The one we see all the time, scallped but without the big teardrop effect.

'Teardrop' huh? I guess you are right. I 'll pause my order to think about that.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:47 pm

I see a shape a bit more like this:

Not perfect, but I'm only drawing on a track pad here!

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:02 pm

How does this one grab you?

GCR · Post by **GCR** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:07 pm

Kt Templar wrote:How does this one grab you?

It grabbed me alright! It grabbed me by the collar, shook me around and told me to put it on my next jacket!!! That pocket design looks great, KT!!! Any chance you could slip it to Peter if he decides to make that new ROTLA jacket???

-GCR

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:28 am

My idea about the flap is slightly different than that.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:49 am

I've sent you the file illustrator, I'd be interested to see what you end up with.

That one is exactly to scale with the pic, taking the slight distortion into account. (note the flaps looks a little asymmetric in that image.) The flap is the right height

. Ok, i've made the flap about 2mm longer! This time round.

Regards,

Kt.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:22 am

That's a great picture Kt. Is there a way to scale the measure down considering a jacket lenght of 24"?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:55 am

erri_wan wrote:That's a great picture Kt. Is there a way to scale the measure down considering a jacket lenght of 24"?

Erri If you want me to superimpose it on your jacket just post a pic of it flat without any "keystone" distortion and I will scale it for you. You can then see what you think.

Kt.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:05 am

If you want to try, please, be my guest

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:07 am

I've sent you the file illustrator, I'd be interested to see what you end up with.

I'll be happy to show you if you can help me overcome the problems I have in opening the .ai files. (Check your email)

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:43 am

So, what sized jacket is this pocket size for? The measurements have to be for a specified size because if you size up or down the pocket size will have to change in relation to the jacket size.
When I did the my specs it was for my sized jacket, a 42 R. I see your specs are a little different with a 1/2 inch less on the length but I see you came up with the same measurements for the width and pocket flap, though.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:51 am

Thanks for popping in 5! Do you have any other ref shots which can add to that one?

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:32 am

Here's the best I can do on short notice.

HF looking directly into the camera. He did this all the time.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:24 am

Okay, I designed 3 pockets.
The first is KT Templar's design with the wings of the flap trimmed.
The second is the same with a little more pointy tip.
The third (which is my preference) is the same with the second but the center of the flap measures something more than 3 inches.

I believe that the more pointy tip matches the photos below, which vary from the one outside the temple.

What is your opinion?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:37 am

I still like my one a bit better

. I do believe the flap should be slightly wider than the pocket. It might be that it should be very slightly more pointed but I'm going to err slightly on the side of caution. (Don't want to do an Elvis).

.

And this pic is for Erri, completely unscientific, I just blew your pic up to 24" and put the pocket over it. Then aligned the similar angles.

Indiana Kev · Post by **Indiana Kev** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:24 pm

Looking at the three options PLATON just posted, I think the first one looks the best.

agent5 · Post by **agent5** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:46 pm

Ironically, the first pic looks exactly as it does on my jacket.

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:04 pm

i always get a kick out of seeing that display agent5! well done sir

CM · Post by CM » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:56 pm

All this pocket stuff is fascinating. I'm especially interested to note how people see totally different things in the very same photos. Surely some psychologist would be able to write a fascinating paper along the lines of "Perceptions and Visions and the Indiana Jones Jacket."

Post by **Michaelson** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:00 pm

Actually, there have been a couple dissertations written using us as examples in years past.

Regards! Michaelson

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:04 pm

Just you wait till someone here gets hold of an HD copy of Raiders ALL **** will break loose.

independent · Post by **independent** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:05 pm

Kt Templar wrote:
And this pic is for Erri, completely unscientific, I just blew your pic up to 24" and put the pocket over it. Then aligned the similar angles.

AHHH...much better.

Indiana Charles · Post by **Indiana Charles** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:22 pm

Kt Templar wrote:Just you wait till someone here gets hold of an HD copy of Raiders ALL **** will break loose.

$\:D/$ I'll pop the popcorn.

- I.C.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:55 am

Ironically, the first pic looks exactly as it does on my jacket.

Agent5, which first pic are you referring to?

KT Templar, the photo for Erri looks good but there is another detail to be taken into account.

Now that the pocket is smaller, its distance from the bottom of the jacket should be different, a tad larger. Not to mention the distance from the zipper/storm flap.

What do you think?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:10 am

PLATON wrote:
Ironically, the first pic looks exactly as it does on my jacket.
Agent5, which first pic are you referring to?

KT Templar, the photo for Erri looks good but there is another detail to be taken into account.

Now that the pocket is smaller, its distance from the bottom of the jacket should be different, a tad larger. Not to mention the distance from the zipper/storm flap.

What do you think?

Maybe a touch higher but not by a lot. I believe the bottom of the pocket probably goes about the same distance from the bottom of the jacket as the width of the stormflap plus (perhaps) the the width of the piping.

As for distance from the stormflap, equaldistance from the closed flap so they appear even. This is normally spot on Westeds.

Alathea · Post by **Alathea** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:28 pm

I have to write a tech-themed Senior paper for my BS in ISM in the next year, so ive been reading papers on stuff that interests me to get back into APA mindset. Are there any sources to any papers that have discussed fandom and COW? I saw Michealson's post a few up regarding dissertations and my interest was peaked.

CAS

Post by **Michaelson** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:42 pm

We had a gentleman who worked on his Master thesis while attending a Canadian university. After he gathered his data, I never heard from him again, and I participated in his study.

That was about 5 years or so ago. I can't remember his name now, but you might want to do some Google searches or the like to see if anything pops up.

Regards! Michaelson

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:38 pm

OK the BIG order was made yesterday.
Peter said it's VERY close to what he prepares for 'screen' jacket.

Waiting now, pics later.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:21 am

Just wanted to add a little something about my order.

I left out some screen accurate specs in favor of utility. Those were

1. collar does not extend to the middle of storm flap.
2. pockets are not off-center.
3. pocket flaps not wider than pockets.

On the other hand they will use a 5 gauge alluminum zipper which I provided. Also, the color will not be auth lamb but dark lamb. I tried the auth lamb before and let me tell you, if you don't distress it doesn't look like the jacket on screen. The dark doesn't differ too much, it's just darker. Reminds me of the fight with the mechanic scene where I see a dusted dark brown jacket.

Dutch_jones · Post by **Dutch_jones** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:06 am

Hmm , This should be interesting.

I cant wait for the pics!

Toldog07 · Post by **Toldog07** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:22 am

PLATON, do u, or anyone else for that matter, know the specs that peter is going to use for his screen accurate jacket?

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:36 am

i thought those are agent 5 specs...no?

Toldog07 · Post by **Toldog07** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:47 am

well agent5's specs are good, but the measurments can't be 100% accurate. I thought maybe peter was going to pull out the original patterns that he has and use the official measurments for the pockets and such, as well as any other specs that he knows of that we dont. anyone know?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:18 pm

I'll tell you exactly what happened.
I sent my order by email and a few minutes later the phone rang and when I answered, there was somebody on the other line speaking Greek to me. I asked "who is this" and he said "it's Peter Botwright from Wested".

I can tell you, I was surpised (wasn't expecting him). Then we discussed my order and he said that what he saw in my order was pretty close to the 'screen jacket' he is preparing. Then I said that I will not reveal to indygear the details of my order until he is ready with his 'screen jacket'

My order wasn't for a 100% accurate jacket, intentionally.
One other feature of the accurate jacket I left out the side strap seam. I ordered x-box, while recent evidence has shown that the original was either a rectangular seam, or a folded strap with one seam only (like the LC jacket in the Smithsonian). See photo below

We spent a lot of time considering the size of the pocket but here's two photos showing that our assumptions were wrong. I already can hear you complaining "Yes, maybe that is another jacket". Sure, so in that case size of pocket can never be objective and each of us can choose size what he likes and be happy with it.

Believe me, I know the screen accurate specs for the jacket, at least at 95%. I have given it very serious thought. The jacket has been the item I am mostly interested in. I have done a great research. OK, for the pants too, but that was a lot easier.

Also, the pocket flap appears to be wider than the pocket in certain shots but that has to be a result of the heavy distress the jacket has been subject to. Come on, I mean I can't imagine any reasonable maker crafting the flap wider. There's no point for that. (not to mention that it's not wider in the pics above).

I decided, if the fit of the jacket of this order is good, I will order one more with ALL the accurate specs this time. (I still have 2 accurate 5 gauge alluminum zippers here).

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:43 pm

nice post platon,

i guess i'm a little happier with my raiders jacket now knowing that the pockets in the pic aren't the smaller 7 x 6 pockets. i wonder when peter is going to unveil the screen jacket? i guess its time to start saving up again

....i didn't know peter spoke greek

......OPA!

CM · Post by CM » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:26 pm

Well now... those last two photos show a pocket which does indeed look longer than most. Almost like the standard Wested.

My only issue is this. There are no shots on screen in the film (that I have seen) which reflect this look. For me, stunt jackets or jackets in any other "making of" photos don't count as Indy Jackets. They are stand ins just as surely as Harrison himself had stand ins. Not the real deal.

Am I being unreasonable?

Rundquist · Post by **Rundquist** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:52 pm

CM wrote:Well now... those last two photos show a pocket which does indeed look longer than most. Almost like the standard Wested.

My only issue is this. There are no shots on screen in the film (that I have seen) which reflect this look. For me, stunt jackets or jackets in any other "making of" photos don't count as Indy Jackets. They are stand ins just as surely as Harrison himself had stand ins. Not the real deal.

Am I being unreasonable?

No more than any of the other freaks on the board.

$\:D/$

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:53 pm

Am I being unreasonable?

...only to the folks at the 'close enough' camp.

as for me. ford wore it, peter made it....regardless if it did or didn't appear on screen....good enough for me. my 2 cents.

jacksparrow900 · Post by **jacksparrow900** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:57 pm

when will peter offer the screen accurate jacket how much more does he have to do

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:59 pm

jacksparrow900 wrote:when will peter offer the screen accurate jacket how much more does he have to do

Almost there....

Indiana G · Post by **Indiana G** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:01 pm

KT, you big tease! why don't you sneak into wested tomorrow with a spy cam and snap some pics for us?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:07 pm

Won't be long before a new prototype. He has a leather that is scarily like the last 2 pics Platon posted.

GCR · Post by **GCR** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:40 pm

Kt Templar wrote:Won't be long before a new prototype. He has a leather that is scarily like the last 2 pics Platon posted.

Scarily like the jacket Ford is wearing in the shots from the Raven Bar set??? Oh MAN, I gotta see this...

-GCR

CM · Post by CM » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:21 pm

By the way, those new Raven Bar making of shots look like the same jacket (pocket size) as is on display in that post about the possible auction display jacket. The one we were all trying to place a few days back.

DeWayne · Post by **DeWayne** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:38 pm

Notice the flap looks less scalloped in the middle pic, and quite scalloped in the bottom one. Only because of the slight angle change, and maybe a bit of motion blur.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:32 am

What troubles me is that the pockets seem to be very rectangular in comparison with the photo outside the temple.

Rectangular and big. 7.5 inches high maybe more.

It is comforting that the pocket looks much like my standard Wested's but I am a little worried because I just ordered 7 x 6.5.

We'll see.

jacksparrow900 · Post by **jacksparrow900** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:40 pm

will the screen jacket be the same jacket size harrison ford wore

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