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Indy fedora and the cowboy connection

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:25 pm
by Fedora
I realize that at first glance, there seems to be no connection, but consider this. From TLC we know that Indy spent some of his childhood in the West, surrounded by ranchers and cowboys. And of course they wore hats. We see him moving up from his Boy Scout hat, a Montana Pinch crease, to a shorter brimmed western style hat that morphs into a fedora by the way that Fedora placed it on his head, squeezing in the basic fedora crease as he does so. The scene fades into Indy wearing that same sort of hat. Now, with that is mind, read on to a few excerpts I have coped from a book that I have, Hats And the Cowboys Who Wear Them.

COWBOY'S HISTORY OF THE HAT

Hats have been worn for one of two reasons: either to impress somebody with who you are, or to help you in your work. The first hats seem to have been worn by tribal chiefs to let everybody know they were the boss. Then the spirit guides got into the act to let everybody know they were in touch with the Big Boss in the Sky.

But when man and women began to work with the land, they needed something to protect their heads from the elements. It didn't matter what the hat looked like or who it impressed-which was probably nobody. What mattered was how it worked. And people probably started to have competitions to create the best hats: the biggest, the most artistic, best use of natural resources-the usual kind of contests. And maybe people became more impressed with the hat as a status symbol than as useful for clothing.


As time went by and people got fed up with high-hatting, non-working nincompoops, things did a 180, and the only hats that folks continued to wear were the ones that worked. And of all the hats that work, the one that works the best is the cowboy hat:

It gives your neck and face shade from the sun.
It keeps your head dry when it rains, sleets, snows, or hails.
You can use it to fan a campfire to life, whip a fightin' cow away, or
swat a bronc on the neck.
You can use it for a pillow.
You can use the crown to carry water for your horse and the brim as a
cup to water yourself.
It protects you from low-lying branches.
You can use it to signal somebody from far away.
Tossing it in the air tells the world you happy.
No only does it work for you, you look good in it.


This book is filled with laconic and hilarious thoughts and what the book basically does is to define the different styles of hats with a commentary on the sort of guy that wears one. Here are a couple of examples.


OPEN CROWN HAT

There are no creases anywhere on this hat. Could be this hombre thinks he looks good enough that his hat don't matter. On the other hand, he might just like to keep things simple. Or on the third hand, it might be that he's never bothered to give his, or his hat's, looks any thought whatsoever. Whichever one it is, he'll tend to be pretty spare in his thinking. He won't give a lot of thought to frills, creature comforts, or comfortable creatures.


Aussie Bush Hat

The only reason cowboys "down under" wear this floppy wonder is because nobody name John B. Stetson ever emigratated down there. The bloke who wears this hat tends to have a reckless outlook on life. It's a wild 'n' woolly work hat, not meant to be a fashion statement, though that don't stop a lot of folks from wearin' it anyway. The wearer favors Jeeps over pickups, knives over guns, and perfers a cold beer to chardonnay any day, mate.




Flat-Top Brim


A flat -topped hat with a flat brim takes itself very seriously and so does the joker who wears it. He measures his words and weighs yours very carefully. Best not to joke around this fella; his idea of fun probably ain't yours. In other words, he won't get it and you might. He tends to be a loner and generally misunderstood-this is mainly 'cause he don't bother to explain himself very much. He won't dance 'cause he don't like crowds. The woman who wears this hat won't like to be crowded either, but that don't mean she won't dance.

And here is my favorite one!


Cutout


To make a cutout, the hatter cuts the design out of the crown of the hat and then glues or stiitches a piece of dyed leather on the inside of the hat to cover up the hole. (Sounds like a lot of extra work to me) Sometimes he or she will also weave a piece of leather around the outside of the brim that matches one of the cutouts. All this is done strictly for looks, and the fella who wears one of these unique toppers is obviously looking to stand out in a crowd. He figures if folks notice his hat, they'll notice him. If the hat doesn't work by itself, he's likely to start singing or playing a musical instrument. If this fails to get their attention, he'll start telling jokes or doing old Stan Freberg routines- or even tossin' out quotes from books like Don't Squat With Yer Spurs On! If after all this, he still is being ignored, he'll throw himself on the floor and roll around imitatin' varmint dances. Not a pretty or polite thing to see. I recommend you notice his hat to start with and avoid all the rest of his disgustin' display.


Also in the book are several facts listed about beaver hats, and stuff like this:

Hat-ism

Hat in Hand- This one's as plain as a new saloon in a church district. Your hat is worn on your head, the seat of who you are. It is your most prideful adornment. You only take it off to show respect or if you feel humble before some, and not many hombres who wear a cowboy hat feel all that humble. It's always been this way.



:lol: I like this author. I have some more of this stuff if anyone want me to post it. But, I am a very slow typer, so speak only if you are really intereted in this.

Oh, here a couple of facts in the book that I was not aware of.

Old hats weigh less than new ones.
Beaver fur is lighter in weight than other furs. So the more beaver fur in a blend, the lighter the hat. Fedora

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:41 pm
by Indiana Kev
Thanks for posting that...my favorite part was,

"Tossing it in the air tells the world you happy."

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:52 pm
by GCR
This is great stuff! I like the way this guy writes!

I always thought there was a bit of Western flavor in the Raiders hat...with the taller crown and wider brim. I wouldn't call it a cowboy hat, necessarily, but it has a little bit of that in it, unlike the ToD and LC hats, which seem more like a standard fedora.

-GCR

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:57 pm
by Fedora
I always thought there was a bit of Western flavor in the Raiders hat...with the taller crown and wider brim. I wouldn't call it a cowboy hat, necessarily, but it has a little bit of that in it, unlike the ToD and LC hats, which seem more like a standard fedora.
Me too. Honestly, I did not like fedoras until I saw Raiders. The fedoras of my dad, uncles and grandpas were too short with too stingy of a brim and came with feathers. Heck, when I first saw the Raiders fedora, I did not even recognize it as a fedora!! It had a little western flavor to it. Fedora

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:10 pm
by GCR
Fedora wrote: The fedoras of my dad, uncles and grandpas were too short with too stingy of a brim and came with feathers. Fedora
:lol: I hear ya! What was with the feathers, anyway? :-k

I've always thought that those kinds of hats, which I suppose might "technically" fall into the Fedora category, ought to be called something different.

Example:

FEDORA

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NOT a Fedora

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Again, this is just my opinion. I know ALL those hats could be grouped under the blanket term of "fedora", but I really think the stingy brim / low crown variety need a unique designation.

-GCR

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:14 pm
by Indiana Kev
Years ago when I was about 11 I was Indy for Halloween, my Dad used one of his dad's old fedoras to play the role of Indy's dad and it looked just like the last hat pic you posted GCR.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:23 pm
by GCR
Indiana Kev wrote:Years ago when I was about 11 I was Indy for Halloween, my Dad used one of his dad's old fedoras to play the role of Indy's dad and it looked just like the last hat pic you posted GCR.
That last hat, with it's turn down brim almost reminds me of a hybrid between Indy's hat and Henry Sr's hat from LC.

I know a lot of the shorter brim / lower crown (usually with some sort of taper blocked in) hats seemed to come on the scene as hats were declining in popularity. Mainly through the 50's and 60's and probably into the 70's. Anyone know why this trend occured? Seems like the wider brim and taller, straighter crowns were much more popular during the 20's & 30's and early 40's. We've often speculated as to why hats went out of mainstream style (that's usually when the ol' JFK theories start getting thrown around), but does anyone know why the hat style itself started to gravitate towards this more "compact" look, with short brims and crowns?

-GCR

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:30 pm
by Indiana G
nice post fedora. coming from cowboy central myself, alot of the info in there i find quite familiar.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:49 pm
by mark seven
GCR wrote:
Fedora wrote: I know ALL those hats could be grouped under the blanket term of "fedora", but I really think the stingy brim / low crown variety need a unique designation
How about.. 'Ridiculous hats'?

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:55 pm
by Fedora
Anyone know why this trend occured? Seems like the wider brim and taller, straighter crowns were much more popular during the 20's & 30's and early 40's. We've often speculated as to why hats went out of mainstream style (that's usually when the ol' JFK theories start getting thrown around), but does anyone know why the hat style itself started to gravitate towards this more "compact" look, with short brims and crowns?
I am not really sure of why. But it seemed to happen once cars started coming with lower tops, instead of the higher ones. Perhaps to keep the hat from hitting the liner? At any rate, the hats of the 70's reflected those gosh awful ugly things posted above. But the move was made before then because my memories of hats start in the late 50's (born in 51) and they all seemed to be low crowned and short brimmed. But, I recall one hat my grandpa had, a fedora that was taller but still the brim was rather short. And the brim was bound too. Here is another excerpt from the book.


Hat Feathers

The kinda cowboy that wears a feather in his hat probably rides a Peterbilt with more horsepower than a herd of the wildest ponies. He drives cattle not by the hoof but by the ton, along with anything else that needs to be moved. He's torn between Richard Petty being the king and Elvis, who is the king.
Of coure there's also the turquoise hats with lots of feathers that you win at the state fair and only wear 'til you sober up.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:18 pm
by Indiana G
alot of rodeo cowboys down here wore hawk feathers or eagle feathers tied to their hat ribbon for good luck when going up against a 1 tonne animal. i had a pigeon hawk feather that i used in mine when i was riding bulls. pretty small feather as it was not a main wing feather....it didn't give me too much luck to get in the short go or to even make 8 seconds but i guess as far as not breaking anything and even staying alive...it worked like a charm! :D

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:27 pm
by rick5150
Fedora wrote:Old hats weigh less than new ones.
Beaver fur is lighter in weight than other furs. So the more beaver fur in a blend, the lighter the hat. Fedora
That has to be due to moisture. No physical mass is removed other than the natural oils, water repellants, etc.

Assumably the more beaver in a hat, the lighter the hat compared to a hat of the same density & thickness? Doesn't the beaver fur's ability to be felted very densely make a heavier hat. It seems as if some of the beaver fur hats I have had are thinner than rabbit, yet weigh more.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:37 pm
by GCR
mark seven wrote:
GCR wrote:I know ALL those hats could be grouped under the blanket term of "fedora", but I really think the stingy brim / low crown variety need a unique designation
How about.. 'Ridiculous hats'?
:tup: :lol:

I really don't care for that look in a hat. I don't know what purpose it serves, as the brims on those hats don't seem wide enough to be functional. :?:

And this isn't intended as a slam on those folks who like the stingy brim style hats. I think hats need a certain balance to look right. Even though the crowns on those hats are shorter than I would prefer, the brim is still far too short to have the right ratio in my opinion. If each one of those hats I've thrown into the "Not a Fedora" group had a brim of at least 2 1/4 - 2 3/8, they might look a LOT better and be eligible for the true fedora category. But those short brims make the proportions look funny to me. Same thing happens on a hat with a regular crown and a really wide brim, say, 3 1/2 to 4 inches (depending on how it's styled, I'm not including Western hats, just really wide brimmed fedoras). A hat with a 4 inch crown and a 3 1/2 inch brim would look sort of funny to me as well. I think the Raiders hat is right at the point of perfection in terms of its crown and brim ratios. The crown is high, without being too high...same with the brim, its wide, without being too wide. Another 1/2 added to either one could throw the whole balance out of whack.

Just my observations...
Fedora wrote:Hat Feathers

The kinda cowboy that wears a feather in his hat probably rides a Peterbilt with more horsepower than a herd of the wildest ponies. He drives cattle not by the hoof but by the ton, along with anything else that needs to be moved. He's torn between Richard Petty being the king and Elvis, who is the king.
Of coure there's also the turquoise hats with lots of feathers that you win at the state fair and only wear 'til you sober up.
:lol:

-GCR