One hat for all occasions?
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One hat for all occasions?
Set aside the fact that different hats were used in the making of the movies. Are we to assume that Indy only had one hat? Or that he had a hat for civilization and one for adventure? I don't remember seeing him travel with any hat boxes.
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I always thought so.
Consider the fact that almost every town in his day had 3 or 4 hat shops that specialized in hat cleaning, reblocking and the like. When I was growing up, there were 2 in MY hometown up to the mid 60's before finally closing their doors.
So, considering the quality and availability of good felt hats at the time, they COULD stand several rebuilds, and constant service...so many men only OWNED one hat....or at the most two....one for every day wear, and the other for church.
That's what my Dad did.
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Consider the fact that almost every town in his day had 3 or 4 hat shops that specialized in hat cleaning, reblocking and the like. When I was growing up, there were 2 in MY hometown up to the mid 60's before finally closing their doors.
So, considering the quality and availability of good felt hats at the time, they COULD stand several rebuilds, and constant service...so many men only OWNED one hat....or at the most two....one for every day wear, and the other for church.
That's what my Dad did.
Regards! Michaelson
Also, take into consideration that hats weren't that important back in the day. For fashion, yes. Men didn't leave the house without one, but I mean important in terms of value. They were in abundance, and you could get one wherever you wanted. If a hat was ruined, it wasn't that big of a deal, because it could be replaced. A good hat was just that, a good hat, and you would have it cleaned and serviced every so often or when it needed it, but if it finally died on you, it wasn't a catastrophe, because it was easily replaceable. Not like if someone's modern day AB had something happen to it. The two reactions just wouldn't be the same.
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2 Hats
Of course he had 2. One gray and one brown!
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It's 2006 and I'm a long time away from The Golden Era, and I have at least 4 fedoras. Two I've set aside for Coppertop and Harry. Now if I have more then one, it's a safe assumption that a man of that calaber had at least two.
... and I'm still working on my theory on whether the Sea Plalne fedora was Gray or Brown.
(Gray is a Color, Grey is someone's last name.)
... and I'm still working on my theory on whether the Sea Plalne fedora was Gray or Brown.
(Gray is a Color, Grey is someone's last name.)
It always looked odd to me too. I remember seeing a few episodes where the hat looked as if he had it on backwards. The back was higher than the front and it never really looked right. It looks too big for the shape of his face. The front pinch looks like it was done by accident while picking it up, it is so vague.conceited_ape wrote:...which brings me to chime in. I've heard of bad continuity but my god why was the YIJC hat so bloody terrible?!
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It appears that the "gray" varient appeared later, as an American
English varient of "grey". Both have mostly the same many meanings:
"gray1 also grey ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gr)
adj. gray·er, also grey·er gray·est, grey·est
Of or relating to an achromatic color of any lightness between the
extremes of black and white.
Dull or dark: a gray, rainy afternoon.
Lacking in cheer; gloomy: a gray mood.
Having gray hair; hoary.
Old or venerable.
Intermediate in character or position, as with regard to a subjective
matter: the gray area between their differing opinions on the film's
morality.
n.
An achromatic color of any lightness between the extremes of black and
white.
An object or animal of the color gray.
often Gray
A member of the Confederate Army in the Civil War.
The Confederate Army. "
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So yes, "grey" is a color, and was always so. Us Americans had to go
and be different with "gray."
A few meanings are unique, however, to the "gray" varient. For
example:
"gray
n. Abbr. Gy
The SI unit for the energy absorbed from ionizing radiation, equal to
one joule per kilogram."
Dictionary.com
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You might also find these links interesting:
[ http://flakmag.com/misc/grey.html ]
"Gray" is the American spelling. "Grey" is the British spelling."
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English varient of "grey". Both have mostly the same many meanings:
"gray1 also grey ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gr)
adj. gray·er, also grey·er gray·est, grey·est
Of or relating to an achromatic color of any lightness between the
extremes of black and white.
Dull or dark: a gray, rainy afternoon.
Lacking in cheer; gloomy: a gray mood.
Having gray hair; hoary.
Old or venerable.
Intermediate in character or position, as with regard to a subjective
matter: the gray area between their differing opinions on the film's
morality.
n.
An achromatic color of any lightness between the extremes of black and
white.
An object or animal of the color gray.
often Gray
A member of the Confederate Army in the Civil War.
The Confederate Army. "
Dictionary.com
[ http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gray ]
So yes, "grey" is a color, and was always so. Us Americans had to go
and be different with "gray."
A few meanings are unique, however, to the "gray" varient. For
example:
"gray
n. Abbr. Gy
The SI unit for the energy absorbed from ionizing radiation, equal to
one joule per kilogram."
Dictionary.com
[ http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gray ]
You might also find these links interesting:
[ http://flakmag.com/misc/grey.html ]
"Gray" is the American spelling. "Grey" is the British spelling."
[ http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/g/gray.html ]
Search terms:
Dictonary
grey gray spelling
TR
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conceited_ape wrote:...which brings me to chime in. I've heard of bad continuity but my god why was the YIJC hat so bloody terrible?!
My opinion doesn’t count (because I think even the Raiders hat looks stupid), but that young Indiana Jones hat is stinky. I didn’t know Indiana Jones was supposed to be a hillbilly from the Appellation Mountains . Life’s too short to have only one hat (and having 10 versions of the same hat doesn’t count). If you can get your hands on more than one, go for it. Cheersrick5150 wrote: It always looked odd to me too. I remember seeing a few episodes where the hat looked as if he had it on backwards. The back was higher than the front and it never really looked right. It looks too big for the shape of his face. The front pinch looks like it was done by accident while picking it up, it is so vague.
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That's a good question. As an Indiana Jones fan it sounds almost like sacrilege. At one time (in my own case), it would have been. I just got to the point where I like “slick” looking hats. What’s “slick”, is subjective of course. But the Indy hat has three things going against it as far as my own tastes go.Renderking Fisk wrote:Rundquist: Why do you think the Jones hat looks stupid?
It’s tall as heck. I’ve heard many people on the boards talk about their first Indy hat experience. Most of them say “At first I thought it was too tall”. That’s because it is too tall. The Indiana Jones hat is too tall for most people. There are actually only a few guys out there that need a hat to be that tall to balance their face.
The Indy hat has a raw edge. That to me is like an unfinished fedora. I don’t care for the dimensional cut either, especially when it’s been done badly.
Lastly I don’t really like brown for a fedora. I like gray or blue. When I give my opinion, it’s not to make fun of anyone (beyond saying you’re all wearing a hat that I don’t dig). I’m just putting out an opposing viewpoint on the board. I realize that some might become agitated by my opinion.
And that doesn’t mean that I want Indiana Jones wearing a different hat if and when there’s a new movie. I’m a fan. And it’s too late for that now anyway. Cheers
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Well stated, well refined, and a very cordial dissenting opinion, Rundiquist. If everyone could disagree with each other with such courtesy, the world would be a better place!
I think that the 'screen accurate' indy hat is too tall for most folks too--but a good bash can make something a lot more in proportion to ones face. It's all in how you carry it, in my opinion.
I currently have 3 hats--a Straw, a Gray Federation and a Brown federation. One is for Adventurin', one is for Dressin' up, and the other is for Summer.
And then there's my leather Tricorn for the bars. Girls love it.
Cheers
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I think that the 'screen accurate' indy hat is too tall for most folks too--but a good bash can make something a lot more in proportion to ones face. It's all in how you carry it, in my opinion.
I currently have 3 hats--a Straw, a Gray Federation and a Brown federation. One is for Adventurin', one is for Dressin' up, and the other is for Summer.
And then there's my leather Tricorn for the bars. Girls love it.
Cheers
Craig
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So, you've decided to pimp your fedora. To each, his own. I don't particularly care for the gangsta look, myself, even though it is much more popular in today's culture than an Indy fedora.Rundquist wrote:That's a good question. As an Indiana Jones fan it sounds almost like sacrilege. At one time (in my own case), it would have been. I just got to the point where I like “slick” looking hats. What’s “slick”, is subjective of course. But the Indy hat has three things going against it as far as my own tastes go.Renderking Fisk wrote:Rundquist: Why do you think the Jones hat looks stupid?
You can imagine my horror then, when GraveRobberGreg and I were walking through the airport headed to last year's QM, and one of the baggage handlers complimented us on our hats. We were obviously wearing brown, Indy fedoras, and he says, "Great looking hats. You look just like gangsters".
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I've got a brown Federation coming my way. I also have a black dress hat that I often wear in the winter. It's a more finished looking hat -- pre-shaped with a teardrop sharp bash to it on the crown. It's a little tapered, and the brim has a black ribbon on the edge. Not a really obvious one, but it's there nonetheless.
I like both looks, though, and a well maintained self-shaped hat with no ribbon on the brim can still look pretty classy in my opinion.
As far as color goes, to me it all depends on the suit you're wearing. Brown will only really go with earth tones and some blues, I find. Grey and black are a bit more versatile. And I almost never see blue, but I probably wouldn't buy one if only because a blue hat may not be the same blue as my suits, in which case it'd look off.
But again, that's just my personal tastes.
I like both looks, though, and a well maintained self-shaped hat with no ribbon on the brim can still look pretty classy in my opinion.
As far as color goes, to me it all depends on the suit you're wearing. Brown will only really go with earth tones and some blues, I find. Grey and black are a bit more versatile. And I almost never see blue, but I probably wouldn't buy one if only because a blue hat may not be the same blue as my suits, in which case it'd look off.
But again, that's just my personal tastes.
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Well, we should all know by now that the Raiders hat was not really that tall. A 5 inch tall creased hat is not tall, but a 5 1/2 creased hat is a tall hat. Now, if you compare this with a 4 inch tall creased hat, it does look tall, but nothing close to some of the taller vintage hats around at the turn of the 20th century. The height of a hat is relative to the times. I used to make my hats all 5 3.4 open crown which creases down to 5 1/4. I noticed very soon when the pics started to be posted that my hats were too tall!!! 2 years later and after Mr. Garrisons hat studies, using the ribbon as the defining factor, I am absolutely certain of the height of the Raiders fedora. 5 inches max in its creased state. When Deborah stated the Poet was a tall hat, remember that at that time as now, most hats had shorter crowns. So, it was a tall hat compared to a 4 inch crown, but this was relative.think that the 'screen accurate' indy hat is too tall for most folks too--but a good bash can make something a lot more in proportion to ones face. It's all in how you carry it, in my opinion.
Also, I have heard over the years that the tight front pinch was an anomaly for the period. Wrong. After watching the collection of old serials that Michaelson shared with me, I can tell ya, the tight pinched front was not an anomaly at all. Even Barney Fife sported the tight pinch on his panama hat. But, this was done way before that show was created. The tight pinch was a fairly common crease.
I think that the costumer chose wisely when she picked the Poet as the Raiders fedora. Could you imagine Indy wearing a dressy bound brim hat? I can't. Can you imagine him in a porkpie? I can't either. Stingy brimmed, low crown hats make for good comedy, then and now. Buster Keaton looked funny with his, as he should . To me, and I am being honest here, nothing hurts a man's "look" more than a hat that looks comical. Unless he is out for laughs of course. I have never seen any man in a stingy brimmed low crowned hat that did not look ludicrous. I always wonder if they are like anorexics, that is, they see something totally different in the mirror than what everyone else sees. I feel the same way about baseball caps turned sideways and droopy pants with underwear showing. Clownish. This is my opinion only, and if I have insulted anyone, forgive me. I am just stating my own opinion, and we all know the old saw in regards to opinions. To me, any hat should primarily serve as protection, and once the brims get too stingy to do that, the hat is no longer protection but a fashion statement only. I hate fashion statements that exclude the utilitarian aspects. I want guns that actually fire when you pull the trigger, pants that actually keep you warm, and hats that actually serve as protection from the elements. Otherwise, I have no use for them at all. Fedora
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Thanks Steve! I've been telling folks that for years, based on personal observation and research, but my words have fallen on deaf ears. Glad to have another in my corner on that.Fedora wrote:Also, I have heard over the years that the tight front pinch was an anomaly for the period. Wrong. After watching the collection of old serials that Michaelson shared with me, I can tell ya, the tight pinched front was not an anomaly at all. Even Barney Fife sported the tight pinch on his panama hat. But, this was done way before that show was created. The tight pinch was a fairly common crease.
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Once you start looking for it, you see this tight pinch in many old films. Even the dimensional cut brim while not common, was used on hats back long ago. Joe Peters verified this a long time ago in a conversation. He had forgotten about them, but acknowledged they did indeed exist prior to Indy. A reverse derby cut. (derbies have wider brims on the sides generally)Thanks Steve! I've been telling folks that for years, based on personal observation and research, but my words have fallen on deaf ears. Glad to have another in my corner on that.
In regards to the stingy brims looking comedic, I thought I would show some examples we are all familiar with. Add the stingy brim to either a real tall or short hat and you get the chuckles coming, expecially if worn high on the head.
Add a tall crown to the stingy brim and you get this classic comedic look.
Of course, shrinking the brim finally brings you to the most comedic hat of all-the fez. No brim. This was the logical conclusion of the small brimmed hats.
Even if you wear an Indy fedora way up on your head, it does not approach the comedic.
Coming from the opposite side of the fence as Rundquist, to me the Raiders fedora is the most attractive of any hat that was made, and at any time. Much of it has to do with my own personal preference, but also stingy brimmed hats and 4 inch crowned hats just make me cringe. Until I discovered the Raiders fedora, I was happy wearing western hats or 2 3/4 brimmed panama hats. I think I was attracted to the Raiders fedora because it did not look like what I thought a traditional fedora looked like, and it had a western flair to it. It looks like a hybrid to me. Still does. Of course part of what moves it away from the traditional dress fedora is the warped, asymetrical brim, but also the tight front pinch, and practically non tapered look. And of course, the dimensional brim plays a large role as well. Plus, it does not have the traditonal American teardrop or C-crowns crease in the top. Rundquist, you are in good company. The only other guy that thinks the Raiders fedora is ugly is GH!!! I am just ragging ya here, and no offense, please. To each his own, and wear what you like. If we all liked the same thing, it would be a rather boring world. Fedora
Fedora makes a good point about slight hat spec changes making a world of difference in looks. Still, I wouldn’t equate not liking the Indiana Jones hat to liking bowlers, Fezzes, Top hats, and low crowned stingy brimmed hats. I just don’t go for the sombrero, or cowboy look, or whatever you want to call it.
Yes, some people wore tall crowned, tight pinched fedoras back in the 30’s. Others did not. If I lived back in the 30’s, I would be one of the guys who did not, is all I meant to say. The Indy hat doesn’t look quite as silly to me as some of the other hats in Fedora’s post, but it’s close. Cheers
Yes, some people wore tall crowned, tight pinched fedoras back in the 30’s. Others did not. If I lived back in the 30’s, I would be one of the guys who did not, is all I meant to say. The Indy hat doesn’t look quite as silly to me as some of the other hats in Fedora’s post, but it’s close. Cheers
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I say thank heavens we all have different tastes too! If we all wore and liked the same thing, this would sure be a boring existance!
I've also noticed that when some folks look really dumb in a particular hat, the same hat looks absloutely perfect on another. Strange.
It's all in how one carries themselves when wearing their hats. I've personally SEEN and HANDLED some of the fine hats that Rundquist owns. They just don't work for me.....but when Adam is wearing them.....welllll....they just work!!! It's all in the attitude, and how you wear the style.
Not giving Rundquist the 'big head'....but he LOOKS good in his narrow brim hats, and that's just all there is to it!!
Regards! Michaelson
I've also noticed that when some folks look really dumb in a particular hat, the same hat looks absloutely perfect on another. Strange.
It's all in how one carries themselves when wearing their hats. I've personally SEEN and HANDLED some of the fine hats that Rundquist owns. They just don't work for me.....but when Adam is wearing them.....welllll....they just work!!! It's all in the attitude, and how you wear the style.
Not giving Rundquist the 'big head'....but he LOOKS good in his narrow brim hats, and that's just all there is to it!!
Regards! Michaelson
You gotta wear the style that's you. Personally, I've always liked the wider brimmed, tall crowned fedoras, although I guess I can go either way on tight pinch or looser pinch. My one black hat is looser in the pinch and more purposely shaped, so it seems dressier to me (which is fine -- I wear it to work and I'm a lawyer, so a little dressy isn't a bad thing).
But yeah, if I lived in the 30s, ####, I'd probably have several different styles (if I could afford it). Might even own a top hat for going out to black or white tie events.
But yeah, if I lived in the 30s, ####, I'd probably have several different styles (if I could afford it). Might even own a top hat for going out to black or white tie events.
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