Origin of the Indiana Jones Jacket

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:33 pm

I've heard all these theories about the James Dean jacket, the resemblance with the G8 jacket and all but as I was looking around found the following photo of the so called G100 bomber jacket.

Check it out here

http://www.stardust-records.com/partner ... JACKET.jpg

So now it seems that the only thing Peter had to do was to make a jacket without the waistband.

What do you guys think?

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:41 pm

Please note the above is simply an assumption put on the table for discussion. I am not supporting the idea that Peter used this jacket to make the indyjacket.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:06 pm

Wrong sleeves, wrong waist, and it seems to have epaulets on the shoulder. It is a brown leather jacket, though.

Doug C · Post by **Doug C** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:15 pm

Yeah, I think the "barrel" sleeves are pretty unique, atleast the way Peter designed the originals. I mean other jackets of the time had a lack of cuffs but most had a seem sewn around the very end of the sleeve, where Indy's jacket folds under to meet the inner lining..no thread visible on the outside in that area. Also, the way the back panel/action panel is designed is pretty complicated when you really look at it. I doubt that jacket pictured has anything like it.

Doug C

Shawnkara · Post by **Shawnkara** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:01 am

I know the Indy jacket had elements of many military jackets, most notably the cargo pockets. But didn't the James Dean thing come right from Peter? I could be wrong on that. I thought I read once that he started with that pattern, and just kept modifying it until they had something everyone agreed on?

Lao Feng · Post by **Lao Feng** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:54 am

Seems to me that the "Indy Design" is a hybrid of the US Army Air Corps A-2 (first issued 1931) WITHOUT epilets (sic) and waistband/cuffs COMBINED with action back of US Navy G-1.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:56 am

you mean the G8 coz the G1 don't have action back

Lao Feng · Post by **Lao Feng** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:42 pm

With due respect Platon

...the US Navy G-1 has a half belt in the back and pleats on the sides that run from the belt up all the way to the top seam of the jacket.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:21 pm

Here is a copy of a post that I made in another thread about this same topic.

I don't know if this will clear up anything about James Dean's jacket, but here is the story about how the Indiana Jones jacket was designed as related to me by Peter, himself.

Berman and Nathans had the contract to do the costume and Deborah Nadoolman was the costume designer. Berman and Nathans had a jacket for Harrison Ford to wear, but Deborah Nadoolman did not like it. She really didn't like anything that Berman and Nathans had to offer. Berman and Nathans called Peter and asked if he had any jackets that may fit that character and that time period. Peter said that he had some and he was asked to bring them over.

Deborah Nadoolman liked a James Dean jacket that Peter had and she also liked a military A-2. She did not like the elastic around the sleeves and the waist of the A-2. She did like the pockets on the military jacket. She asked Peter if he could make a James Dean jacket but with the pockets from the military A-2. Peter said that he could.

This was on a saturday, and Deborah Nadoolman said that if Peter could make those jackets, she would take ten of them, if he could have them in France by that tuesday. Peter said that he could and he did.

PLATON · Post by **PLATON** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:21 pm

To Lao Feng.
OK. The G1 has what is called a bi-swing pleat.
The back of the G8 looks same as with the indy jacket. It even has side fasteners etc.

Lao Feng · Post by **Lao Feng** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:30 am

Hi Platon! I agree with your last post. My appologies for cross-wired semantics on same feature. Cheers!

golpeo_rapidamente · Post by **golpeo_rapidamente** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:44 pm

did the G8 ever exist?

J_Weaver · Post by **J_Weaver** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:49 pm

golpeo_rapidamente wrote:did the G8 ever exist?

From what I've read, not until Avirex invented it in the 80's. I think there was a thread about it here sometime back. If I wasn't so tired I'd flip into VP mode and go hunting.

golpeo_rapidamente · Post by **golpeo_rapidamente** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:02 am

thats what i thought
the mind boggles

ij1936 · Post by **ij1936** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:29 am

Has anyone bothered to ask Peter? I'm sure he would offer a story on the origin of the jacket.

PETER · Post by **PETER** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:36 am

Bufflehead Jones is spot on.
The ORIGIN of the jacket is ME no G8,2 or 3 but ME.
I used the pockets from an A2 the Block as we call it or base shape from a James dean type jacket and the rest of the bolt on parts like the long pleat with side vents was original design to accomodate free movement and access for the whip, gun and action scenes.
So it is not a copy of anything but an original design for Harrison Ford.
The reason we initially speced the A2 as was one I had made for Harrison Ford in 'Hannover St' previously but in the end it was put aside and only the pockets shape used.
Hope that clarifies
Cheers
Peter

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:10 am

Peter, must be a bit warm in the barn? Or are you talking to us from your pool? Can we come over an partake?

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:57 am

ij1936 wrote:Has anyone bothered to ask Peter? I'm sure he would offer a story on the origin of the jacket.

Did you bother to read my post that is six posts above yours? As I said, I was sitting down talking to Peter, face to face, and that is as close to the exact story as he related it to me. I don't have a recorded transcript of the conversation, but that was originally written shortly after we had the conversation, so it should be more accurate than if I were to try to recall it today. Peter himself said that I was spot on, so I guess I didn't screw it up too bad.

ij1936 · Post by **ij1936** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:41 pm

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:16 pm

ij1936 wrote:Nope

.....

....Ummmm.....Well, here is your answer then. Yep, already been there, done that.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:10 am

Don't post in red, it doesn't have much contrast with brown.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:17 am

VP wrote:Don't post in red, it doesn't have much contrast with brown.

Only is you're colourblind. Hey, who posted in red???

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:27 am

What's red?

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:33 am

Ah, reads fine here. Your gamma settings may be iffy.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:06 am

It reads fine, but still doesn't have much contrast.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:12 am

VP wrote:It reads fine, but still doesn't have much contrast.

Right this is OT and not a personal attack but:

http://www.spectacleworld.co.za/colour-blind.htm

Let us know what your result is you might be surprised.

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:28 am

Even without the test I know that I'm slightly red-green color blind, as are about 7% of all men. I failed #1, #2 and #3 and passed #4.

Haven't been able to find the topic that J_Weaver mentioned yet.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:39 am

VP wrote:Even without the test I know that I'm slightly red-green color blind, as are about 7% of all men. I failed #1, #2 and #3 and passed #4.

Haven't been able to find the topic that J_Weaver mentioned yet.

Yup, that's why the red text has no contrast for you.

What do you see here?

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:44 am

Five.

This discussion was a great example why it's important to think of colors when designing an accessible website.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:05 am

Well true, but like you say. Only 7% of people are colour blind.

Imagine what many films would look like it that dictated colour schemes. But an interesting discussion.

I come across a lot of people in my line of business who are obviously undiagnosed colourblind, people who make descisions about product that shouldn't be because they are not seeing them the same as the vast majority.

Your comment was a classic pointer towards that colour tendancy.

Again this is not anything against you.

BTW this is facinating: http://vischeck.com/vischeck/

You can upload a pic an simulate what particular type of clourblind people see.

Anyway now way OT. Sorry guys.

To some people the original jacket looks like the band at the top of the screen.

or like this:

VP · Post by VP » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:27 am

I see you're using a Mac. No wonder you don't have problems.

Bufflehead Jones · Post by **Bufflehead Jones** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:32 pm

Hey KT,

Just for the record, I took the colorblind test that you posted and I passed all of them. So, I guess I am still not color blind. I know that when I got into my late 40's, my night vision was not as good as it used to be, and I had to start wearing bifocals to help the muscles in my eyes focus properly when reading. My eye doctor told me that all of these things are normal for people in their 40's. But, at least I am still not colorblind.

Kt Templar · Post by **Kt Templar** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:42 pm

VP wrote:I see you're using a Mac. No wonder you don't have problems.

I have to use that as my sig, sorry that made me laugh.

Buff, I never had a doubt. It's interesting to do the test all the same, some people may be surprised at the outcome.

Minnesota Jones · Post by **Minnesota Jones** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:48 pm

Still off topic (sorry) but if you seen the movie Ed Wood, Ed asks his Cameraman which dress he liked, the green or the blue one (or something like that). The Cameraman said he was colorblind and he liked the light gray one... ha!

Now back to topic...