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The leather of the jacket seems to wrinkle on it all the time i bend or also when standing as you can see in this picture!



And it drives me crazy because I don't like it. What's under the leather? It seem another layer of leather seamed for no clear reason bigger than the pocket. Is it NORMAL?

I can also feel it.. and i feel the same along the sleeves seams... must be something to deal with the seams.

At the beginning I thought it was the mark from being bent during the shipping but only recently i've looked better at it feeling a thin layer which I cannot feel from the lining inside! And this thought is driving me crazy

Do you have the two inside pockets in that jacket? It looks like the facing around two inner pockets beneath the outer patch pockets to my eye.

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:Do you have the two inside pockets in that jacket? It looks like the facing around two inner pockets beneath the outer patch pockets to my eye.

Regards! Michaelson

I dont know exactly what you mean my friend but it has nothing to do with the inner pocket (only one) that I have on my wested

The facing would be the leather covering the area around the opening of your pocket.

It does seem kinda odd to have a double layer of leahter there... Did you ask Peter aout it?

Regards,
Swindiana

Swindiana wrote:
It does seem kinda odd two have a double layer of leahter there... Did you ask Peter aout it?

Not yet.

One inside pocket, eh? Very odd, indeed. I've got to say I've never seen that outline on any Wested jackets I've owned or handled to date, so you have a new one there.

Regards! Michaelson

how lucky

Well, look at it this way....you could have a new collectors item....

Regards! Michaelson

just keep your jacket zipped up all the time and tell people it's an outline of your washboard abs

I'm really not planning to buy another soon and keep this as a rare "unique" wested so this "feature" drives me crazy expecially when the leather wrinkle on that hidden layer.
Should i send the pictures to the Wested?

I already imagine the answer... send it back and we take them off for free... of course you would have to pay for the postage

Yep, I agree....send them these photos and ask the question. We'd ALL like to know.

Regards! Michaelson

Ever seen the Omen? Remember the thing with the photos And you ARE in the scary woods!

Actually it looks like some tension between the armhole and the zip position. Does it go away if you leave it unzipped for a couple of days?

Kt Templar wrote: Actually it looks like some tension between the armhole and the zip position. Does it go away if you leave it unzipped for a couple of days?

I was waiting for you in this thread... It's not a tension, it's a layer under the leather. It's all around the pockets

If there really is an extra piece of leather under there that does this on either side I bet you could either open up the liner yourself or have the tailor do it to fix it. But ask Peter first, I'd say.

Regards,
Swindiana

Ok i'll try to take better ones and send them to Peter.... I'M SOOOOOOOO LUCKY with wested!

How often do your wear the jacket, and when not wearing , how is it put away?? It looks like the folds left over from it being in the box too long.
When I first got my Wested, I had visible "creases" along the front of the body, kind of like what is showing in your pic.
After wearing it for a season, AND always hanging it up, or over a chair, the creases went away.
'Blues

See these pics I've just taken, they speak by themselves... anyway in the last one I highlit the infamous LAYER

Wow, I can really see what your talking about now. It does look like there is in extra layer behind the pockets.

Ok, I looked at my jacket. I believe it has something to do with the construction of the pocket. There is (cotton felt, I think) reinforcement behind the pocket for the stitches. If you look closely there is a 1" shape all around the pocket made of this backing material. It might be that your jacket's reinforcement is stuck wrong as to show so strongly or your arm to pocket ratio caused it to be more obvious.

The hanger has this material sandwiched between it. Look at the bottom edge you will see some of the loose threads.

Kt.

Sorry Kt but I didn't understand all what you said. Must be the anger to my head!

Upon closer inspection of my jacket, I see this backing as well. While not as pronounced as yours, it is indeed there. Like I stated above, wearing it, and time, will make it stand out less. Your jacket is pretty new, so it stands out a bit more.
'Blues

I hope so. Anyway I always hang it into my wardrobe and wear it a lot.

Erri, I forget, what kind of leather is it? I have an authentic lamb, and mine has that but it is so imperceptible, that if you hadn't caused me to look for it, I would never have noticed it. If it is leather on the inside, maybe yours is just a little thicker than most. If it is another type of material, then I don't know why yours is so noticeable.

Depending on what type of leather it is, have you applyed the appropriate type of Pecards leather dressing? If not, this may help soften the leather and cause it to drape better and not cause this to stand out so much.

I don't think I would have noticed this at all on your jacket from pictures. I don't know what it looks like in person, obviously, so maybe you see it better than we can. It seems to bother you, so I would send pictures to Peter and ask him about it right away. Let us know how it turns out. Good luck.

Indiana_Tone wrote:Hmm. I have the tension ripples above the pocket flaps but there doesn't seem to be any extra layer behind them. You can actually feel a second layer behind the pocket from within the inside of the jacket? Puzzling. Erri, are they at least equal on both pockets or is one off-center?

I can feel the backing cloth quite distinctly. But my lining is satin so a lot thinner than the cotton.

Indiana_Tone wrote:Erri, are they at least equal on both pockets or is one off-center?

Yes they are equal

Bufflehead the leather is lamb

As I now realize (thanks KT :evil: :evil: ) I should have ordered smaller pockets and maybe the jacket an inch longer ... it will be for the next one

It might be something close to what Kt Templar said,

I believe it has something to do with the construction of the pocket. There is (cotton felt, I think) reinforcement behind the pocket for the stitches.

I don't know if this is what Wested used but sometimes a stabilizer (something a bit stiff maybe felt or other material) is placed/stuck/glued etc. behind the pocket while it is being sewn so the leather does not move around in order to keep the seams straight.

Best,
Herr Jones

I found some of that on mine too, though much smaller and closer to the edge of the cargo pocket flap. Not visible, but there seems to be something "extra" in there.

Regards,
Swindiana

erri_wan wrote:I hope so. Anyway I always hang it into my wardrobe and wear it a lot.

You should toss it on the floor or in a chair in a ball and not hang it up if you want it to stop looking new.

IndyDoc wrote:

erri_wan wrote:I hope so. Anyway I always hang it into my wardrobe and wear it a lot.

You should toss it on the floor or in a chair in a ball and not hang it up if you want it to stop looking new.

Mmmh maybe I should really start doing these things to my BRAND NEW SHINY jacket

Hi Erri,

do you have the tighter 80s cut? If you do, I wonder if the pocket 'frames' are more pronounced because of tighter cut. It might be possible.

It sounds like many jackets have at least some noticeable frame around the pocket, but I checked my jacket, which is horsehide, and, strangely, it does not have any visible framing.

I agree that after you wear it for a while the leather will stretch and change over time and you probably won't notice it anymore.

I just received my jacket last month and it still hangs very stiff. Of course horsehide is a little stiffer and thicker than goat, but I'm sure after a few seasons it'll look more natural and worn-in.

Garzo wrote:Hi Erri,

do you have the tighter 80s cut? If you do, I wonder if the pocket 'frames' are more pronounced because of tighter cut. It might be possible.

It sounds like many jackets have at least some noticeable frame around the pocket, but I checked my jacket, which is horsehide, and, strangely, it does not have any visible framing.

I agree that after you wear it for a while the leather will stretch and change over time and you probably won't notice it anymore.

I just received my jacket last month and it still hangs very stiff. Of course horsehide is a little stiffer and thicker than goat, but I'm sure after a few seasons it'll look more natural and worn-in.

Maybe the horse leather is thicker and dont show those "frames". It might be possible that with the 80's cut they are more prounounced yes.

I think I should start throwing it on a chair and make a ball of it like everyone is suggesting

Hey Erri,

I inspected both my Westeds this morning Goat (left) and Lamb (right) and could not find anything like your jacket has.



Sorry I can't help more on this topic for you. Your's must be an isolated, unfortunate problem.
Best Wishes,
John

erri_wan wrote:

IndyDoc wrote:

erri_wan wrote:I hope so. Anyway I always hang it into my wardrobe and wear it a lot.

You should toss it on the floor or in a chair in a ball and not hang it up if you want it to stop looking new.

Mmmh maybe I should really start doing these things to my BRAND NEW SHINY jacket

It's an Indy jacket. You don't want it to look brand new and shiny!

I think I know exactly what it is. I had a fold like that on one of my Westeds and it drove me ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!!!

I think it's from the way the jacket is folded when they're first shipped. I had a crease from the way it was folded and it never really came out. It was also visible in that the zipper always had a spot where it curved when the rest of it was straight, all from how it was folded when it was shipped.

agent5 wrote:I think I know exactly what it is. I had a fold like that on one of my Westeds and it drove me ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!!!

The other westeds that you own don't have it?

They all had it to some extent but it mostly went away, except on that one jacket. I wish there was a way to ship it straight!

Erri,
I have the same jacket which does the same thing, but not as much. In fact I had never noticed it until your post made me examine it. It feels like a strip of light canvas that is glued inside the jacket, maybe for structural reasons to sew the pocket flap onto. I think when the glue dries it contracts and that causes the wrinkling. Probably not as noticable, or maybe not even needed, on jackets of heavier leather.

Cheers,
Bo

Well I just started to throw it on chairs and make of it a ball so it wont be so noticeable after it break-in a bit

My 'authentic lambskin' TD has exactly the same thing, but being of a different size and shape than you it doesn't seem to get so pronounced when I wear it. Mine definitely has the wrinkles and the imprint of the backing leather above the pocket. It just doesn't bother me. I'm much more concerned over the delicacy of the lambskin and sometimes wish I had got the distressed cowhide. I do find myself wearing mine a lot. I also have a goatskin A-2 and a leather copy of the M-65 field jacket, and I seem to wear the Indy most of the time. What I like about the lambskin is the lightness and comfort plus the quality look of the leather. Also, it's starting to pick up some wear on the edges, and it's really going to look good as this develops.

Beating the jacket up a bit is helping a lot. Anyway next time i'll go for smaller pockets... (ahh if only Agent5 posted that thread about the original specs for ROTLA jacket before!)

The main IG 'gear' section lists the pocket size average to be 6 inches x 5 inches plus a 2 3/4 inch flap, which is about a quarter inch+- larger in each direction than what agent 5 lists for his measurements from his screen grabs of the hero jacket. As I say, these measurements were 'averages', as the length and width will change from individual to individual to keep the pockets proportional to the jacket size.
If you had gone with the information that has been posted on the main page since the start of IG, you'd have been ok too.

Regards! Michaelson

As I say, these measurements were 'averages', as the length and width will change from individual to individual to keep the pockets proportional to the jacket size.

EXACTLY. I used them for my height of 5'10". If you were taller you'd use a slightly larger pocket measurement. If you were smaller, you'd think about sizing down a bit.

agent5 may remember this from a LONG time ago, but I remember Peter banging his head against a wall over a situation when he had an individual INSIST on a specific pocket size he KNEW to be screen correct, and yet this fellow wore a HUGE sized jacket. Peter did exactly what was asked, and when the jacket arrived, the pockets looked like change pockets on the side of his monsterous jacket. This guy absolutely howled about this terrible looking jacket, posting photos and everything, when HE was the one who refused to allow the jacket maker to make the proportional adjustment of pocket to jacket size.

This is one of the reasons that Wings jackets seem to appear different from jacket to jacket. They use exactly the same sized pocket, regardless of size. It's less expensive to make this way, and quicker to produce. G&B adjusts pocket sizes like Wested.

Regards! Michaelson

Was that one of our favorite lads from the UK, Michaelson?

I think I recall that.

Yep. I thought you'd remember that one.

Regards! Michaelson

erri_wan wrote: Yes they are equal

Bufflehead the leather is lamb

As I now realize (thanks KT :evil: :evil: ) I should have ordered smaller pockets and maybe the jacket an inch longer ... it will be for the next one

Erri,

If I were you I'd leave the length the same on your next jacket. Unless you want to add an inch in front for ride-up. I think your jacket length is spot on. I wish my jacket was shorter! Go figure

Michaelson wrote: If you had gone with the information that has been posted on the main page since the start of IG, you'd have been ok too.

I just thought if I order a Raiders jacket from the original makers.. i'm going to get the right sizes and not the Last Crusade sizes!

Apparently not. I was commenting on your statement that you wished you had had agent5's measurements before you ordered, when they were available to you from the mainsite all the time.

Regards! Michaelson

What's your jacket size Agent 5?