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My Borsalino's sweatband is about 1mm thick. I pumped it up to about 5mm thick (3/16 inch) with layers of masking tape. It goes inside my home blocked 360 stovepipe Borsalino. I've cut the band down to 3/4 inch. Now my hat looks like the Raiders hat. Besides being like the Raiders hat, the thick sweat allows that CHANNEL under the ribbon in front bash to EXIST, by holding the crown away from the forehead. Here's the hat with the thick sweat, channel, and me wearing it on my head normally.- The channel in my hat is caused by a stitch that makes a pleat in the felt of the crown. I have been looking for this stitch in Raiders for years, but it has eluded me. But yesterday I found it, in the "Trust me.." scene in the Raven bar. The white dash with the black dot above it. (My stitch is under the ribbon.) ... I have seen vintage hats with 2 inch sweats. Maybe it had one of those folded twice? Evidence of the thick sweat isn't clear untill the Tunisia scenes, when the hat shrinks or distorts in the heat. Therefore I am making my block larger. And, I think the Raiders sweat was even slightly thicker than this one.

The ribbon needs to be tightened on top . I think you can tell the Raiders ribbon was tightened on top also. Look at the bits of ribbon sticking out at the botom of the bow on either side of the bow cinch.

Makes sense, considering it has been posted in the distant past that Ford and the props folks used to layer masking tape inside the hat to make it tighter so it wouldn't blow off during the action sequences....specifically double backed and gaffers tape.

Regards! Michaelson

...so maybe the line showing at the outside of the ribbon is the tape rather than the sweatband...

@Steve: we could add some Cool Max synthetic sweatband behind the leather sweatbands to archive this look, without cutting down the sweatband to 3/4" and then pull the "excrementum" out of the ribbon..

Regards,

Marc

Good show 3M$ !!!! You have found the Rosetta stone, I think. And, what I like about it, is that this is perfectly reasonable.

@Steve: we could add some Cool Max synthetic sweatband behind the leather sweatbands to archive this look, without cutting down the sweatband to 3/4" and then pull the "excrementum" out of the ribbon..

Yeah, but man, it is hard to nail the customers hat size when you throw in these other variables!!! That is, the customer wears a hat that is 22 1/2 inches, and then I have to make it bigger(but how much bigger) to allow for the cinched ribbon, and shims behind the sweat!!! Truth is, when I do a Cairo hat, I cinch the heck out of the ribbon, which sometimes crinkles up the sweat(thereby changing the actual hat size), and most times I can pull this off. I just do not know if I could add the shims and still make the hat fit. A couple of times on a hat that was sent back due to it being too tight, I just loosened up the overly tight ribbon, and the hat fit!!! regards, Fedora

Yep, and THAT'S why I'm not a fan of the Raiders version.....to tight a ribbon/hat ALWAYS gives me a headache. Sure, I'd look good, but I'd feel like crud.

I'm more than happy to be 'screen inaccurate' myself. My head thanks me too.

Regards! Michaelson

See, duct tape DOES fix everything!

Marc wrote:...so maybe the line showing at the outside of the ribbon is the tape rather than the sweatband...

That certainly does seem more likely than them folding or cutting the sweatband. I think this is one more question mark about the Raiders hat explained.

Well done guys!

Antone

excuse me sir... what am i supposed to see in this pic? If you tell me the scene it comes from i'll get a better pic for you from the dvd

Erri,
It is from the TRUST ME scene in the Raven Bar. ROLA

can't see anything special there sorry. I applied two filters to improve the image (i used adobe photoshop). Nothing came out.