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Another explanation for 3M$'s crease marks........

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:02 am
by Fedora
I just thought I would show what I was talking about, as I think it is much more plausible, to me anyways. :D Ok, take a fur felt hat and crush it, as one would do if artificially distressing a new hat for a film. Here it is. http://public.fotki.com/Fedora/hats/crushed_hat.html

Now punch it back out, (this one is my own hat and I cinched the ribbon tight to get the Cairo look), http://public.fotki.com/Fedora/hats/rib ... tight.html


Now, I could see a little hump in the felt where the hat creased when I punched it down, and I rubbed a bit of chalk on it to show it up better. Dirt or Fullers Earth would work as well. Looky here.

http://public.fotki.com/Fedora/hats/crease_line.html

If you have trouble seeing it, I am pointing it out here. http://public.fotki.com/Fedora/hats/crease_line2.html

My point is, the stress lines could very well be from the hat being crushed , and it was probably crushed more than once!! Ok, that is my alternitive theory. Fedora

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:18 am
by J_Weaver
Thats pretty convincing Steve. It does seem more likely that the marks were caused during the distressing process. :)

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:35 am
by McFly
Noodleman (or however you spell it) did say they sat on the hat more than one time...

Good explanation, Fedora!

In Christ,
Shane

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:25 am
by IndianaGuybrush
The Law of Parsimony, also known as Occam's Razor : "The most simple and straightforward explanation is most likely the correct one"

I'm with you Steve.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:33 am
by VP
IndyMcFly wrote:Noodleman (or however you spell it)
Nadoolman. Deborah Nadoolman.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:07 pm
by prairiejones
I noticed the marks as soon a s I bashed my AB. Especially in the top bash.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:31 pm
by Erri
prairiejones wrote:I noticed the marks as soon a s I bashed my AB. Especially in the top bash.
Is there a way to avoid those marks when you're going to bash your opencrown hat?

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:59 pm
by Fedora
I noticed the marks as soon a s I bashed my AB. Especially in the top bash.
Yes, and the beaver felt sort of resists the lines as well. The hat pictured is a blend and as you move down in quality, the lines become more apparent. The denser the felt, the less pronounced the stress lines appear. Fedora

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:15 pm
by prairiejones
Here's mine with the ribbon cinched.

Image

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:25 pm
by Fedora
Here's mine with the ribbon cinched.
Looks good. If you want the ultimate looking Cairo hat, take a weathered, and beat up hat and remove the sweat. The hat will now be a size too large. Now, loosen the ribbon and cinch that joker down to you regular hat size. It is great for summer wear as it is a very cool hat to wear, relatively speaking. I have a couple like it. Also, when you cinch the ribbon up, you get the grooves as seen on the front of the Cairo hat, that seem to run under the sweat. These occur naturally. And the Cairo hat looks like the sweat has been removed and the ribbon cinched up to make the hat fit. Perhaps the hat was just too hot to wear and they did this, or perhaps the sweat just came loose. Fedora

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:02 pm
by Pitfall Harry
I have a question. If they did all this to the hat during filming then why didn't they repeat the same steps to get the same look for Temple and Last Crusade?

The quest to get the same look for our hats like HF had in Raiders is almost as elusive as searching for the Ark, Grail or even Bigfoot for that matter.

I don't think it's possible unless you talk to Spielberg and Ford themselves and even they might not remember.


Pitfall

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:08 am
by Fedora
Ok guys I bought this little Polaroid flat screen dvd player that has a really sharp picture on it. So, I decide to watch Raiders last night, by putting this thing on my tummy. It was great!! I started looking for the porkpie stress lines. Now, the only hat that I can see the stress lines in, are the distressed hats. The newer hats, show no signs of ever being a porkpie. This adds to my theory of the lines being distressed related. If a porkpie was used, the lines should, and would be there in the newer hats used in the film. It seems the lines only appear once the hat looks like it has been through hades. That cinches it for me. Fedora

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:31 am
by Feraud
IndianaGuybrush wrote:The Law of Parsimony, also known as Occam's Razor : "The most simple and straightforward explanation is most likely the correct one"

I'm with you Steve.
Exactly! :wink:

To begin the chain of 'straightforward explanations' is Nadoolman herself. She said the hat was rolled up, crushed and sat on! She also mentions a base hat that is tall. Theories are all well and fine but sometimes they need to be discarded. The porkpie base hat certainly looks "busted". :P

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:08 pm
by Fedora
The porkpie base hat certainly looks "busted".
Ah, someone needs submit this to "Myth Busters" :D regards, Fedora

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:42 pm
by Floribama Steve
Fedora wrote:
The porkpie base hat certainly looks "busted".
Ah, someone needs submit this to "Myth Busters" :D regards, Fedora
Good idea, but unless they could figure out how to incorporate an explosion, it probably wouldn't fly. :lol:

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:44 pm
by Erri
Sorry for the ignorance, what's Myth Busters?

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:16 pm
by Ark Hunter

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:08 pm
by Fedora
Ah, just got these pics in from South America. I made this hat the end of October, and it has been distressed naturally. Notice the stress lines, that would lead to believe it may have been a telescope crown. I can assure you, it never was. Cause I made it!! :D http://public.fotki.com/Fedora/hats/ab_ ... erica.html
Fedora

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:11 pm
by J_Weaver
The hat the guy is wearing is the Young Indy model isn't it? Looks like another bit of evidence in favor of distressing. Its great to see AB's really being used! 8)

P.S. That pic #7 is a knock out! Image

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:14 pm
by Ark Hunter
She's got a whip too! :shock: