Club Obi Wan

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:20 am**

I know this is the wrong place, but I am desparate. If you use MSN search and type in Indy fedora, I have been in first place for awhile now. I checked it out this morning as Namebrand is gonna do some changes for me soon, to discover the link that you get when you click on my company name is not www.adventurebilthats.com It takes to to an unavailable page. If you type in my address on the address bar on the my MSN homepage, it takes to to my site. Hackers? A certain unsavory competitor that will go unnamed? Ideas? Thanks, Fedora

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:55 am**

Perhaps the original webpage domain name was what is on MSN, but the new domain name www.adventurebilthats.com goes to a different address. You may want to check with namebrand to make sure the address paths haven't changed somehow. When you click the Cached link on MSN it brings you to the correct page. So it makes me wonder if somehow the pathnames have changed. As if www.adventurebilthats.com really redirected you to the address it shows at one time but MSN hasn't been up to date maybe.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:08 am**

No, it has always been the same, from day one. This just happened recently, but I do not know when. I have been flat on my back for the last 5 days with a knee injury and was just getting back in the groove this morning when I discovered this. Namebrand is enquiring about it as I zipped him an email this morning, but he is puzzled too. This is something that has happened recently. I know I am paranoid, but when you know a nefarious character, you immediately put 2 and 2 together. I may have come up with 5.

Fedora

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:52 pm**

Alrighty, it has got to be something with MSN. I went on many different search engines and clicke on the header, and it came up fine. Illinois.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:57 pm**

Yeah, it looks like something directly related to MSN. It may be linking to someones website that may have link or had a review of yours.
The raw site doesn't even exist.

Yahoo and google work fine. You may have to resubmit your site to the MSN search engine.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:00 pm**

Also, typing the link itself in the addressbar comes to the same page. Check with msn.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:24 pm**

They direct you to this page.. indy.beautech.us/default.asp

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:29 pm**

It has to be either a dead or broken link, there is no other answer. I get internet optimizer alot when I click a link that has no where to go. My theory give them (msn) the newere address and evverything should be fine and dandy. Illinois.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:57 pm**

Here's another idea for you, Steve, if you're feeling paranoid because of *a-hem*... Why not acquire the domain name adventurebilthat.com (singular) and/or adventurebUilthats.com and have an automatic redirect to your proper site in case someone tries to mistype or misuse the AdventureBilt name? You wouldn't even have to upload that info to the search engines, but it may provide a bit of a "safety net." Oh, and your site comes up just fine for me.

bink

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:59 pm**

Steve, check with the person who set up your web page, for one. Then contact msn to correct your new address for adventurebuilt...That may correct the problem.. On Google it does not come up under indy fedora.

On yahoo search..It comes up OK!!

You are right "HACKERS"
Hope everything works out!!

IndianWill

"I'm Mad as ####, and I'm Not Going To Take it, Anymore!" :evil:

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:03 pm**

It is NOT hackers, they would gain nothing from doin this. it is getting reroute to a free cr*p site search engine. They wouldnt do it for fun, and honestly, no offense steve, they would have picked something that more people would see. We all know and love steves fedoras, even if we have yet to recieve one, but in all honsety, i dont think that hundreds of people are visiting his site. And the challenge goes away when very few people will see their work. They want a challenge, they wouldnt get one hacking steves site. It is merely a glitch in the MSN server database. Illininois.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:05 pm**

Oh, but there are actually ONE or two people out there (literally) who are jealous and petty enough to try to hurt the AdventureBilt name and Steve any way possible. It's the sad truth.

bink

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:07 pm**

binkmeisterRick wrote:Oh, but there are actually ONE or two people out there (literally) who are jealous and petty enough to try to hurt the AdventureBilt name and Steve any way possible. It's the sad truth.

bink

I still wonder who. Can this be said on the public forum?

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:10 pm**

No. It's best not to go there, really.

bink

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:13 pm**

Looks like a glitch in MSN's search.

However, in looking at the source code for your website, you're probably going to have a difficult time listed in search engines (specifically Google) with all that repeating hidden text. Google will downrank your site for doing that.

Meta tags are great, but that "hidden" text is not so hidden to search bots. All of that hidden text is a means of artificially inflating your search results in some search engines. More search engines are actually downgrading sites that attempt to do this, so it could hurt your site in the long run.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:15 pm**

Wow I didn't know that bink. Thats sad that someone is like that out there.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:21 pm**

Yes it is, Colby. However, I think this is likely just a glitch somewhere, but I can understand Fedora's concern.

bink

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:14 pm**

Has the indy.beautech.us link always been the result that pops up first in MSN? What I mean is, has the redirect always been the top result, instead of the home domain?

I don't think it's an enemy vendor doing anything to this result. It's probably the result of a web developer improperly tagging the adventurebilt site's source code

Having stuff like this:

Code: Select all

<div id="HL1" style="Z-INDEX: 1; WIDTH: 689;  HEIGHT: 77; POSITION: absolute; VISIBILITY: hidden; left:0; top:0">
Adventurebilt Hats, the Fortune and Glory Fedora, represents a twelve year quest for an accurate and affordable Indiana Jones style fedora. We create one of the most accurate Indy style fedoras available to the discerning hat wearer and Indy fan. Adventurebilt Hats, the Fortune and Glory Fedora, represents a twelve year quest for an accurate and affordable Indiana Jones style fedora. We create one of the most accurate Indy style fedoras available to the discerning hat wearer and Indy fan.
Adventurebilt Hats, the Fortune and Glory Fedora, represents a twelve year quest for an accurate and affordable Indiana Jones style fedora. We create one of the most accurate Indy style fedoras available to the discerning hat wearer and Indy fan.
<br>
indy fedora, indy hat, indiana jones hat, Indiana jones fedora, fedora, beaver hats, handmade hats. film hats, raider fedoras, raider fedoras, indiana jones, raiders of the lost ark fedora, herbert johnson replicas, indiana jones replica hat, indiana jones replica fedora, brown fedoras, adventure hats, beaver felt hats
indy fedora, indy hat, indiana jones hat, Indiana jones fedora, fedora, beaver hats, handmade hats. film hats, raider fedoras, raider fedoras, indiana jones, raiders of the lost ark fedora, herbert johnson replicas, indiana jones replica hat, indiana jones replica fedora, brown fedoras, adventure hats, beaver felt hats
indy fedora, indy hat, indiana jones hat, Indiana jones fedora, fedora, beaver hats, handmade hats. film hats, raider fedoras, raider fedoras, indiana jones, raiders of the lost ark fedora, herbert johnson replicas, indiana jones replica hat, indiana jones replica fedora, brown fedoras, adventure hats, beaver felt hats

is the best way to get your site DE-listed by search engines.

Your Meta tag:

Code: Select all

<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="indy fedora, indy hat, indiana jones hat, Indiana jones fedora, fedora, beaver hats, handmade hats. film hats, raider fedoras, raider fedoras, indiana jones, raiders of the lost ark fedora, herbert johnson replicas, indiana jones replica hat, indiana jones replica fedora, brown fedoras, adventure hats, beaver felt hats">

is just fine, but having that other stuff in "hidden" text is bad for business.

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:22 pm**

Has the indy.beautech.us link always been the result that pops up first in MSN? What I mean is, has the redirect always been the top result, instead of the home domain?

No, it used to be www.adventurebilthats.com Now it is that indy.beautech deal. It just changed for no apparent reason. Thanks guys. Fedora

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:50 pm**

Steve,

Sent Inqury: MSN...Support. Advised of Bad web link indy.beautech.us/default / cached web crawler
Advised the correct one is www.adventurebuilthats.com
asked them to correct this and or to contact you, at home.e-mail..
I hope this will help.

IndianaWill

Posted: **Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:10 pm**

binkmeisterRick wrote:Here's another idea for you, Steve, if you're feeling paranoid because of *a-hem*... Why not acquire the domain name adventurebilthat.com (singular) and/or adventurebUilthats.com and have an automatic redirect to your proper site in case someone tries to mistype or misuse the AdventureBilt name? You wouldn't even have to upload that info to the search engines, but it may provide a bit of a "safety net." Oh, and your site comes up just fine for me.

bink

Hello all.

Here are the details behind Steves web hosting. I offered to host Steves site and help get him off the ground using my service (silently). He accepted and I registered www.adventurebilthats.com and www.adventurebuilthats.com from the getgo. Steve wanted "bilt", but I knew people would type "built". (Great thinking Bink! Scoundrels think alike I guess!

)

Namebrand offered to create the website and I gave him access. And all has functioned wonderfully. Microsoft re-released their MSN search to compete with Google and the new Yahoo search.

As IndianaWill inquired, MSN had a bad cached link. beautech.us is my domain. I also recently did some housecleaning on the webserver. This shouldn't have disrupted domain name resolution. Apparently the way MSN learns the MetaTags (search terms) could've been their search engine mistake.

As many of you have already researched to see that it's Microsofts issue, all is well right now.

So much for the silent help!

Eric Beauregard = beautech

Hope everythings better Steve. Nothing Namebrand or I did. Just Microsoft in action. I also wanted some clarification for you all.

Regards,

MJ (Eric Beau)

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:06 am**

Glad I was actually thinking along a good idea for a change.

bink

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:51 pm**

Just want to let you all know that I just recieved an e-mail from MSN..
The Problem has been corrected!!! And now the web link is
www.adventurebuilthats.com For indy fedora

Am glad to be of service to you Fedora and COW!!

All Have a Great Day!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:52 pm**

IndianaWill wrote:

Just want to let you all know that I just recieved an e-mail from MSN..
The Problem has been corrected!!! And now the web link is
www.adventurebuilthats.com For indy fedora

Am glad to be of service to you Fedora and COW!!

All Have a Great Day!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a very good news

Posted: **Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:57 pm**

Wow, thats a great looking web page! Look only almost make one whish be in the hat market!

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:49 am**

He was first now when you type in Indy Fedora he comes up ninth. Can we fix that??? So he is first once again.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:07 pm**

Everyone who has a website, big or small, should be hosting a link to Steve's Adventurebilt main-page.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:08 pm**

Renderking Fisk wrote:Everyone who has a website, big or small, should be hosting a link to Steve's Adventurebilt main-page.

Is there any banner i could steal from one of you? i need a link to Steve

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:10 pm**

Steve, I too would like a banner to post on my site. 468x60 pixels is usually a good size.

Pyr.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:53 pm**

Is this what you mean??

http://www.heybannerbanner.com/

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:50 pm**

Look guys:

Linking to his site will help (i'm putting a link to his site on my site as well), but it won't overcome the bad code inserted in the source of his website, like I posted about above.

If you want to increase the ranking in search engines, get rid of that "hidden" text. Back in 1998 that may have increased your hit results, but now it will only drive you further down the list on search engines. You seriously need to talk to your webmaster.

http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Avoid hidden text or hidden links....
Don't load pages with irrelevant words....
These quality guidelines cover the most common forms of deceptive or manipulative behavior, but Google may respond negatively to other misleading practices not listed here (e.g. tricking users by registering misspellings of well-known websites).

I deal with Google, MSN, Yahoo, etc. and the classification/organization of information for a living. If he doesn't get rid of that hidden text, then his ranking will fall no matter what we do.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:04 pm**

/\

What he said!

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:12 pm**

Well, hidden text is beyond me. I have no clue. With that said, I was ranked number one with MSN, and number 2 with Yahoo, if you typed in "indy fedora" The hidden text must only be a no-no on Google? Thanks fellows, this is really appreciated!! Fedora

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:15 am**

Fedora wrote:I was ranked number one with MSN, and number 2 with Yahoo, if you typed in "indy fedora" The hidden text must only be a no-no on Google? Thanks fellows, this is really appreciated!! Fedora

Steve,
Glad to here you got the whole MSN thing straightened out.
Best Regards,
Joe

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:39 am**

See, Steve? We take just as good care of you as you do us.

bink

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:02 am**

Every website is built on "code", which can be seen if you hit this in your toolbar: View:--Source Code

Your website has a plethora of text that is "hidden" to the average user that does not look at your source code. This hidden text will hurt you in the long run, for ALL search engines. The longer that text is in your site, the quicker your rankings will go down.

http://cloakingforums.com/groupee/forum ... 4971057651

It happens with Google, Yahoo, MSN, and AltaVista. The reason they down rank pages that do this is because the page is trying to artificially inflate its ranking with all that extra text.

You seriously need to have your webmaster change it, or fire him. It is going to cost you business, because your ranking is going to continue to slide downward as long as it's in your site's code.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:00 am**

See, Steve? We take just as good care of you as you do us.

bink

Yes, and I am grateful! I always said this was the best forum in the universe.

Fire a fellow fan and COW member?

No sir, blood is thicker than water, and these guys here are just like my blood kin.

But, I appreciate the advice. Since I have climbed from the position of being impossible to find on search engines, to a number 1 and number 2 spot, I think he must have done something right.

Course, I only look at results, and so far they have been great!! But, I am sure Namebrand is reading this as he is a member here and my site designer. I think we shall watch, and if the site starts to move downward, instead of upward, changes will be made. Thanks again!! Fedora[[/quote]

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