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Indy hat - it's in the lighting

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:30 pm
by Strider
With the Pecan Adventurebilt raising some questions from a few about whether or not the regular chocolate brown Adventurebilt is light enough in color to be an Indy hat, I went on a little screen grabbing adventure to show a point. The way the hat looks is directly proportionate to how much light you're in. Here are some photos to show what I mean.

Here's Indy outside the temple in Peru. He's in the shade, where the lighting isn't so good, so the hat has a dark chocolate brown color to it.
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Now, here's my Adventurebilt, which I moved back from the light a little to have the same look to it. It is also very chocolate brown in this pic.
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Now, here's Indy with some better lighting on his hat:
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Here's my Adventurebilt, with the flash of the camera hitting it in such a way that it ends up looking similar.
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Notice how all three of these pics look like Indiana Will's hat?
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One more set.

Here's Indy inside the temple in Peru, where there is barely enough light to shoot, much less to illuminate his hat.
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Now, here's me in my Adventurebilt at Comic-Con, where the lighting wasn't much better when the picture was taken from a distance. The color is very similar.
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Now, here's Indy in the Cairo street fight, in direct sunlight. The hat looks much lighter here.
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And here I am, in direct sunlight as well. Notice how similar the colors look, and how dramatically the color changes when out in the light, as opposed to being inside.
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See what I mean?

Regards,

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:00 pm
by J_Weaver
Yup, you've got a point. :wink:

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:35 pm
by agent5
My Optimo in the Pecan (funny how it's the exact same name) color is much lighter than the other offerings they had and it suits me just fine for color, simply because it does change so much throughout the film. In fact, my Optimo Pecan looks incredibly similar in color to the shots already shown of the AB Pecan.

Anyone know if the AB Pecan is the same felt that Optimo uses or was it just the name of the felt that was copied?

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 pm
by J_Weaver
Its a different felt according to Fedora. See this thread here. Its the second post from the bottom.
:)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:29 am
by T.E. Lawrence
I can attest that LIGHTING IS EVERYTHING - while shooting Treasure of the Templars there are times that Indy Ken's Hat looks dark brown and other times it looks Tawney Fawn. Scotland has the most extreme lighting conditions and it changes every 5 minuts.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:56 am
by Hemingway Jones
Strider, I think your photos make an excellent point. Also, much of color is expectation. The range of colors for an Indy hat can vary from dark brown, to chocolate, to Sable, to Pecan, Tawny, Rust, whatever. As long as it is brown, people get it.

I love the color of Steve's hats because of the reddish hue one sees in light and the darker chocolate that comes out in lower lighting situations. I have seen some hats where it seems that the felt is "dead" reflecting nothing and remaining one bland tone of medium brown.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:15 pm
by Ken
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All the same hat

Ken

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:49 pm
by Indiana Texas-girl
Ken, is that your Keppler?

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:50 pm
by Ken
That is my "to be retired when shooting finishes" Keppler. Poor thing is so beat up now.

Ken

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:29 pm
by T.E. Lawrence
A Reflection on the owner to be sure. Um - Beat up not retired.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:40 pm
by binkmeisterRick
Ken, I hope you put that hat on display when all is said and done! :wink:

bink

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:49 pm
by DanielJones
Lighting on the hat and lighting on the jacket have the samen effect. The Jacket going from black to a rusty color just depending on the lighting and the camera. It also depends on who's looking at the image. One person may see a light brown where the person next to them may see more of a gray. I think it depends on perspective, light and attention to detail. But hey, that's just one simple gearhead's oppinion.

Cheers!

Dan

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:11 pm
by T.E. Lawrence
Dan You are so right - I think that expossure of the scene has alot to to with it as well. In the Ciro scene Indys trousers have always looked really dark to me and I think it is because they expossed for all the sunlight sand, stone and whitish clothes. so the darker items went really dark.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:15 pm
by Ken
binkmeisterRick wrote:Ken, I hope you put that hat on display when all is said and done! :wink:

bink
That is exactly my plan - I have another hat for general use and one other hat I want to turn into a Eastwood style hat as per TE Lawrence's in the film. However I will wait till I next catch up with the guru himself before attempting any such surgery on any hats.

Ken

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:21 pm
by Indiana Texas-girl
Well, Ken, the Keppler looks to have served you well.