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So, why was he wearing a tie?
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:47 am
by Andiana
I see that alot of people go for the 'LC' look and have the type of black neck tie that Indy was wearing throughout the first half of LC.
My question is why was Indy wearing a tie? Was he trying to look good for good ol' dad? The tie doesn't bother me at all (he looks cool in it) but I just wnated to hear you guys opnions and outputs.
- Also, what kind of tie is it (company? name?)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 5:00 am
by Swindiana
Well, if you look closely at the bottom of his tie, you can see the exhaust vents for stunning gas and the spikes that turns it into a chainsaw...
Sorry, wrong genre.
The tie is black Irish poplin, a fabric with silk warp and worsted weft according to 'top sources'.
Noel Howard/MBA costumes offered it when they were in business and I'm pretty sure Sergei has one of them in his collection, and probably a few others more do too. Whether MBA made the original themselves or got one of the shelf, I'm not sure. What I do know though that it is quite a process to get a tie to look the way it does.
Why he wore it? I don't know... He first wears it when going to Venice and meets Elsa, and then again when rescuing Henry Sr. Maybe he thought it would be easier to get into the castle if looking more "official"?
Or: When going on adventure, why not look good doing it? (As we all try to...)
My guess is that the costumre department wanted a new look for Indy without altering the costume too much.
Regards,
Swindiana
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 5:05 am
by JAN
I think it quite clearly.
He was amoung "civilized" people. Not in some far jungle or
dessert.
Following the dress-code of his time, he was dressed as he was
supposed to. Still wearing his "adventure-dress" adding a tie
makes it actually quite desent.
There is no way You would find Henry Jones Jr. stombling around
in the civilized world dressed like "Indiana Jones" - You just didn´t
do that at that time.
Best regards
JAN
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:57 am
by Michaelson
There were (and still are) many places that do not allow entry without the wearing of a tie, so I believe he decided not to take a chance in his visit to the castle, and to wear a tie. Regards! Michaelson
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:44 am
by Indiana Jess
Elsa probably made him wear it. "Oh, you'd look so good with a tie." "Fine, I'll wear the tie."
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:04 pm
by J_Weaver
Indiana Jess wrote:Elsa probably made him wear it. "Oh, you'd look so good with a tie." "Fine, I'll wear the tie."
Heck, why not? If Elsa wanted me to wear a tie then I would wear a tie!
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:08 pm
by Mulceber
Yeah, he was in the civilized world (even if the Nazi's weren't what I would call civilized), also, remember his excuse for getting into the castle "we're here to view the tapestries". Even if he did make that up in the car, he must have known way back in Venice that there was no way he was getting in without a tie. :junior: -IJ
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:42 pm
by colorado jeff
Ties were frequently worn by "gentlemen". If you look at an old Harley Davidson catalog, a black (leather) tie was standard wear on a motorcycle. (really)
Theory #2 is that they were traveling by car. Remember before they switched clothes at the castle, she was quite smartly dressed for travel.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:51 pm
by Renderking Fisk
Back then, you had to wear a had, I tie, and a pair of trousers.
To some extent, things were better.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:08 pm
by Baggers
JAN wrote:I think it quite clearly.
He was amoung "civilized" people. Not in some far jungle or
dessert.
Following the dress-code of his time, he was dressed as he was
supposed to. Still wearing his "adventure-dress" adding a tie
makes it actually quite desent.
There is no way You would find Henry Jones Jr. stombling around
in the civilized world dressed like "Indiana Jones" - You just didn´t
do that at that time.
Best regards
JAN
I agree. Neckties were simply a required accessory for gentlemen in the 1930s. The only time one went without was when peforming hard physical labor.
Even during world War 2, British officers were required to wear one even when wearing battledress in combat. The other ranks (enlisted men) and NCOs weren't allowed to wear shirts with attached collars and neckties when "walking out" until early 1945. Prior to that, they wore collarless wool shirts underneath their BD blouses which had to be buttoned all the way up. It was seen as a mark of civilized status to be allowed to wear open BD collars with a shirt and tie showing.
Cheers!
Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 12:53 pm
by Curator Rick
Ties were standard wear for men in many classes. Looking through old photos of Curtiss-Wright Co. in the early 30s you can see factory and assembly line workers with ties, many times tucked in about level with the top of the shirt pocket to keep it out of the machinery. I even have a photo taken of my Grandfather in 1939 driving a tractor wearing one with his overalls.
CR
Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:52 pm
by Indiana Neri
Indiana Jess wrote:Elsa probably made him wear it. "Oh, you'd look so good with a tie." "Fine, I'll wear the tie."
"Elsa, should I wear the black one or the red polka-dot one?"
"Black! For the love of God, the black one!"
"But dad likes red."
"INDIANA JONES!"
"FINE! I'll wear the black one." (Slips red polka-dot tie into his right jacket pocket), [to himself] "Just in case..."
Can you imagine what Indy-Gear would be like if he had worn some wierd pattern on his tie
?
Indy N.
BTW: In the deleted sceens of LC, Elsa discovers the red polka-dot tie in his pocket and they argue the whole way to the castle and Indy is forced to change his tie.
[Yes, I have waaayyy too much time on my hands
]
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:52 pm
by Indiana Neri
Hello....
HELLO!....
Is this thing on?!
Tough room, lol
.
Indy N.
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:17 am
by Neolithic
That's a really good question, Andy. Who knows really...
I've always thought that it was because most of the action of LC takes place in more 'civilized' areas of the world as well. I guess it also suited his look as he'd increased his age and his mileage. He looked a bit older without the tie in LC.
I'm guessing that in Indy IV (if he's in our beloved 30's Indy outfit) that he'll wear a tie again.
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:41 pm
by Shawnkara
I don't know. To me Indy seems like the kind of a guy that only wore a tie because fashion dictated it. Like a little kid going to church. But I think he was too much of a maverick to wear one out of choice. Why did he have one in LC? He changed from his suit to his "work clothes" in the car. I think he was just so accustomed to wearing one he forgot to take it off. He took it off later because he'd seen some action by then, was hot and sweaty and suddenly realized, "Oh, yeah. I'm still being strangled by this ###'n stupid thing."
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:53 pm
by Indiana Wayne
Indiana Neri wrote:Indiana Jess wrote:Elsa probably made him wear it. "Oh, you'd look so good with a tie." "Fine, I'll wear the tie."
"Elsa, should I wear the black one or the red polka-dot one?"
"Black! For the love of God, the black one!"
"But dad likes red."
"INDIANA JONES!"
"FINE! I'll wear the black one." (Slips red polka-dot tie into his right jacket pocket), [to himself] "Just in case..."
Can you imagine what Indy-Gear would be like if he had worn some wierd pattern on his tie
?
Indy N.
BTW: In the deleted sceens of LC, Elsa discovers the red polka-dot tie in his pocket and they argue the whole way to the castle and Indy is forced to change his tie.
[Yes, I have waaayyy too much time on my hands
]
That's funny! I am wearing my tie right now. I hope he wears it again in Indy 4.
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:51 pm
by Mojave Jack
Baggers wrote:Even during world War 2, British officers were required to wear one even when wearing battledress in combat. The other ranks (enlisted men) and NCOs weren't allowed to wear shirts with attached collars and neckties when "walking out" until early 1945. Prior to that, they wore collarless wool shirts underneath their BD blouses which had to be buttoned all the way up. It was seen as a mark of civilized status to be allowed to wear open BD collars with a shirt and tie showing.
Cheers!
George S. Patton was also famous for requiring his men to dress appropriately for battle, to include a tie.
Appearing in public without a tie was like appearing without pants! Even pictures of people in breadlines during the depression show the men wearing ties!