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nice! .......looks like tony has listened to our requests and have nailed everything that i mentioned to him.......everything....every little thing. if he manages to spell my name right on the jacket, then this will be the first ever raiders jacket that i buy that is perfect (i'm assuming that the fit is bang on too).

congrats doctor hatch ;-) ......enjoy that puppy.......now you've made my wait more painful so i hope you're happy about that........ ;-)

Indiana G wrote:
as far as a picture is concerned, i think we can forget about all that talk. tony was talking about a picture from a book which i am assuming is a published picture of ford in the hero jacket that WE know.

"Picture from a book"?! What Nowak needs to do is post a picture of the alleged "hero jacket" in his possession and quit jerking us around!

Indiana Strones wrote:I'm just reading what is wrote. No opinion.

Well, you DID post the 'rolling eyeball' smilie, so that implies an opinion.... ;-)

Regards! Michalson

sebas wrote:

Indiana G wrote:
as far as a picture is concerned, i think we can forget about all that talk. tony was talking about a picture from a book which i am assuming is a published picture of ford in the hero jacket that WE know.

"Picture from a book"?! What Nowak needs to do is post a picture of the alleged "hero jacket" in his possession and quit jerking us around!

how can he be "jerking us around" when he hasn't posted anything or advertised anything here or on his website? all of information that has been relayed is based on the fact that some of us have actually contacted him.....and those individuals were kind enough to share the information.

sebas, phone him if you want a jacket or if you'd like to discuss details of the jacket or details of his life....he's a very interesting person to talk to. i suggest you tone down your 'get lost' and 'jerking everyone around' comments as they are in poor taste. and for the last time, it is NOT the hero jacket that we know, but his sources told him that and thats what he's going on. i'm glad hatch posted pics of his jacket so that people can see what tony is capable of....because if some folks choose to perpetuate this hostile atmosphere, maybe i'll just keep jacket #010 to myself.

I wouldnt' blame you one bit, G.

Regards! Michaelson

I still expect to see it up close

......just cross 9th ave my friend and you can inspect away when i get it ;-)

I love the look of the leather! Fantastic!

Hatch, Great Jacket! Wear it in good health.

Why the last one? because I'm still a student and can't afford it yet. Hope I will be able to before they run out.

Regards, Geert

I must say those are the best looking pocket flaps i've seen....

gwyddion wrote:Hope I will be able to before they run out.

I don't think there's a danger of them running out. 888 is a lot of jackets.

Indiana G wrote:......just cross 9th ave my friend and you can inspect away when i get it ;-)

count on it

Michaelson wrote:Oh, I believe you, don't misunderstand. I'm just waiting for the definitive Tony Nowak explaination and description with photos rather than 'someone heard from someone who talked too Tony'......

Regards! Michaelson

Well, if it helps, I spoke to Tony last Thursday, and he did mention that the leather was exactly like the jacket he had. However, judging from those photos, I won't be surprised if the reason the jacket he copied looked like that was because of its age, and a LOT of rough handling! Just the way Tony wants us to handle his jackets!

LOVE the changes in some of the details...especially the yoke/sleeve seam.

The hide really needs to grown on you (still not certain it has on me...yet), but it does look like a very nice Raiders jacket. Can't wait to see an actual person willing to wear it for pics.

DVD Connoisseur wrote:

gwyddion wrote:Hope I will be able to before they run out.

I don't think there's a danger of them running out. 888 is a lot of jackets.

I got the impression from talking with Tony, that he doesn't think he'll sell out of either jacket!

Baldwyn wrote:
I got the impression from talking with Tony, that he doesn't think he'll sell out of either jacket!

I hope he doesn't because I want a TN CS but can't really do it until next tax return. If he does, this TN Raiders may do as well.

I certainly can't critique the SA aspects of the Raiders TN. Either way, that's a nice jacket and I'm sure looks & feels fantastic. Thanks for sharing the pictures.........

Great looking pockets/flaps & collar BTW.

Nice strap configuration there! Thanks for sharing the pictures Hatch! This jacket looks much closer to the specs. I've collected over the years.

According to _, Peter has a similar slider in brass, which could easily be painted black (as it can be seen in several scenes) or better yet, I could have it powder coated Add to that an authentic lamb and a washer...

Regards,

Marc

I really like the G&B rectangular buckles. They make them in-house too.

Indiana G wrote:

sebas wrote:

Indiana G wrote:
as far as a picture is concerned, i think we can forget about all that talk. tony was talking about a picture from a book which i am assuming is a published picture of ford in the hero jacket that WE know.

"Picture from a book"?! What Nowak needs to do is post a picture of the alleged "hero jacket" in his possession and quit jerking us around!

how can he be "jerking us around" when he hasn't posted anything or advertised anything here or on his website? all of information that has been relayed is based on the fact that some of us have actually contacted him.....and those individuals were kind enough to share the information.

sebas, phone him if you want a jacket or if you'd like to discuss details of the jacket or details of his life....he's a very interesting person to talk to. i suggest you tone down your 'get lost' and 'jerking everyone around' comments as they are in poor taste. and for the last time, it is NOT the hero jacket that we know, but his sources told him that and thats what he's going on. i'm glad hatch posted pics of his jacket so that people can see what tony is capable of....because if some folks choose to perpetuate this hostile atmosphere, maybe i'll just keep jacket #010 to myself.

Look G, it's not that I don't respect the man's craftmanship nor do I want to imply that he's being nasty. Don't get me wrong. The way I see it is this: he claims to have a an original jacket (hero or otherwise) from Raiders that he's copying. If that's the case, it would behoove him to back that up somehow. Especially, given the price tag. I mean, imagine if a vendor said he got his hands on one of the hero fedoras and said he was replicating it. I'm not sure many of us would buy it unless we saw that it indeed was the "real deal." I'm taking the consumer POV here. That's all.

I really like the G&B rectangular buckles. They make them in-house too.

Got them on two of my Westeds Jason! So the choice is yours

Regards,

Marc

sebas wrote:

Indiana G wrote:

sebas wrote:

Indiana G wrote:
as far as a picture is concerned, i think we can forget about all that talk. tony was talking about a picture from a book which i am assuming is a published picture of ford in the hero jacket that WE know.

"Picture from a book"?! What Nowak needs to do is post a picture of the alleged "hero jacket" in his possession and quit jerking us around!

how can he be "jerking us around" when he hasn't posted anything or advertised anything here or on his website? all of information that has been relayed is based on the fact that some of us have actually contacted him.....and those individuals were kind enough to share the information.

sebas, phone him if you want a jacket or if you'd like to discuss details of the jacket or details of his life....he's a very interesting person to talk to. i suggest you tone down your 'get lost' and 'jerking everyone around' comments as they are in poor taste. and for the last time, it is NOT the hero jacket that we know, but his sources told him that and thats what he's going on. i'm glad hatch posted pics of his jacket so that people can see what tony is capable of....because if some folks choose to perpetuate this hostile atmosphere, maybe i'll just keep jacket #010 to myself.

Look G, it's not that I don't respect the man's craftmanship nor do I want to imply that he's being nasty. Don't get me wrong. The way I see it is this: he claims to have a an original jacket (hero or otherwise) from Raiders that he's copying. If that's the case, it would behoove him to back that up somehow. Especially, given the price tag. I mean, imagine if a vendor said he got his hands on one of the hero fedoras and said he was replicating it. I'm not sure many of us would buy it unless we saw that it indeed was the "real deal." I'm taking the consumer POV here. That's all.

fair enough sir. let me share this with you then. his claim of the jacket being the hero jacket was relayed to him by those who provided him the jacket for one day. i can hazard a guess of who that person is (or whom the people are) but i won't throw anymore speculation onto the fire. that was why he was broadcasting that news to whomever contacted him as his source told him that. the gentleman that he is, he will not betray the trust of his source and relay who it is and where this jacket came from exactly.....which is why this issue was so shrouded with secrecy and mystery. it was us gearheads that had to point it out to him that hey, i don't think that's the hero jacket. he looked at a picture in a book with ford wearing a brown leather jacket with cargo patch pocketst and probably thought it was the same one as the one loaned to him. he's not as bad as us stitch nazis, i guess. i asked hiim several times, "come on tony, be honest.....am i as bad as bernie???" he'd never answered me directly

i want to apologize to you if my remarks were a bit abrasive to you. i told tony that i would protect his name on the board and i may have let emotion get the best of me (my wife would be proud ).

if you or anyone here ever get the urge to get this information directly from him, i truly recommend calling him. he is an extremely interesting fellow with lots of stories and all he wants to do is provide us with a jacket that will meet the customer's EXACT needs.

cheers,


g

uh oh,.....now I am starting to want one....jeez...... great pics hatch!!

I must say, the TN is getting better. That's a nice looking jacket. Cargo pockets look alot better - flaps may be a little too scalloped, but that is being much too picky.

Couple things:
1. did the hero jacket straps point to the front or rear panel?
2. how many inches away is the bottom of the side strap from the bottom of the back panel? 5" 6"
3. are the straps located at the midpoint of the cargo pockets?
4. how are the hand warmer pockets constructed?
5. have the hand warmers being made more functional so one can more easily insert their hand without doing the ol hand twist?

Thanks for the pics Hatch.
next up...G

Maybe this sounds uneducated to the leather experts because it is but.

say the hide does look the same on the hero jacket as it does on the TN...couldn't it be that the condition of the Hero jacket has been degraded to this?...Think about the Hero Fedora in the possession of ScreenUsed...I mean its a shell of the hat it once was...

I've seen the screenshots that suggest the rugged texture but that to me looks like it was obtained by wear and tear on set, such as repelling from ropes or being thrown to pebbled dirt...IMO

Let me know what you guys think of that.

Best,

Matt

Matt, I agree with you.

Most likley...

Plus the age in genral- 20+ years in storage of unknown quality and who knows what it has been exposed to since the set closed...

Very possible....

Maybe it is the pictures but both the hide and jacket/pocket configuration are looking better.

Nice jacket. But like many things, this offering is really open to interpretation. The hide is interesting, but I’d be lying if I said it was “Raiders’. The only reason I point that out is because to a large degree, this jacket is looked on by many as a “Raider” replica. The rest of it actually reminds me a helluva lot like a G&B Expedition. Besides the sliders (instead of rectangular loops), the only real difference I see in the design is a bit more definition/angles in the pocket flaps. Nice jacket. Expensive, but nice.

junior: 1. toward the spine I believe but I'm not getting in that briar patch: I'll defer to Indy G or higher order #2 5 1/8 " #3 yes #4 Patch leather pocket with leather facings behind opening into pouch of lining material #5 very easy entry, thats one thing Tony stressed to me

Hatch wrote:junior: 1. toward the spine I believe but I'm not getting in that briar patch: I'll defer to Indy G or higher order #2 5 1/8 " #3 yes #4 Patch leather pocket with leather facings behind opening into pouch of lining material #5 very easy entry, thats one thing Tony stressed to me

the straps have quite a convoluted history that sebas may have brought something to light on....this is purely speculation of course so please don't perpetuate it as fact:

1. original raiders jacket had buckles with prongs on them which would somewhat explain some of the strap penetrations on the jacket that tony handled (yes, it is not the hero jacket but if its bloodline is true then maybe the hero jacket had this also). the anchoring was done internally on the backpanel. OR, this is when the d-rings were used and found to slip too much.
2. they switched out the D-rings to buckles and then in the end to sliders and that's when the internal anchoring went to the outside of the backpanel. the strap would probably have to have been replaced as it was too short per the bantu wind photo.

maybe this is also when x-boxes or k-stitches came about. again i don't know but its nice to believe.......in the same manner that we believed indy to be on a spaceship

i'm sure _ is laughing at me right.......about......now!!!!!

btw....i like straps slipping through buckles and pointing towards the spine. rectangular sliders are too easy to have in my book

moviematt1989 wrote:Maybe this sounds uneducated to the leather experts because it is but.

say the hide does look the same on the hero jacket as it does on the TN...couldn't it be that the condition of the Hero jacket has been degraded to this?...Think about the Hero Fedora in the possession of ScreenUsed...I mean its a shell of the hat it once was...

I've seen the screenshots that suggest the rugged texture but that to me looks like it was obtained by wear and tear on set, such as repelling from ropes or being thrown to pebbled dirt...IMO

Let me know what you guys think of that.

Best,

Matt

Exactly what I said! But your phrasing makes it make more sense! ;-)

Indiana G wrote:
the straps have quite a convoluted history that sebas may have brought something to light on....this is purely speculation of course so please don't perpetuate it as fact:

1. original raiders jacket had buckles with prongs on them which would somewhat explain some of the strap penetrations on the jacket that tony handled (yes, it is not the hero jacket but if its bloodline is true then maybe the hero jacket had this also)
. the anchoring was done internally on the backpanel. OR, this is when the d-rings were used and found to slip too much.
...............

So then are you saying it is now confirmed that the jacket Tony had is not the or a Hero jacket? or that the jacket still does not look like the same Hero jacket people are talking about/seeing in screen shots?

Just asking.

Indiana G wrote:

Hatch wrote:junior: 1. toward the spine I believe but I'm not getting in that briar patch: I'll defer to Indy G or higher order #2 5 1/8 " #3 yes #4 Patch leather pocket with leather facings behind opening into pouch of lining material #5 very easy entry, thats one thing Tony stressed to me

the straps have quite a convoluted history that sebas may have brought something to light on....this is purely speculation of course so please don't perpetuate it as fact:

1. original raiders jacket had buckles with prongs on them which would somewhat explain some of the strap penetrations on the jacket that tony handled (yes, it is not the hero jacket but if its bloodline is true then maybe the hero jacket had this also). the anchoring was done internally on the backpanel. OR, this is when the d-rings were used and found to slip too much.
2. they switched out the D-rings to buckles and then in the end to sliders and that's when the internal anchoring went to the outside of the backpanel. the strap would probably have to have been replaced as it was too short per the bantu wind photo.

maybe this is also when x-boxes or k-stitches came about. again i don't know but its nice to believe.......in the same manner that we believed indy to be on a spaceship

i'm sure _ is laughing at me right.......about......now!!!!!

btw....i like straps slipping through buckles and pointing towards the spine. rectangular sliders are too easy to have in my book

That's enough! G has been staring at the skull long enough!

That version 2 is very nice indeed, If I have the money, I would order one

Castor Dioscuri wrote: That's enough! G has been staring at the skull long enough!

I think that could be said of a lot of folks around here! ;-)

RCSignals wrote:

Indiana G wrote:
the straps have quite a convoluted history that sebas may have brought something to light on....this is purely speculation of course so please don't perpetuate it as fact:

1. original raiders jacket had buckles with prongs on them which would somewhat explain some of the strap penetrations on the jacket that tony handled (yes, it is not the hero jacket but if its bloodline is true then maybe the hero jacket had this also)
. the anchoring was done internally on the backpanel. OR, this is when the d-rings were used and found to slip too much.
...............

So then are you saying it is now confirmed that the jacket Tony had is not the or a Hero jacket? or that the jacket still does not look like the same Hero jacket people are talking about/seeing in screen shots?

Just asking.

i can't confirm whether or not it is a hero jacket....i can confirm that it does not look like anything i (and some of the rest of us) have seen in the movie.

man, i really gotta watch my words closely around this bunch.........._, how do you do it???? ;-)

Indiana G wrote:

RCSignals wrote:

Indiana G wrote:
the straps have quite a convoluted history that sebas may have brought something to light on....this is purely speculation of course so please don't perpetuate it as fact:

1. original raiders jacket had buckles with prongs on them which would somewhat explain some of the strap penetrations on the jacket that tony handled (yes, it is not the hero jacket but if its bloodline is true then maybe the hero jacket had this also)
. the anchoring was done internally on the backpanel. OR, this is when the d-rings were used and found to slip too much.
...............

So then are you saying it is now confirmed that the jacket Tony had is not the or a Hero jacket? or that the jacket still does not look like the same Hero jacket people are talking about/seeing in screen shots?

Just asking.

i can't confirm whether or not it is a hero jacket....i can confirm that it does not look like anything i (and some of the rest of us) have seen in the movie.

man, i really gotta watch my words closely around this bunch.........._, how do you do it???? ;-)

No worries, I was just confused with the wording and considering all the rest of the thread.

Tony's new jacket looks really nice. It is like my G&B only it is less stiff and more "earthy" looking. I may have to distress mine...

_ wrote:Trying to read this thread objectively, i.e. not knowing anything beyond what's actually said or shown... I have to say it is pretty confusing and I think it really comes back to pedigree and what you can ask for. At a price of a thousand bucks, I must say I can understand the concerns.

Tony is a man who I have heard positive things about for years. There were three reasons. First was the general integrity and honesty of the man, and I can add my name as a reference there. Second was that this was a guy who knew how to make a jacket that would fit a weightlifter. This is rare - extremely rare. We tend to get used to compromises in how the world fits us. Third was simply because I lived in the area at the time.

The above is, admittedly, a general recommendation. On a $300 jacket I'd say "throw the dice" on the rest, but a grand is something a future-ex-wife can use to get the attention of a judge. In Vegas it is 50 lap-dances or a really nice happy ending. In Phoenix it is two - of each! I'd recommend calling the man to discuss the pedigree and set expectations. Alternatively you may want to wait for more customer experiences. Personally, I trust the man. He's one of the good guys...

Note to self: I need to get back to Phoenix. Specifically South Scottsdale / North Tempe... Ah, Courtney Richie... Just about the prettiest redhead I know...

uhm....yeah...hopefully your wife isn't reading this.....

{ps - let me know when you're going.....i won't tell your wife if you don't tell mine ;-) }

_ wrote: I'd recommend calling the man to discuss the pedigree and set expectations. Alternatively you may want to wait for more customer experiences. Personally, I trust the man. He's one of the good guys...

I may do that (or wait until Tony feels he can tell us about the pedigree of the jacket). The two jackets posted so far are absolutely fantastic, but, for a grand, I would probably go another route as there are other high-quality interpretations out there for a lot less money.

But, if the jacket has a strong pedigree and I could get exactly what I see on the screen because the jacket's base was a screen used jacket that had been examined in detail? Then it would be a lot easier to let that grand out of the old bank account.

And while I know it's silly to want a high quality replica of a jacket that, apparently, has a few design issues (pocket placement, etc.), logic doesn't play in this with me. I've got some great quality Indy jackets that will last me a long time (including a Nowak CS). I want that jacket I see in the temple scenes, dangit!!

It is really interesting comparing this thread to the ToD jacket threads...

In the ToD jacket threads, we have both a picture of the screen used jacket that is being copied, and pictures of the prototype before sales begin. I know it was a jacket that was around and had been seen before, but at least we know what the jacket being sold is a copy of - even if it didn't get a lot of screen time. And in the process of discussing this jacket and disagreeing, we have all learned more about what happened with the ToD jackets - including _ who I applaud for being open to questioning. I think this is where this forum works the best, when everything is out in the open.

In this Raiders jacket thread, we don't yet know what jacket(s) were used, nor have seen a picture of these jackets that were used to copy from, and the pictures of the first production jacket were not well received, and the second a little more so - again based on pictures.

I know Indy would say "trust me" - but I feel like we are more informed and less in the dark about the new ToD jacket, than we are about the TN Raiders jacket.

_ - who is or are the shills? You will happily keep the confidence of one vendor (I feel at the expense of information that would help the group), but then freely air dirty laundry about another. (We all get you feel wronged by what happened....)

To those who gave TN the SA specs well done, you did a great job and TN made a nice jacket. (You forgot to tell him that the back panel should extend all the way to the sleeve/arm seams.)

But you ruined it for all the rest of us who were waiting for a copy of the original...

This jacket is good as any other jacket made by any other maker. I could go to a local jacket maker tomorrow, give him all the specs and he will make a jacket just like this for less than $1000.

The "magic" of the TN jacket (which justified the $1K) is now lost forever since the jacket in the photos above is proof that he never handled the actual hero jacket.

Nice pockets though...

They will say you that 1000$ is the right price for that jacket: it's "demand and offer". Funny. ;-)

PLATON wrote:To those who gave TN the SA specs well done, you did a great job and TN made a nice jacket. (You forgot to tell him that the back panel should extend all the way to the sleeve/arm seams.)

But you ruined it for all the rest of us who were waiting for a copy of the original...

This jacket is good as any other jacket made by any other maker. I could go to a local jacket maker tomorrow, give him all the specs and he will make a jacket just like this for less than $1000.

The "magic" of the TN jacket (which justified the $1K) is now lost forever since the jacket in the photos above is proof that he never handled the actual hero jacket.

Nice pockets though...

Like its been posted, Tony will make whatever you want. So Im sure if people still want a copy of the jacket he copied(Hero or not) He will be able to do it.Im sure he made patterns and took notes on the original. Thats the one I would pay the money for cause like you said with those specs it isnt any different then any other custom jacket. When I go down to see him, Im going to get as much info about the original as I can. I pray he atleast has pics of the original so I can compare them to 'probably' G's custom spec jacket.
Best Regards,
Joe

PLATON wrote:To those who gave TN the SA specs well done, you did a great job and TN made a nice jacket. (You forgot to tell him that the back panel should extend all the way to the sleeve/arm seams.)

But you ruined it for all the rest of us who were waiting for a copy of the original...

This jacket is good as any other jacket made by any other maker. I could go to a local jacket maker tomorrow, give him all the specs and he will make a jacket just like this for less than $1000.

The "magic" of the TN jacket (which justified the $1K) is now lost forever since the jacket in the photos above is proof that he never handled the actual hero jacket.

Nice pockets though...

That's a terrific point, Platon and you're spot on. The first pics we saw of the TN Raiders replica differ from these latest ones posted by Hatch (yoke and sleeve seam, for example). This is absolutely contradictory. Is he or is he not making an exact replica of that mystery jacket? If so, which version is it? The former or the latter?

Has the endeavor really been "polluted" by gearheads feeding him details to make the replica "more SA"?

And those who keep saying that TN will make an awesome jacket exactly to your specs... Yes, fantastic, but that is totally besides the point. So will Todd. So will Wested. What the majority of us want to see is an exact replica of that jacket (that's wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma...for the moment, we hope). That's it.

I'll order an EXACT copy IF (and this is a big if) Tony can give me some peace of mind about what I'll actually get. If he can't share any photos of the "hero" jacket from George Lucas's collection, I'd at least like to see some drawings which indicate the details and key measurements that will be included. Tony sent me some hand drawn sketches of the Crystal Skull jacket which had 7 key measurements on it so I assume he can at least do the same for the Indy 1.

It's all very well speaking with Tony on the phone but it seems he won't commit anything to writing / emails. I certainly don't want to order a jacket based on conversation only.

As I've already said, I don't feel it should be necessary to request any detail changes but what I want to know is whether slydini's jacket #001/888 is effectively what I'd get? Slydini confirmed that he didn't ask for ANY changes to be made whatsoever so this implies that jacket #001/888 is Tony's exact copy of the jacket he was allowed to borrow. If that's the case, my concerns are still very much in place.

Chris

_ wrote:On a $300 jacket I'd say "throw the dice" on the rest, but a grand is something a future-ex-wife can use to get the attention of a judge. In Vegas it is 50 lap-dances or a really nice happy ending. In Phoenix it is two - of each! I'd recommend calling the man to discuss the pedigree and set expectations. Alternatively you may want to wait for more customer experiences. Personally, I trust the man. He's one of the good guys...

_: the interesting thing about that statement is the raw truth of it.

reading it completely, I see the truth in the fact that a Judge would raise an eyebrow at a G-note jacket, and at the same time possibly not at spending as much- or more- on lap dances etc. (Perhaps because the judge has been there? )

Just an interesting observation of an interesting analogy...

Party on Wayne!