Club Obi Wan

tomek9210 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 7:07 am Is the sizing true? I mean does the size 34 measure 34 inches around the waist (17 inches when measures flat)?

mr_alex wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:21 am ...then I don't know how to help you. Go with the size that you wear most often from most retailers.

Basically every pair of pants I own is a size 32 waist, and the size 32's from Karolian Dry Goods fit perfectly. My true waist is closer to 33" if that's helpful at all.

In any case, the answer is still "no" it's not "true sizing". What you do with that information is up to you.

Hollowpond wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:43 am I do love how you are shooting for "screen seen" colors, but what movies or particular scenes did you have in mind when you decided to do the olive and grey?

tomek9210 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:39 am I can't wait to get them.

How do you estimate the time of shipping the packages out? Around New Year?

TheExit148 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:08 pm What's the rise on the Desert Grey pants on the size 30 and 32?

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:21 am Hey all,

Looks like the Cairo shirts should be shipping in about 3 weeks!

They got delayed a bit, but I should have tracking info soon.

Thank you for the patience!

tomek9210 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:19 am Any chance for that close up photo?

Are there any news on the grey trousers?

Beswick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 8:39 pm Here's a couple pics wearing the shirt in Streets of Cairo gear

Holt wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:30 am Looks fantastic! Please do a crusade.

Holt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:57 pm It was directed at you. I need some LC pants. There arent too many options out there. We need more!

Croft, what lightning did you use in your photos? Pants look super light in color.

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:47 pm Hey gang,

Glad the shirts are starting to roll in!

Up top, I need to apologize if you purchased a shirt on Etsy.

I accidentally uploaded the original sample photos to the listing - prior to removing the last button on the front placket to make it a bit more accurate to Raiders. This is totally on me if you purchased on Etsy and were expecting the last button.

There should be an extra button sewn onto the tag on the side seam if you would like to add it.

I had a few questions pop up that I want to address to help folks who may be on the fence, or maybe want a more practical shirt.

I tried to get these shirts as close as I could to the screen used Raiders shirts as was possible being manufactured. I even was able to confirm that Dietrich is wearing the same design shirt under his uniform. I'm not sure if that's been discussed before (while I've been sewing my own Indy shirts since around 2017, I am way more active in Solo costuming than Indy)

But I used that to help determine some colors/cut as well as photos of Harrison Ford of course.

Some quirks to this shirt that may be impractical or cumbersome for some folks:

Button placement - as I mentioned, I nixed the last button. I'm not sure if maybe this was done to have it look better untucked?

Buttons - this is one thing that I am really happy with, but also want to improve on hah. The shape and color of these buttons is something that worked out really well. They are shockingly hard to find. So they *are* a little large, but I think the color shirt on them and contrast with the fabric works well. But I would love to have them made a bit smaller in the future. Eventually, I'd like to add buttons in a material I think is dead on to the screen used ones, but it'll take a lot of back and forth with button manufacturers to get them right and a quantity I can afford.

Sleeve length - the shirts seem to have fairly short sleeves, even though Ford is very trim in Raiders. The bias placket is also more delicate than a typical placket, so like the Azuma, be careful when pulling the rolled sleeves up.

Cuff and placket - this area is definitely the trickiest part of the shirt. The sleeves seem pretty slim, and the placket is very short. It seems to be about the same length as the cuff itself. That definitely makes it difficult to roll. But I wanted to avoid having a long placket, and one with a button - only having a button on the cuff.

The Hem - this was one area where I went for a little middle ground. The screen used shirts have a big scallop to them so the tails hang pretty low compared to the side seam. In the photos of screen used shirts you can see the beginning of the cuff hits around the side seam hem. So overall, I went a little longer than the screen used, but the "tails" aren't as long. This is more a result of manufacturing needs. The more steps/design changes, the higher the price per unit.

Epaulets - this is a big sticking point with myself and I know Indy fans for sure. I tried to get these Raiders ones as long as possible (they are all a little different film to film). But the shirts are made in really small numbers - so the materials are cut with the fabric in stacks where things like epaulets, pockets, etc don't scale.

I reallllly am trying to keep these items as reasonably priced as possible. For years and years, I made absolutely everything myself (and built up a pretty good reputation in the Solo costuming community), and I always told myself if I was going to partner with a manufacturer, I wanted to keep the pricing reasonable and respectful for my buyers comparing a similar item to one I hand make.

Attached are two photos that I think show the quirks on the screen used items well.

I know I'll never please everyone with a manufactured item. Everyone's fit is different, and so are their *must haves* and their *close enoughs* in terms of accuracy for items. They also need to jive with your other items for the costume.

But I am hoping that wall of texts helps folks make a decision - especially as I couldn't really post in all the forums/FB groups with how the development process went for these shirts. The lead time for a small operation like myself is long enough that folks with more resources can develop them faster.

That is also why I made some choices that made my offerings a bit unique - like the trousers being cotton, and their details and construction being VERY accurate to Raiders, but they are a bit slimmer and have a slightly higher crotch than others (took a lot of feedback Todds got in terms of the fit into account on these)

Anyhow, always feel free to discuss these details, tag me, critique, ask me questions! I do get a little overwhelmed at times with questions/inquiries when my plate is full, but I am always open to talking shop!

tomek9210 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 4:42 am Croft, what lightning did you use in your photos? Pants look super light in color.

Adam, any news on the production of the desert grey pants?

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:32 pm

Holt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:57 pm It was directed at you. I need some LC pants. There arent too many options out there. We need more!

I haven't quite dug into those quite yet!

But perhaps I can get to em this year!

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:47 pm Hey gang,

Glad the shirts are starting to roll in!

Up top, I need to apologize if you purchased a shirt on Etsy.

I accidentally uploaded the original sample photos to the listing - prior to removing the last button on the front placket to make it a bit more accurate to Raiders. This is totally on me if you purchased on Etsy and were expecting the last button.

There should be an extra button sewn onto the tag on the side seam if you would like to add it.

I had a few questions pop up that I want to address to help folks who may be on the fence, or maybe want a more practical shirt.

I tried to get these shirts as close as I could to the screen used Raiders shirts as was possible being manufactured. I even was able to confirm that Dietrich is wearing the same design shirt under his uniform. I'm not sure if that's been discussed before (while I've been sewing my own Indy shirts since around 2017, I am way more active in Solo costuming than Indy)

But I used that to help determine some colors/cut as well as photos of Harrison Ford of course.

Some quirks to this shirt that may be impractical or cumbersome for some folks:

Button placement - as I mentioned, I nixed the last button. I'm not sure if maybe this was done to have it look better untucked?

Buttons - this is one thing that I am really happy with, but also want to improve on hah. The shape and color of these buttons is something that worked out really well. They are shockingly hard to find. So they *are* a little large, but I think the color shirt on them and contrast with the fabric works well. But I would love to have them made a bit smaller in the future. Eventually, I'd like to add buttons in a material I think is dead on to the screen used ones, but it'll take a lot of back and forth with button manufacturers to get them right and a quantity I can afford.

Sleeve length - the shirts seem to have fairly short sleeves, even though Ford is very trim in Raiders. The bias placket is also more delicate than a typical placket, so like the Azuma, be careful when pulling the rolled sleeves up.

Cuff and placket - this area is definitely the trickiest part of the shirt. The sleeves seem pretty slim, and the placket is very short. It seems to be about the same length as the cuff itself. That definitely makes it difficult to roll. But I wanted to avoid having a long placket, and one with a button - only having a button on the cuff.

The Hem - this was one area where I went for a little middle ground. The screen used shirts have a big scallop to them so the tails hang pretty low compared to the side seam. In the photos of screen used shirts you can see the beginning of the cuff hits around the side seam hem. So overall, I went a little longer than the screen used, but the "tails" aren't as long. This is more a result of manufacturing needs. The more steps/design changes, the higher the price per unit.

Epaulets - this is a big sticking point with myself and I know Indy fans for sure. I tried to get these Raiders ones as long as possible (they are all a little different film to film). But the shirts are made in really small numbers - so the materials are cut with the fabric in stacks where things like epaulets, pockets, etc don't scale.

I reallllly am trying to keep these items as reasonably priced as possible. For years and years, I made absolutely everything myself (and built up a pretty good reputation in the Solo costuming community), and I always told myself if I was going to partner with a manufacturer, I wanted to keep the pricing reasonable and respectful for my buyers comparing a similar item to one I hand make.

Attached are two photos that I think show the quirks on the screen used items well.

I know I'll never please everyone with a manufactured item. Everyone's fit is different, and so are their *must haves* and their *close enoughs* in terms of accuracy for items. They also need to jive with your other items for the costume.

But I am hoping that wall of texts helps folks make a decision - especially as I couldn't really post in all the forums/FB groups with how the development process went for these shirts. The lead time for a small operation like myself is long enough that folks with more resources can develop them faster.

That is also why I made some choices that made my offerings a bit unique - like the trousers being cotton, and their details and construction being VERY accurate to Raiders, but they are a bit slimmer and have a slightly higher crotch than others (took a lot of feedback Todds got in terms of the fit into account on these)

Anyhow, always feel free to discuss these details, tag me, critique, ask me questions! I do get a little overwhelmed at times with questions/inquiries when my plate is full, but I am always open to talking shop!

IJJTM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 3:49 pm

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:32 pm

Holt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:57 pm It was directed at you. I need some LC pants. There arent too many options out there. We need more!

I haven't quite dug into those quite yet!

But perhaps I can get to em this year!

Weren’t your dark khaki prototypes meant to be LC?

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:56 pm

IJJTM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 3:49 pm

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:32 pm

Holt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:57 pm It was directed at you. I need some LC pants. There arent too many options out there. We need more!

I haven't quite dug into those quite yet!

But perhaps I can get to em this year!

Weren’t your dark khaki prototypes meant to be LC?

Well, I wasn't entirely sure how they'd look when they arrived. No matter how well you take photos, it's always a gamble on what materials will look like in person.

The cost of shipping one sample vs several is the same, and kinda expensive, so I ordered two colors.

It's been my experience that the manufacturers are hesitant to send the booklets of fabric swatches to newer clients because it can effect their relationship with the textile manufacturers/you could take that fabric to another manufacturer, spending time with tire kickers, etc.

It's also tricky when you are ordering a low number of units. Compared to a larger business (even a small company) that's placing orders for 1k+ units.

Design wise, the two initial sample trousers are the same.

It looks to me like the pocket placement and darts on TOD is different. But I am not sure how that was done on the Crusade trousers. I also want to make sure the way the waistband is constructed is the same. That was one thing that made sewing my pairs tricky, and was helped with the stretch of the thread and material used.

I haven't dug too far into Crusade beyond the shirt so far.

Beswick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:59 pm

KarolianDryGoods wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:47 pm Hey gang,

Glad the shirts are starting to roll in!

Up top, I need to apologize if you purchased a shirt on Etsy.

I accidentally uploaded the original sample photos to the listing - prior to removing the last button on the front placket to make it a bit more accurate to Raiders. This is totally on me if you purchased on Etsy and were expecting the last button.

There should be an extra button sewn onto the tag on the side seam if you would like to add it.

I had a few questions pop up that I want to address to help folks who may be on the fence, or maybe want a more practical shirt.

I tried to get these shirts as close as I could to the screen used Raiders shirts as was possible being manufactured. I even was able to confirm that Dietrich is wearing the same design shirt under his uniform. I'm not sure if that's been discussed before (while I've been sewing my own Indy shirts since around 2017, I am way more active in Solo costuming than Indy)

But I used that to help determine some colors/cut as well as photos of Harrison Ford of course.

Some quirks to this shirt that may be impractical or cumbersome for some folks:

Button placement - as I mentioned, I nixed the last button. I'm not sure if maybe this was done to have it look better untucked?

Buttons - this is one thing that I am really happy with, but also want to improve on hah. The shape and color of these buttons is something that worked out really well. They are shockingly hard to find. So they *are* a little large, but I think the color shirt on them and contrast with the fabric works well. But I would love to have them made a bit smaller in the future. Eventually, I'd like to add buttons in a material I think is dead on to the screen used ones, but it'll take a lot of back and forth with button manufacturers to get them right and a quantity I can afford.

Sleeve length - the shirts seem to have fairly short sleeves, even though Ford is very trim in Raiders. The bias placket is also more delicate than a typical placket, so like the Azuma, be careful when pulling the rolled sleeves up.

Cuff and placket - this area is definitely the trickiest part of the shirt. The sleeves seem pretty slim, and the placket is very short. It seems to be about the same length as the cuff itself. That definitely makes it difficult to roll. But I wanted to avoid having a long placket, and one with a button - only having a button on the cuff.

The Hem - this was one area where I went for a little middle ground. The screen used shirts have a big scallop to them so the tails hang pretty low compared to the side seam. In the photos of screen used shirts you can see the beginning of the cuff hits around the side seam hem. So overall, I went a little longer than the screen used, but the "tails" aren't as long. This is more a result of manufacturing needs. The more steps/design changes, the higher the price per unit.

Epaulets - this is a big sticking point with myself and I know Indy fans for sure. I tried to get these Raiders ones as long as possible (they are all a little different film to film). But the shirts are made in really small numbers - so the materials are cut with the fabric in stacks where things like epaulets, pockets, etc don't scale.

I reallllly am trying to keep these items as reasonably priced as possible. For years and years, I made absolutely everything myself (and built up a pretty good reputation in the Solo costuming community), and I always told myself if I was going to partner with a manufacturer, I wanted to keep the pricing reasonable and respectful for my buyers comparing a similar item to one I hand make.

Attached are two photos that I think show the quirks on the screen used items well.

I know I'll never please everyone with a manufactured item. Everyone's fit is different, and so are their *must haves* and their *close enoughs* in terms of accuracy for items. They also need to jive with your other items for the costume.

But I am hoping that wall of texts helps folks make a decision - especially as I couldn't really post in all the forums/FB groups with how the development process went for these shirts. The lead time for a small operation like myself is long enough that folks with more resources can develop them faster.

That is also why I made some choices that made my offerings a bit unique - like the trousers being cotton, and their details and construction being VERY accurate to Raiders, but they are a bit slimmer and have a slightly higher crotch than others (took a lot of feedback Todds got in terms of the fit into account on these)

Anyhow, always feel free to discuss these details, tag me, critique, ask me questions! I do get a little overwhelmed at times with questions/inquiries when my plate is full, but I am always open to talking shop!

Thanks for shining light on the development process/choices. I appreciate the dedication to screen accuracy, I think overall you made a really great shirt! The community is lucky to have someone put so much effort into developing new Indy gear!

tomek9210 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 1:34 pm Perfect color for me

Thank you for the update

Indiana Croft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:13 am Tomek9210 :

Croft, what lightning did you use in your photos? Pants look super light in color.

The picture was taken out on my deck with cloud cover, they are a little darker than the picture.

The below pictures also taken under cloud cover, hey it was January 1st and it was 50deg. out, took some shots while I could.

Now my good sir Karolian, the shirt is awesome and none of my comments were not meant to be hurtful, but I belive you know that.
Yes the sleeves are snug, as is the cuff.
The button are the right color, if you can't source smaller, could the Mfg. make the hole a little larger

The pants, other than having to be re-hemmed, just to long, but I figured I would have to, this is why I mentioned that you
should send them un-hemmed (maybe as an option). But this was the first time I wore them any length of time, these are
very comfortable pant, very comfortable.
If the grey are the same material, I just might have to buy a pair as well.
My Todds Calvry Twill are nice, they are the pants, but for some reason when I wear them to work, they fell very
different, like not the kind of pants you wear to work.
Yours are perfect for every day wear. And like them.

Here's some shot out the ol rock pile.




Shot of the rear pocket. Canyon, be nice.




Croft