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All along 2019 we located and we’ve been collecting info about 3 surviving screen-used Raiders jackets

Here is the information we got on the Raiders jackets.

This is a summary of the jackets we know that still exists.
Not assumptions. At least this 3 jackets exists.


ORIGINAL RAIDERS JACKETS

ORIGINAL LEATHER:
Lambskin.
Color: Chocolate color. (just to give it a name)
Undertone: light brown, slightly reddish (very subtle)
Thickness: 0.8/1.0 mm (not as thin as previously thought)
Texture: some ribbiness here and there. Very light grain spots. Mostly smooth.


SUMMARY

(the name we assign to each one is our own idea, just for identification purposes. Not mentioned by our sources.)

1) BANTU WIND jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back on location in La Rochelle docks.
Later used as stunt jacket by Terry Leonard (under the truck)
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of LUCASFILM archives


2) JOCK PLANE jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back on location in Hawaii, in the jump into the river take.
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of LUCASFILM archives


3) TRUCK jacket
In the movie, on Harrison Ford's back in some of the truck chase scenes, from getting shot on left sleeve, to taking control on cabin's truck and escaping.
(NOT on stunts takes)
We have no confirmation if it can be seen in another scene.

In possession of a private collector



FEATURES / DESCRIPTION
SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES

1) BANTU WIND jacket
Many similarities with ToD patterns. Same construction details.
Pockets: Smaller dimensions for the front pockets. (we didn't got the exact measurements)
Yoke: Larger yoke. About 7".
Pleats: Action pleats closed at bottom, with small opening.
Zipper: YKK silver zipper (size not confirmed)
Buckles: no buckles
Lining: 100% brown polyester
Condition: heavily distressed on back and front. Also important distress present on sleeves. Hole (ripped) on upper left sleeve.
No label


2) JOCK PLANE jacket
Pockets: Raiders sized pockets. Approximately 20 cm height x 16.5 cm wide. (due to the condition of the jacket, is very difficult to measure exactly)
Yoke: Small Raiders yoke. About 4.75".
Pleats: Full action pleats, at bottom are open up to strap level.
Zipper: YKK silver zipper, n°5 size.
Buckles: black rectangular 2-prongs buckles. BRITISH inscription.
Lining: 100% brown polyester
Condition: very distorted, completely deformed throughout its whole structure. Shrunken effect on leather by water saturation also increased the grain making it more prominent. Jacket is lighter in color (discolored), with stains all over the surface.
No label


3) TRUCK jacket
Pockets: Raiders sized pockets. Approximately 20 cm height x 16.5 cm wide.
Yoke: Small Raiders yoke. About 4.75".
Pleats: Full action pleats, at bottom are open up to strap level.
Zipper: YKK silver zipper, n°5 size.
Buckles: black rectangular 2-prongs buckles. BRITISH inscription.
Lining: 100% brown polyester
Condition: very well preserved. Relatively heavy distressed in front and abdomen area, also on the back of the sleeves (elbow and forearm). Hole (ripped) on upper left sleeve.
No label

RAIDERS JACKETS:

This is a deeper analysis we did on some of the jackets we could positive identify:

* TRUCK jacket (mainly seen in Truck chase, from shoot in the arm to "parking" at Omar's)
* HOVITO temple entrance
* MAIN HERO (inside Hovito temple, Raven bar, Well of Souls, Flying wing fight...)
* IMAM's house


All this jackets, we can see in the movie, share the same pattern and leather.
Were cut to be exactly identical to each other.

The leather for every of this jackets is the same.
Lambskin.
Some lamb and sheep breeds have the particular "ribs" marks on the skin surface.
However, this marks were very subtle, among the whole batch.

Now, we are talking about the same leather batch.
Same animal type. Same color. Same thickness. Same tannery process.
BUT, some skins have a more pronounced "ribby" texture than others.
Because no animal is exactly identical to the other (no clone sheeps here...LOL)

For some of the jacket's parts, the skins used had a bit more of "ribbyness" present. There lies the differences we see.
When Peter was making the jackets for RAIDERS, most probably the skins for each one were radomly choosen, among the whole batch.
Also, the construction differences comes from one machinist to another, putting together and assembling the jackets with different techniques.

We've learned this by making the jackets.


Cheers.-

LostRaider25 wrote:Finally finished my review on the Cazadora 36: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXmZla1cJU

It's quite long since I noticed there aren't much videos online showcasing the Steele & Jones jackets in depth. Wanted it to be a guide as well for those who are thinking of buying a raiders jacket, or for those who are interested in a Cazadora jacket but want to know more about it.

I have to thank everyone here in the forum as well, all the details you share made it possible to craft this video.
I hope this helps those who want to know more about the Cazadora 36!

LostRaider25 wrote:Glad that it was able to help you decide to pull the trigger on the jacket. Holding it up close and wearing it will make you feel better and confident. I haven't ordered a fedora (yet) but I've only heard awesome things about it. Oh and also, welcome aboard This entire forum is a gold mine of information.

LostRaider25 wrote:Here's an in depth breakdown from Diego regarding the Raiders Jackets from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70765&p=923644&hili ... is#p923644

Will put it down here since it's also related to this thread:

Diego states:

All along 2019 we located and we’ve been collecting info about 3 surviving screen-used Raiders jackets

Here is the information we got on the Raiders jackets.


Definitely a lot of gold information here

Texan Scott wrote:

LostRaider25 wrote:Here's an in depth breakdown from Diego regarding the Raiders Jackets from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70765&p=923644&hili ... is#p923644

Will put it down here since it's also related to this thread:

Diego states:

All along 2019 we located and we’ve been collecting info about 3 surviving screen-used Raiders jackets

Here is the information we got on the Raiders jackets.


Definitely a lot of gold information here

...he just makes it up as he goes...

tubasthebest wrote:Interesting to hear they are offering cowhide again. They were not when I placed my order.

Indiana Croft wrote: Diego’s work is spot on, what surprises me is this is just a part time job for him.

Indiana Croft wrote:your going to find your self driving or standing there and you’ll glance down at your arm and you’ll just say to your dang that looks awesome.

Croft

Indiana Croft wrote:Diego I’m so happy to hear that. I must have missed it.
You two are a force to reckon with.

Keep up the great work and look forward to more awesome pictures of the two of you work/art.

And you are always welcome, my words are from the heart (awwwww) you make a beautiful jacket.
Now if you can only start working with beaver felt.

Croft

indymassilia wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 6:03 am Cazadora 35 in size 42 with the cowhide leather thickness 1,2mm,chocolate brown with light distressing,great jacket from Diego !

Mike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:58 am Well, I wanted to give it a few days (and was away for some) to let it sink in and not let my initial feelings sway any review, but 2 days before my birthday, I got what is now my favorite Indy jacket!

Having sold a comic that is worth a ridiculous amount of money now, I was able to do a little shopping and decided that since my Nowak Raiders jacket's arms have always been a bit thin, I'd go with a S&J jacket after reading through all the glowing reviews here. I will say Diego held up to those reviews.

Originally thinking about the latest Truck Chase offering, midway through my order, Diego informed me that they has sourced a new French leather that would work great for the Main Hero jacket. Cost would be a bit more since fees for the leather were higher, but as I had enough comic funds, I decided to do the upgrade. SO glad I did!!

I ordered the CAZADORA '36 -RAIDERS, Leather: "NEW Chocolate Ribby Lambskin", MAIN HERO jacket. I also went with the polyester lining as I like how my Nowak slides off my shoulders the way Indy's does.

First impressions, this jacket is LIGHT! I'm sure its the lightest leather jacket I've owned. Almost to the point where I had a passing worry about durability but I'm not overly hard on my jackets. LOVE the leather sourced it has the chocolate color with light brown/slightly red undertones that look perfect. The ribby texture is there, but not overly exaggerated in all the right places. I asked for slight distressing (sorry Michaelson) as I didn't want to go too far with it and wanted to allow natural distressing to occur. I think it turned out perfect. The only part I may question is sleeve length. They may be a hair long, but I think once they crunch up a bit, they'll be fine.

Only had time for a quick pic before leaving for this past weekend's hockey tournament.

Empty Set wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:40 pm Hello, COW! - Seeking some advice on fit.

I had been spec'ing out a S&J when I saw this (mostly) new '36 bouncing around eBay. (Here as well, I think.). I thought the shoulders, sleeves, and back might be too long, and the chest too snug (a 40, and I'm ~41) but I wanted to get my hands on the thin horsehide so I rolled the dice. I figured, worse case, I can pass it on, and in the process decide on the horse.

But I think I can make this work. The sleeves are indeed comically long on me, but I have them folded in for these pictures and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Chest, I think is good. Are the shoulders and back pushing it, though? This is more for daily wear than cosplay. Pants are mid-rise jeans.

More photos here:

https://imgur.com/gallery/iHimYGP


S&J Cazadora 36 Zipped.jpg

Apologies for the background; we're finishing the attic, so all that junk is in my office.

Empty Set wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:48 am Thank you all for all the feedback! I've never worn an Indy jacket and I was obsessing over tiny details, like how far before the belt the back rests. Etc.

The sleeves are probably 2" longer than they appear, they're just tucked into the cuff. Totally manageable as is or I can get them fixed later.

The lighting makes it look darker; here it is against a truly black jacket I've had since 92 or so.


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As for the jacket itself, the horsehide is exactly what I wanted. Not as drapey as my (lamb?) blazer but much lighter than the brutally heavy cow jacket in this picture. Very nice.

It also has light weathering. I never would've ordered a new jacket for myself with any weathering, but this one has it (very light) and I am really impressed by the art of it. Very naturally and authentically done. From this point on, it'll have my own natural battle scars.

After I bought it, I pummeled s&j with questions, and they were extremely accommodating. Great service, considering I didn't buy it new.

The only finish issue is a scrunch in the leather near the zipper, probably from the facing (this jacket has facing); it's minor and adds character.

Very happy that this jacket bounced around long enough to land on me.