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Re: Nyon vs. Leather My New Perspective

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thefish wrote: With nylon, you can skip all that fiddly "Cutting/Beveling" business, but you've STILL got to weight it properly, and as I've pointed out with the several dozen paragraphs above, with nylon, that's more an intuitive "felt" skill than an exact science. Nylon inherently doesn't have those properties that leather does to create a "Live Weight" whip. That whole process has to be manufactured by the maker.

*snip*

What the above is meant to say is that yes, it takes less training, talent skill and experience to make a nylon whip than it does to make a leather one. BUT it takes JUST AS MUCH training, talent, skill, and experience to make a GOOD nylon whip.
I'd like to expand on this a little...
Nylon also forces you to learn skills a little differently - with leather you could potentially learn to cut and skive your strands, then use a 4 strand braid to make a perfectly serviceable whip.
Not having the option to taper strands means you have to learn to braid with higher numbers of strands pretty quick if you're using nylon, as well as how to drop them neatly without a noticable step in the whip diameter.

Ideally, the result'll be the same regardless of if you're using leather or nylon, but I think the challenges that crop up are a bit different for each material - I've spoken to a fair few people who don't appreciate that there's also a lot of skill that goes into a good nylon whip because they assume the processes involved are exactly the same as making one from leather.
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Post by jabahutt70 »

Lauren, thanks so much for the compliments! It means a lot to me when another whipmaker gives kind remarks about a whip I've made, especially one of yours & Paul's caliber. Tell him I said thank you, too, :) .

I think that if the fall knot looks a bit large, it's due to the nylon material itself, as it's a bit bulkier than roo, & that the width of each nylon strand is basically the same throughout the whip's length. With leather, you can obviously taper the width of the strands & make a smoother, more streamlined looking knot. That's one of the trade-offs with nylon. The fall itself on Dan's whip matched the weight of the whip well, & I should add was cut by Joe Strain. I love the way Joe cuts falls & the whitehide matched the whip well in looks & performance.

Don't worry about the specs, I take notes religiously, in almost everything I do :roll: . But really, it's in with the note cards. I spoke with Chris Camp earlier today on the phone...thanks again Chris for the kind words also...on his way to a gig somewhere in Kansas I think. He said you guys had a lot of fun out at Annie Oakley, and by the pics & video clip that Paul took, I'm sure it was a good time. I hope to one day get out there, too.

Steve.
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Post by Shagbd »

......dear God...... i fell asleep about halfway thru Fish's story about dead people and Live dead people and arms and extensions of his arms and.........

well anyway..... he musta said enough words to convince me......

..... I look forward to my whip from you Steve, as well!
Expect a thorough review......albeit it a bit briefer, more picture filled review with less talk about live and dead arms.... :D


(PS: Im completely kidding about TheFish, I actually read his whole post and completely GET what he's saying. The same thing applies with any type of tool like that. I can really relate it to my swordwork as well..... of course i have to pick on him, or my day wouldnt be complete)
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Post by Magno »

Personally I was very excited when I started hearing about nylon whips a while back.

Nylon had the potential to be the whip of the future - a new, strong material that is resilient to rotting.

I have always been the kind of person who seeks out alternatives to the mainstream, whether it be in cars, clothing, or software (Linux). That's just an example - I don't actually use Linux, but those are the types of things that I like looking for. Alternatives that aren't really better necessarily, but are a good thing to have just for the sake of it.

I do not think of leather as superior to nylon, nor nylon superior to leather. I prefer nylon over leather for the utility of it, and because it makes a nice alternative in the chance that I am not in the mood for leather on a given day.

On another note, this is my opinion on the nature of the debate. For the leatherheads - do not be afraid of change, and do not look down your noses at the nylon fans. Having an elitist attitude about it would be stupid.
They are still whips, and still whip enthusiasts. Ruling them out by the type of material they prefer in a tool is judgemental.
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