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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:55 pm
by Indiana G
jasonalun wrote:
if you believe they are, then i will leave it at that. our opinions differ, and that is okay with me :)
No problem! 8) It's good when people can disagree amicably.
now them's fighting words..........mods, you better lock this thread down now cuz me and jason are gonna rumble!!!!!! :twisted:





:lol: ......just kidding......happy holidays my friend! :)

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:59 pm
by conceited_ape
Okay, okay. ToD hat pics as promised.

First off, I should mention that this hat was one of the LAST Fed IIIs sold this year (March) and that, although nine months old, has ONLY been worn for costume purposes and has never weathered ANY sort of elements, be it rain, hail or extreme heat, and was bashed straight out of the box.

Basically, I never wear this hat.

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In retrospect I suppose that the two photos (above) are where the similarities end to the suspension bridge hat unfortunately. As you all well know, the fedora continuity for Temple of Doom was ABSOLUTELY woeful - especially in the whole final bridge/cliff act.

Having said that, I created a kind of 'Temple-Best-Of' hat and took some of the characteristics of other hats from other scenes through the film that I liked, for example:

I always liked how the center dent channeled off to the left slightly, as per these comparison shots. (My hat's obviously on the left)
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Also, particularly in the Mayapore scenes and when Indy approaches Pankot, I always liked how tall and straight-sided the crown was when viewed in profile:
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Another view.
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But getting back to the bridge hat I KNOW you're all talking about, with its huge frisbee brim and very shallow pinces, I give you the front view by comparison:
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At this stage I should point out that I pretty much HATE the hat I have just shown you all. (Those of you who DO fancy it, keep your eyes peeled at the Cairo Bazzar.)

The appeal of the Fed III for the rope bridge hat is that the brim was WIDER than with the current Fed IV and the crowns (I believe) were proportionately taller. Having said that, I ORIGINALLY bashed this hat (straight out of the box, mind you) to resemble this pic:
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And yet the crown still appears tapered, as per the first two photos I posted. I have since tweaked the hat every possible way to get it just right but to no personal satisfactory avail.
I then attempted the same thing later with a Fed IV with PERFECT results.

Now, my point is this: I strongly believe that at least MOST of the ToD hats were built on a Raiders block (or very similar), and that the only reason it appears tapered AT ALL in the film is due to the VERY deep centre dent fashioned into its design. A pristine Fed III out of the box has the required brim dimensions and crown height to hold a ToD bash but the block itself just wasn't right.

The Fed IV block IS. The only thing letting it down is that the new Feds have proportionately narrower brims and slightly shorter crowns, based on my observations of having owned a few of each make.

Hope all this helps. ;-)

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:06 am
by jasonalun
:lol: ......just kidding......happy holidays my friend! :)
lol: Hey, you too G. BTW, I love your hats. Keep up the good work!

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:12 am
by jasonalun
Now, my point is this: I strongly believe that at least MOST of the ToD hats were built on a Raiders block (or very similar), and that the only reason it appears tapered AT ALL in the film is due to the VERY deep centre dent fashioned into its design.
Hey! Just what I said! :) viewtopic.php?t=36606

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:37 am
by conceited_ape
If ToD hats weren't built on a Raiders block then they AT LEAST were built on a block similar or identical to the CS hat. I'm almost certain of this! I honestly attribute the slight taper seen in most of the screen hats to very deep centre dents. (I say 'slight' because many like to aggrandize the actual state of the ToD hat's crown, just as some Raiders fans seemingly aren't satisfied unless their hat looks mushroom-y)
Just don't ask me to speculate on the Tri-Motor hat. I mean I know Kate crushed the rear bash slightly when she ripped it off Harrison's head but I still kinda think someone ran that hat through the wash. :lol:

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:43 am
by maboot38
Ape, I REALLY like how that turned out!

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:48 am
by conceited_ape
Thanks, mate.

I did my best but I truly believe that the perfect suspension bridge hat lies in a Fed IV's block and a Fed III's crown height and brim dimensions.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:58 am
by Indiana G
i love that center crease ape....nice work! :)

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:15 am
by conceited_ape
Indiana G wrote:i love that center crease ape....nice work! :)
Thank you! It's always struck me as odd and idiosyncratic, and it pops up at various points in the film so I simply HAD to try to duplicate it. To me it's one of the coolest quirks in the ToD hat(s).