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I agree.

But before we can do that we have to create that ultimate specs list and a sticky can really help doing that (instead of browsing through 1001 threads).

True.

IMO it can save him an awful lot of reading and answering time.

There is really no much browsing needed Rom. Just some common sense on the already known list.

Aeris_Canon wrote: Yes, Erri. That's pretty much why I worded it this way:

Peter, if you received a list of a majority vote on certain default specs would you consider making those the default on the jackets?

My apologies Aeris, I read too fast.

Rom Hunter wrote:Perhaps the administrator is willing to make a sticky of the 'ultimate' ROTLA SA specs list?

Here's mine (based on a size 40):
- Authentic Brown lambskin
- 80’s fit (919 pattern)
- Cotton silesia lining (body, pockets and sleeves)
- 5 gauge aluminium zipper extending all the way to the bottom of the jacket
- No leather facing on the zipper
- Storm flap 1.5 inches wide with rounded top corner
- Leather collar stand
- Standard collar that goes halfway the zipper and the storm flap
- Pockets 7 x 6.5 inches with scalloped pocket flaps
- Side strap length 8.75 inches, width 1 inch, sewn with X-box pattern, double stitched.
- Two piece black rectangular buckles
- Pleat depth 1.25 inches
- No side vent stitch
- Yoke seam 1 inch higher than arm seam
- Back panel should extend all the way out to the sleeve seam
- One inside "piped" pocket (slit/less leather) on the left side only
- 1 piece (small) underarm gussets (optional)
Feel free to add and/or correct.

I don't feel like suggesting anything but making things clearer is needed.
example:

One inside "piped" pocket (slit/less leather) on the left side only

can be just explained with "inside piped pocket" it's obvious that it's one (because 2 pockets are only on request) and Peter KNOWS what a piped pocket is.

That list there has still some bad seeds of the (in)famous overdetailed list but I agree that perhaps a reasonable list of details to set as standard is possible (we should ask Peter first, as Aeris matter-of-factly said)
I believe the list won't even be too long once we leave out details that are on customer's choice (leather, colour etc)

Also remember that the roltaa is 90% of that list already.

Yes, but the missing 10% is forcing me not to buy it.

BTW: that one has two inside piped pockets.


Good points, Erri.

Well, I think leather and colour are important for a SA version.

nice jacket erri.......man your gear looks great!

i'm glad to see another wested success story.

it looks like they've been pumping out some great products as of late.

Kt Templar wrote:Also remember that the roltaa is 90% of that list already.

You mean the special Rotla?

Rom Hunter wrote: Well, I think leather and colour are important for a SA version.

Yes but it is something that undoubtly has to be kept as a choice. You can't force people to have lamb-authentic brown as standard when you order a raiders jacket...don't you think?

Indiana G wrote:nice jacket erri.......man your gear looks great!

Thank you G. It is indeed another piece of gear to add to my pride list

Erri wrote:Yes but it is something that undoubtly has to be kept as a choice. You can't force people to have lamb-authentic brown as standard when you order a raiders jacket...don't you think?

Of course, but for the ultimate SA ROTLA specs list Authentic Brown lambskin is the one to list.

Is there anything else worth adding to the list above?

We were discussing about a standard to suggest to Peter, Rom.
If you want a jacket like mine, take my specs and change the size to your frame.

You're right, Erri.

I'm mixing up two different things here.

Ok, apart from the aluminium zipper, are there any other specs on the list that will most probably not be accepted as standard?

Rom Hunter wrote:Yes, but the missing 10% is forcing me not to buy it.

BTW: that one has two inside piped pockets.


Good points, Erri.

Well, I think leather and colour are important for a SA version.

Two 'inside' pockets is by the by. You never see the single one on screen.

Well, when Indy pushes the statue you don't see a pocket on the right side and when he does the idol - sandbag swap you can clearly see a pocket on the left side.

Rom Hunter wrote:Well, when Indy pushes the statue you don't see a pocket on the right side and when he does the idol - sandbag swap you can clearly see a pocket on the left side.

LOL, (conceeds a point - however, it really doesn't matter to me). If you really want to get into minutiae you start wanting snaps to be silver and a particular brand. That way lies... failure.

True.

But I think one pocket less or more is worth mentioning though.


Well, let's hope Peter will accept such a list for the standard Raiders jacket.

Looks good. It took ten years, but that looks good none the less. Congratulations. Cheers

Congratulations Erri!! Your jacket looks great. very solid looking.

Cheers!

Dan

Thank you Daniel and thank you... gorilla

Hey Erri,

sorry for replying so late to your jacket post. I'm lazy as allways
I think that the jacket fits you absolutly perfect and that you look great in it! Although I don't like the lambskin very much since it is too soft for my needs, it actually looks like a good adventurer jacket. I think you should prove it and make an adventure to Austria

Anyhow, nice to see you satisfyed with a new jacket. Seems that you had more luck with wested than I had

Hi Daniel, nice to hear from you. I am indeed very satisfied with this jacket. I couldn't have expected better!
I hope to head to Austria soon enough. This jacket is screaming for adventures!

Late late entry to the thread, do we know if Wested ever took this info on board to the ROTLA jacket, how much of the list do I need to bring with me?

Erich

this is dragging back an old thread with a question that wested can easily answer to. just one phone call is needed. yes they keep the agent5 specs. they have that for YEARS. but you need to do alittle homework yourself. read the threads. use the search. measure yourself to get a good fit. etc


there is nothng more to add to this thread. its dead. let it rest. Erri still has an awesome jacket.

Thank you Holt, I really appreciate it

figured this was the place to ask, as it was these guys who corrected Wested and not the other way around, and yes the jacket is awesome, even more the reason to ask here

edit: hate saying the same word twice in a sentence

well then you should ask agent5 as he is the father of the 'agent5' SA raiders specs.

I know your reading and searching but this was just something I had to put my mind on. no offence to you personally of course.

tis all good, already reading threads i found searching for 'agent5 spec'

I'll bug him after reading what i find ...

e

Remember what I've always said, don't just email Peter an exact copy the Agent5 list. A lot of info on that list is now outdated or superfluous, partly because Peter introduced a few of those details as standard now and partly becausesome details of that list are just too crazy (such as the millimetrical placement of pockets).
Best thing to do is to skim details that are unnecessary. A picture of what you want to obtain is also VERY helpful. Peter is a very skilled professional, if you show him a good reference picture with a couple of measurements next to it, it's more than likely that you will get what you asked for.

To be more clear:

• POCKETS: 6"x7"
Pocket flap shape and side strap position:

as opposite to

9. Right Pocket- 1.5 inches (3.8cm) from the zipper seam (edge of jacket).
2 inches (5.1cm) from bottom.
Width of pocket: 6.25 inches (16cm).
Length of pocket (including pocket flap) :7.5 inches. (19.1cm).
Scalloped pocket flap.
Pocket flap length in middle of flap, 2.75" (7cm)
Aluminum or nickel snap.

10. Left Pocket- 1 inch (2.5cm) from storm flap.
2 inches (5.1cm) from bottom.
Width of pocket: 6.25 inches (16cm).
Length of pocket(including pocket flap) :7.5 inches. (19.1cm).
Scalloped pocket flap.
Pocket flap length in middle of flap, 2.75" (7cm)
Aluminum or nickel snap.

Don't drive Peter crazy for such minutiae unless you really need to have those detailed specification. It's much more probable to get imediate results with my method... I didn't have to order 3-4 jackets before getting the pockets right.

if I can add a detail that I will never order again is TAPERED SLEEVES. Avoild tapered sleeves as they often tend to be too tight and not necessarily screen accurate.

Erri wrote:if I can add a detail that I will never order again is TAPERED SLEEVES. Avoild tapered sleeves as they often tend to be too tight and not necessarily screen accurate.

Oh I think you do want the sleeves tapered. It just depends on how much

Erri wrote:if I can add a detail that I will never order again is TAPERED SLEEVES. Avoild tapered sleeves as they often tend to be too tight and not necessarily screen accurate.

I wonder if there isn't a way to more define how much tapering you need. For instance, on my Wested HH, the sleeves are like barrels. I would have wanted a more tapered sleeve had I known this, but you definitely don't want too much taper as you describe.

I think it all depends on the size of the jacket.

if Im not mistaking Erris jacket is a 38. tapered sleeves on a small jacket like this would make the sleeves thighter then tapered sleeves on a 42 and up.

Indiana Holt wrote:I think it all depends on the size of the jacket.

if Im not mistaking Erris jacket is a 38. tapered sleeves on a small jacket like this would make the sleeves thighter then tapered sleeves on a 42 and up.

Good point. I'm a husky 48-50 so I could have used a little more tapering. I can get two of my arms in there.

Indiana Holt wrote:I think it all depends on the size of the jacket.

if Im not mistaking Erris jacket is a 38. tapered sleeves on a small jacket like this would make the sleeves thighter then tapered sleeves on a 42 and up.

Well the shoulder hole should be a certain diameter as the cuff end should be a certain diameter.
A jacket maker or tailor should be able to make tapered sleeves that are correct regardless of jacket size.

RCSignals wrote:
Well the shoulder hole should be a certain diameter as the cuff end should be a certain diameter.
A jacket maker or tailor should be able to make tapered sleeves that are correct regardless of jacket size.

Simply untrue.

Wrist diameter as well as bicep diameter can vary greatly from person to person. You can have a big bicep/chest and need a large shoulder hole and still need a slim wrist diameter, as some weight training people will attest. You can train till you are blue in the face but it makes very little difference to your wrist circumference. Additionally, your genetic background will give you different bone structure. Someone from Asian decent will possibly have slimmer wrist than someone from Nordic decent. Fedora has noted the differences in head shapes in this respect from his experiences.

Should they take a bicep diameter and a wrist diameter, possibly. Possibly not. I'm sure if he charged more he could take many more measurements into account. I've suggested before that he do a £500 bespoke jacket.

They work on an average size, Erri asked for a tapered sleeve, turns out that for him the average sleeve would have probably been correct. I think he could have given a cuff flat across measure taken from a sleeve he liked.

Personally I find the Wested Raiders and LC sleeve to be a little wide, so I had those tapered. The ToD jacket I got didn't need the sleeve tapered at all... but perhaps he knows me well enough to taper it from the get go. I think I noted before that I found the Coyles sleeves to be way too tapered for me, they felt sprayed on. But others have loved them.

I have a major issue with the cuff diameter on pants, having stubby legs. My waist to inseam ratio throws everything out of wack. I'd probably need to have a 28" waist to get leg diameters that were anything like appropriate, unfortunately I don't! The only way to get pants that even remotely fit for me is to get bespoke. That is why I still don't have any wool pants, if I'm going to go the bespoke route they cost mega bucks in wool, and I wouldn't get the use out of them because of the dry cleaning bill!

Kt Templar wrote:Erri asked for a tapered sleeve,

I should have requested "SLIGHTLY tapered sleeves" because I got heavily tapered sleeves. They are fine with a shirt but I can't wear anything thicker than that under.
The same happened with my first jacket which had wrong length of the sleeves so it was sent back. When it returned with new sleeves (I later on realized how lucky I was to receive new sleeves of the same colour of the jacket) they were much more comfortable because there was no taper.
I already have skeletric arms and a size 38, for me taper is an option I won't consider anymore.

Kt Templar wrote:

RCSignals wrote:
Well the shoulder hole should be a certain diameter as the cuff end should be a certain diameter.
A jacket maker or tailor should be able to make tapered sleeves that are correct regardless of jacket size.

Simply untrue.

Wrist diameter as well as bicep diameter can vary greatly from person to person. You can have a big bicep/chest and need a large shoulder hole and still need a slim wrist diameter, as some weight training people will attest. You can train till you are blue in the face but it makes very little difference to your wrist circumference. Additionally, your genetic background will give you different bone structure. Someone from Asian decent will possibly have slimmer wrist than someone from Nordic decent. Fedora has noted the differences in head shapes in this respect from his experiences.

Should they take a bicep diameter and a wrist diameter, possibly. Possibly not. I'm sure if he charged more he could take many more measurements into account. I've suggested before that he do a £500 bespoke jacket.

They work on an average size, Erri asked for a tapered sleeve, turns out that for him the average sleeve would have probably been correct. I think he could have given a cuff flat across measure taken from a sleeve he liked.

Personally I find the Wested Raiders and LC sleeve to be a little wide, so I had those tapered. The ToD jacket I got didn't need the sleeve tapered at all... but perhaps he knows me well enough to taper it from the get go. I think I noted before that I found the Coyles sleeves to be way too tapered for me, they felt sprayed on. But others have loved them.

I have a major issue with the cuff diameter on pants, having stubby legs. My waist to inseam ratio throws everything out of wack. I'd probably need to have a 28" waist to get leg diameters that were anything like appropriate, unfortunately I don't! The only way to get pants that even remotely fit for me is to get bespoke. That is why I still don't have any wool pants, if I'm going to go the bespoke route they cost mega bucks in wool, and I wouldn't get the use out of them because of the dry cleaning bill!

So you agree with what I posted.

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Erri, I just wanted to tell you what a beautiful picture this is, just a terrific scene and you look particularly good in it. Where was it taken?

Tibor wrote:
Erri, I just wanted to tell you what a beautiful picture this is, just a terrific scene and you look particularly good in it. Where was it taken?

and if I can add something, your hat seems to be VERY small in this picture. maybe it's due the way it is tilted back.

are those pockets functional? I think I prefer those smaller pockets to the standard ones, but I wonder if they are of any use

Tibor, the picture was taken in Loch Ness (Scotland)
You'll find great pictures here viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27792 (check out how great is the jacket in those)
and here from another of my trips to Scotland viewtopic.php?f=11&t=34266

Restless Dreamer, the hat was tilted back a lot but it's also smaller than the usual Adventurebuilts. It's a true 5.5". Suits my face better and it's more screen accurate than its taller relatives (ABs used to come as tall as 6").
This is the same hat from the same day

It fits you very well!!!

Kyle

Great pics!

Thank you guys, I really appreciate it