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Castor:
What kind of leather is this?
Canada

Oh my gosh! You're really on top of this!!! I think that's the first replica anything from Indy IV!! What color is that though? It looks like a light brick color.

I have to say though, it looks pretty dang close to me. Great job to you AND Wested.

In Christ,
Shane

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Jaredraptor, I think binkmeisterrick's post was actually referring to the first sentence in the thread, and not directed at you

What's a 'press stud'? Could it be what we call a 'snap'?

191145 wrote:

Castor Dioscuri wrote:Jaredraptor, I think binkmeisterrick's post was actually referring to the first sentence in the thread, and not directed at you

What's a 'press stud'? Could it be what we call a 'snap'?

A press stud are the circular 'studs' (for lack of a better word) on the top and bottom of the LC jacket near the zipper. I suppose a 'snap' would be a good way to describe it, as that's exactly what they do.

Michaelson wrote:CD, so, do you want your other post announcing the same thing removed and/or locked? No reason to have two 'announcements' of your jacket.

Regards! Michaelson

Hi Michaelson, I posted the 'Castor Dioscuri IV' jacket thread to simply show off my fourth Wested jacket order, and hence the title was in reference to that. (It may also be seen as a pun since the jacket is also my take on the Indy IV jacket, but that thread was created more to celebrate and show off my fourth Wested)

The reason I posted an announcement in this thread was because this thread was dedicated to the Indy IV jackets, more specifically the publicity video for Indy IV. And as my jacket was based on those photos, it seemed fitting to announce the first replica based on those photos here.

Canada Jones wrote:Castor:
What kind of leather is this?
Canada

The leather is Wested's latest addition: Vegetable Tanned Leather. The only other CoW member that I'm aware of that possesses a jacket with this type of leather is Indiana G btw. More on the leather here:
viewtopic.php?t=22452

IndyMcFly wrote: Oh my gosh! You're really on top of this!!! I think that's the first replica anything from Indy IV!! What color is that though? It looks like a light brick color.

I have to say though, it looks pretty dang close to me. Great job to you AND Wested.

In Christ,
Shane

Thank you! Somebody had to do it, and since I was getting another Wested, I figured what the heck... Might as well get a space in that CoW hall of fame, eh?

The color on this leather though is perhaps the only downside here. It is more of a reddish clay color than anything. But other than that, Wested came through on this one!

I just have to say that this time around it's nice to have folks on board that ensure notes are being taken and everything recorded.

We've been burned one too many times that I feel this IJ4's costume will be the easiest to obtain from a SA perspective.

God bless the internets.

_ wrote:

Castor Dioscuri wrote:...are we then to take it that this jacket is the same as in LC?

No. There were significant modifications to some details and the basic underlying jacket pattern was created from scratch, though based on a non-Wested jacket procured from the LucasFilms archives. The jacket from the archives was actually one they procured from Lee Kepler in 1987. When production kicked-off for LC, Lee was contacted about supplying jackets. He deferred, and actually sent Anthony Powell's team to Peter Botwright. The jacket Peter was then making was based on their copying the Jacket Lee Kepler had contracted the people at Flight Suits to make for him to sell through his adds in "Soldier of Fortune"...

What was referred to out here by a certain vendor as "an early LC prototype" was in fact just that - but it was made by Flight Suits in 1987 to Lee Kepler's specifications. That is the jacket that was given to the final jacket maker for IJ4. He reverse engineered the pattern, made specific modifications to Bernie's needs, and the final jacket's were made. Patterns exist for the final jacket you see. The maker has assured me that the jackets will be accurate to what you see. Bernie hopes the guy sells a lot of them, and when a green light is given the maker's name will be released. Given we can talk about Adventurebilt, I expect this will be any day now...

Every single detail above has been confirmed with people both at LucasFilms as well as Tony Powell and his team on LC, as well as with members of the current production team...

That quote was taken a little of context. I was speaking in terms of 'movie logic', which I expanded on a post after I posted the above.

Canada Jones wrote:Castor:
What kind of leather is this?
Canada

The leather is Wested's latest addition: Vegetable Tanned Leather. The only other CoW member that I'm aware of that possesses a jacket with this type of leather is Indiana G btw. More on the leather here:
viewtopic.php?t=22452

Thanks Castor. The link was helpful.
Canada

So the Indy IV jacket is a copy of a copy of a Wested then.

SD

This jacket of ours - from any of the movies - is not a Wested design/creation, or a Leather Concessionaires design/creation, or a Peter Botwright design/creation... They copied different jackets at different times that somebody else had already made.

What do you mean by ours? It belongs to Indygear or you personally?

PETER wrote:What do you mean by ours? It belongs to Indygear or you personally?

I believe he means that the Indy jacket, its image, and what it represents, "belongs to the fans." Like referring to a sports team as "our team."

At least...that's how I took it when I read his post.

Well, _, I know you're going to write it up well. I really appreaciate the serious research and striving for accuracy that you have so clearly laboured over. I hope there are some surprises - they make this hobby more fun and they are part of the magic that is movie making.

Cheers - CM

_,

Thanks for taking the time to undertake this endeavor. This will make for a very enjoyable read. Been a LONG time since we communicated - hope you are doing well in IN.

junior

_ wrote:J One little example of something like this explained the Noel Howard jacket - turns out it filled in a gap on the costume design side that had long existed regarding a "missing jacket from Temple of Doom."

_ - 2 questions - could you expand on Noel Howard and the missing jacket from Temple of Doom? Also, your avatar - what is this photo? Always wondered what you are leaning up against.
thanks for all your work here.
best
Canada

Looking forward to hearing the full story. You have done a good job of just laying several hints about the jacket that leave you with just enough information but not too much. The suspense is killing me...I can't wait to see what you got comin up for us. Thanks _!!

When asked if they were aware of the jacket Noel Howard had in his possession, they explained that they were not aware that anybody in Monty Berman's employ taken one. Number 10...

_, does that mean you dropped Noel in it? And is that an Omega Seamaster I spy in your avatar?

Adios,

Satipo

_ wrote:

Canada Jones wrote: ...could you expand on Noel Howard and the missing jacket from Temple of Doom?

Sorry - missed this in my ramble above...

It is simple really - there were 10 jackets supplied to the wardrobe team. With the prevailing atmosphere of "we must license everything" they were keeping a little closer tab on things as compared to the days of Raiders. When production wrapped, only 8 jackets could be accounted for. One eventually surfaced that had made its clandestine way to a Planet Hollywood display. When asked if they were aware of the jacket Noel Howard had in his possession, they explained that they were not aware that anybody in Monty Berman's employ taken one. Number 10...

That is the funny thing about digging up the true story - things tend to line-up and loose ends tend to resolve themselves as opposed to creating even more loose ends... The exercise has been very satisfying...

Thanks _. Have you seen Noel Howards jacket and do you know who made it?
Canada

PM reply sent to Indiana G to help get this thread back on topic!

Adios,

Satipo

_ wrote:The FS jacket Lee used to sell was one he worked with them to develop based on Lee's interpretation of the Raider's jacket. The press stud was just something Lee asked them to add.

Is Lee Keppler then responsible for the LC and CS jackets having press studs?

Art imitating life imitating art?

SD

Could be.

Regards! Michaelson

It has the characteristic small pockets, shallow pleat, lower action-back slit, and characteristic lining of the Cooper.

What is the difference between Cooper and Wested lining? Newbie question.

Just to steer the conversation back on topic... sort of... I have followed Michaelson's advice and present to you further photos of my latest jacket; perhaps the first fan attempt (on Indygear, at least) to provide Wested with the Indy IV jacket specs!





And 2 more pics of closeups...
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167 ... ader/c.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167 ... ader/b.jpg

I know the color is not accurate, nor is the leather, but it was trying to get the specs right that was most important to me. Even though the original vendor of the Indy IV jacket may be soon announced, it wouldn't hurt to provide Wested fanatics with the specs for some variety.

Perhaps the main reason behind asking Wested to help out with getting a jacket made to my specs was that even though we may soon find the real vendor behind the Indy IV jacket, there still is something to be said about the name.

It would be like another thread in the Fedora forum, which asks if Adventurebilt wouldn't mind substituting the AB liner for a HJ... This would be along the same lines, except for me personally, I get quite a kick out of having a jacket made associated with the guy behind the Raider's jacket (regardless of to what extent ).

Also, as I'm not a big fan of cowhide, this vegetable tanned leather works great for me, as it's tanned in the old fashioned way that the original jackets were. It feels light and buttery, while having some heft to it at the same time.

All in all, of all the Indy jacket I've made so far, I think this one will be the one I will find myself wearing the most!

.......... 8-[ ..psssssssst. There is something on your face. Don't worry, no one will notice . Nice Jacket ! I like that color !

that looks great castor! i love the collar configuration!!!

what did you treat her with? it looks darker than what you got originally.

G

Thanks guys! Really appreciate the kind words!

And to Indiana G: Once again, we can successfully chalk this up to another example of how light affects color! So far, I haven't applied any Pecards (or anything at all for that matter) to the jacket, but I plan on doing so.

And to Indiana G: Once again, we can successfully chalk this up to another example of how light affects color! So far, I haven't applied any Pecards (or anything at all for that matter) to the jacket, but I plan on doing so.

nothing....nothing at all? i've caked my veg tanned lamb and now it has overtaken my year old alden 405's in darkness. sometimes i look at it and think....boy they nailed all my specs and i have veg tanned lamb just like the original.......other occassions i'm thinking....i wish she was as dark as the original

why am i never happy? i think the only way to get her darkened up more from here is either using mink oil & shoe polish (like the original) {G cringes} or dying it. i keep having these nightmares where i meet ford, lucas, and stevie and they're commenting...."nice gear.....why is your jacket not dark enough???" arrrrrrghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

_ wrote:Personally, I would not do anything except wear it. That is great looking leather. The tough part is usually getting a good fit through the shoulders - for me at least - and that jacket looks like it sits perfectly across your chest and shoulders.

Now we just need to get some meat on your bones! Oh no - I'm becoming my little Italian mother! Her answer to everything is "Have some more lasagna..."

Thanks _! The leather looks, and feels right to me somehow... Although the color may be a tad redder than what we're used to seeing, it completely feels the part, almost like having the softness of a lamb with the thickness of a cow (to some extent). I do agree that getting a good fit for the shoulders is a tough deal, but sending along a tailor's measurements never hurts! So far, believe you me, I've worn the heck out of it, weather permitting!

As for my bones, I'm all out of lasagna... But I still have a couple of monkey brains sitting in my fridge that I need to polish off...

Indiana G wrote: nothing....nothing at all? i've caked my veg tanned lamb and now it has overtaken my year old alden 405's in darkness. sometimes i look at it and think....boy they nailed all my specs and i have veg tanned lamb just like the original.......other occassions i'm thinking....i wish she was as dark as the original

why am i never happy? i think the only way to get her darkened up more from here is either using mink oil & shoe polish (like the original) {G cringes} or dying it. i keep having these nightmares where i meet ford, lucas, and stevie and they're commenting...."nice gear.....why is your jacket not dark enough???" arrrrrrghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

Indiana G, I'm not too sure what else to say, other than that You, sir, are in my book, a true gearhead! But any more obsessiveness out of you, and we'll have to call the men in white coats!

Pictures, G, Pictures! Throw your jacket into the colliseum so we can give you a thumbs up to clear your conscience!

The 'Costume Workshop' in Bethnal Green, London was formed by the former staff of MBA. Among this happy little band is a man called Lee.
Lee used to be the man who dealt with all your MBA orders re Indy items and in fact has just got me some authentic bag/belt buckles.
However before that he worked at Bermans on TOD. He has confirmed to me that Anthony Powell gave his TOD too Noel as a keepsake.
I did NOT make that jacket and have always said so, but Lee has always said I made some raiders which were longer.

Following the questions about whether or not my inquiries may have put NH in hot water, I followed with LF to clarify the point. Nobody is losing sleep over this jacket Noel has, though he may be asked just to confirm he does have it at some point. The way that info was relayed to me? Well, I'd bet a round of drinks at the QM that they will never bother. JMO...

That's good to hear. I'd hate to think any of our loyal vendors were being jeopardized by the fans' search for the truth.

Now it's finally official who the official jacket maker is!