Club Obi Wan

Thank you for the kind comments, gentlemen! It is a good feeling jacket. The sleeves are just a bit long on me, but I had a thin shirt on underneath the jacket, so maybe it'll do better with heavier clothing.

The weather is warming quickly in Arkansas, so I doubt if I'll wear it much again until fall. I really don't mind the pockets. The flaps are what I would call somewhat sculpted and I do like the handwarmer side entries.

The zipper, yes, should not be brass colored, but I can live with it. And I tend to like the slightly longer length. My other sz 42 lambskin was not only too tight in the shoulders, but I thought too short, too.

We shall see how it wears. I may apply some Peccards, but I'd hate to mottle it up. I may just try some spray-on waterproofer. If anyone can give me the name of a good one, thanks.

Otherwise, I'm pumped. I just wish it were October instead of March.. (Not really...)

Use Pecards leather lotion. It's water soluable, won't change the color once soaked in, and will conditon the lambskin for storage.

Regards! Michaelson

Thanks, sir. How would the Pecard's Leather Dressing work? I have that, but not the lotion.

Standard dressing will pretty much 'lay' on the surface and make the lambskin VERY tacky for a LONG time.

Not to say it can't be used. I've applied it to my lambskin G&B, and it eventually soaked in, but it took literally WEEKS to do so. Even using a warm hair dryer to liquify the excess and wiping it off, the jacket still remained tacky until the tackiness wore off.

The tight grain of lambskin just won't take in that much of the standard Pecards, so if you decide to apply that, use it sparingly. A VERY light application, and no more.

Regards! Michaelson

I ordered my TOD jacket with predistressed cowhide. Will the different type of leather yield a better result as far as a "distressed" appearance? Also, should I be pleased with these options?

Well, MY jacket finally arrived.

I have to say I agree with all points made by morsegist. Mine fits a LOT differently than my dark brown lambskin LC Wested, though. It's a bit snug around my shoulders, but I believe that's due to the higher arm holes, so I have to believe this is based more on the 80's fit....and yet it's a bit larger around the waistline (where I currently NEED it!) so that's a relief....but on someone with a normal waist line, I can see where this would be awfully loose. The sleeves are perfect for me...plenty long with a bit more to spare for ride up. No leather facing, reminicent of the original jackets we got from Wested in the mid 90's. Could that additional leather facing be the source of the infamous 'demon roll'? This jacket is not experiencing that.

It's a lot lighter, physically, than my dark brown lambskin, and the look and feel of this lambskin reminds me of a plastic type finish. This distressing is a coloration added to the tanning process, rather than an actual distressed leather that I'm used to seeing come from Wested. I like it, as I can see it will resist water a lot better than standard predistressed leathers do.

Mine has one inside zippered pocket, and one open. Is yours that way, morsegist? This is how I usually request Peter to do my pockets, so if not, Peter must have done this for me. Usually Wested jackets only have the one single open top pockets. If so, THANK you Peter! If not, nice addition! It has a nickle silver zip...once again, my favorite of the Wested zippers for screen accuracy and toughness all in the same product.

The side entry pockets are actually big enough to get MY hands in with no stretch or gapping. It has rectangular sliders, and generous length side straps. It's pouring the rain today, so I believe I'll give it a field test this morning to work.

All in all, I think it's a nice one. Its appearance is very pleasing to the eye. I even got a compliment from my wife, and she's seen me drag this stuff around the house for decades and usually never bats an eye. Now, I only get comments when I get a fedora that's a color other than brown, gear that is not the norm in terms of color, and this jacket!

Regards! Michaelson

hehe

What's to show? You see morsegist's photos. My jacket looks just like his.........and I don't have a camera. I could try to draw a stick man and smilie face.

HIGH regards! Michaelson

Resisting urge to paste Michaelson's head on morsegist's pics... ...oh, sure, it looks GOOD on you! (And I think you're a bit shorter now, too...hmm...)

Interesting finish...if you'd shown me that BEFORE you got me hooked on the Indy-style, I'd have loved it, but you guys ruined me when you pointed me at the authentic lamb.

So, how'd it fair w/ the rain this morning?

Congrats on a nice jacket!

Rain beaded right up on the jacket. Did great!

Regard! Michaelson

Regards, Michaelson! My interior pockets are both open, with no zipper. Mine was made in China, but is of fine quality. China, I must say is making very nice products these days, whether it's tools, violins, guitars or leather jackets, just about everything. When they get into the automobile business, it'll be all over.
Morse

They're already wowing those of us in the watch collecting hobby with their reproduction complicated pocket watches.

Regards! Michaelson

feel of this lambskin reminds me of a plastic type finish

Scary.

Oh, don't misunderstand. my comment. It's no different than the original dark brown English lambskin we USED to get from Peter back in the 80's and early 90's, so that was meant as a compliment.

Regards! Michaelson

Michaelson wrote:Well, MY jacket finally arrived.

I have to say I agree with all points made by morsegist. Mine fits a LOT differently than my dark brown lambskin LC Wested, though. It's a bit snug around my shoulders, but I believe that's due to the higher arm holes, so I have to believe this is based more on the 80's fit....and yet it's a bit larger around the waistline (where I currently NEED it!) so that's a relief....but on someone with a normal waist line, I can see where this would be awfully loose. The sleeves are perfect for me...plenty long with a bit more to spare for ride up. No leather facing, reminicent of the original jackets we got from Wested in the mid 90's. Could that additional leather facing be the source of the infamous 'demon roll'? This jacket is not experiencing that.

It's a lot lighter, physically, than my dark brown lambskin, and the look and feel of this lambskin reminds me of a plastic type finish. This distressing is a coloration added to the tanning process, rather than an actual distressed leather that I'm used to seeing come from Wested. I like it, as I can see it will resist water a lot better than standard predistressed leathers do.

Mine has one inside zippered pocket, and one open. Is yours that way, morsegist? This is how I usually request Peter to do my pockets, so if not, Peter must have done this for me. Usually Wested jackets only have the one single open top pockets. If so, THANK you Peter! If not, nice addition! It has a nickle silver zip...once again, my favorite of the Wested zippers for screen accuracy and toughness all in the same product.

The side entry pockets are actually big enough to get MY hands in with no stretch or gapping. It has rectangular sliders, and generous length side straps. It's pouring the rain today, so I believe I'll give it a field test this morning to work.

All in all, I think it's a nice one. Its appearance is very pleasing to the eye. I even got a compliment from my wife, and she's seen me drag this stuff around the house for decades and usually never bats an eye. Now, I only get comments when I get a fedora that's a color other than brown, gear that is not the norm in terms of color, and this jacket!

Regards! Michaelson

Just recieved my jacket today, and wasn't even expecting it until Tuesday!

Fortunately, the jacket fits almost exactly the same as my previous one, albeit with longer sleeves (and back panel), and sans bell-shaped flare waist. I'm pretty pleased, considering that this was an off-the-rack!

Like Michaelson's mine has a zippered and an open inside pocket, and even a custom name tag!

Michaelson's post pretty much describes my overall jacket, except I have to remark that the collar and pockets are the same size as my LC jacket. No complaints there though, since I've grown accustomed to that look anyways!

What I'd like to add though is that without leather facings, the jacket really feels comfortable, and drapes (and feels) like a cotton windbreaker! As noted, it really is remarkably more lighter (and softer) than my authentic lamb. Buttery is the perfect word I'd use!

However, I'm not too used to the color... I'd call it a dusty, spotty look... Almost like the jacket was used to mop up sand, which got stuck onto the jacket afterwards. But since this jacket is meant to reproduce the look of the jacket in South America, after all that rolling he went through, I guess that's a good thing!

Overall though, I'm really pleased with the final result! Will get some photos up ASAP

I think the best representation of how light the jacket is are in the pics with flash. Not really screen-accurate, and IMO more Last Crusade than Raiders. But regardless, the color is starting to grow on me though, since it really reminds me of the kind of jackets you'd see on those 1930s-1950s adventure and/or sci-fi movies.

Also, on the downside, there are a few places (like the sidestraps and pockets) where what I'm assuming to be raw leather is exposed (meaning in those spots, there is a rough edge with a very pale tan color). This kinda gives the jacket an unfinished look.

I originally wanted a shorter length, but went with a 40L since I didn't want it to be too short. It is a bit too long to be a Raiders (considering that it covers 3/4 of my rear jeans pockets), but I think I'll stick with this since it allows me to wear a T-shirt untucked anyway

What I am curious though is if it was made in the UK? I can't seem to find Wested's trademark "Made by British Craftsmen" label anywhere, only a "Made by Craftsmen"...

Is this the jacket that is supposed to be more screen acurate and cheaper than the standard ?

Morsegist - A lovely jacket. If I had my druthers. I would get a pre-D and a new-look jacket. With a single-jack budget, I go for the new look. It will age on me (I hope!) realistically.

Looks like that one's got some of the updates. Darker leather, rectangular sliders, sliver zipper. Pocket flaps don't seem as scalloped as the others and it is rather long in the back, but that's expected as it's not custom measurements.

castor, i like you're jacket. i was not entirely convinced of the hide originally but i think you've got a winner there. i would consider getting that hide myself.

it looks good on you my friend and considering that you've already acknowledged that its not SA, it looks like you've got a keeper for sure.

now speaking from the SA camp, the pockets need resizing and resculpting, the yoke should end above the arm seam, the collar should meet at the midpoint of the storm flap, correct hardare should be used on the straps with the correct anchor stitching. sometimes i wonder if these things reallly count for anything or if the SA camp tolerances are just a tadd 'anal' . i think the bottom line is, the customer should get these alterations if they pay extra for them and they should be GAURANTEED to be there...AND if any of these are missed on an order, it should be corrected or the whole jacket redone on the vendor's dime in a turnaround time that does not exceed the original delivery time. sorry if i sound a bit bitter tonite....i'm frustrated with the fact that i want to order a premium priced SA wested with my list of specs but i just can't bring myself to do so knowing their track record......i'll be under the plymouth.

I'm pretty pleased, considering that this was an off-the-rack!

The jacket lookes very, very long. Is it tagged a long off-the-rack size?

You stated that the sleeves are longer, but the body looks easily 3 inches
longer than even all the TOD jackets I have seen. It looks more like a car coat
length.

And the pockets look extra long too. Could you post a the overall
height of the pockets, from the very top of the flap to the very bottom?

Very curious indeed...

Flathead

Indiana G wrote:castor, i like you're jacket. i was not entirely convinced of the hide originally but i think you've got a winner there. i would consider getting that hide myself.

it looks good on you my friend and considering that you've already acknowledged that its not SA, it looks like you've got a keeper for sure.

now speaking from the SA camp, the pockets need resizing and resculpting, the yoke should end above the arm seam, the collar should meet at the midpoint of the storm flap, correct hardare should be used on the straps with the correct anchor stitching. sometimes i wonder if these things reallly count for anything or if the SA camp tolerances are just a tadd 'anal' . i think the bottom line is, the customer should get these alterations if they pay extra for them and they should be GAURANTEED to be there...AND if any of these are missed on an order, it should be corrected or the whole jacket redone on the vendor's dime in a turnaround time that does not exceed the original delivery time. sorry if i sound a bit bitter tonite....i'm frustrated with the fact that i want to order a premium priced SA wested with my list of specs but i just can't bring myself to do so knowing their track record......i'll be under the plymouth.

Thanks! I'm pretty excited about the jacket as well, though it certainly shows its costume-roots. I think it'll make a pretty handy light-weight travel jacket, just not something for sticklers though.

I'm going to give this jacket some serious (but unintentional) abuse after it wears out it's new jacket protection status. Perhaps this might shrink it some for a better fit?

While it may not be a SA jacket, I'd imagine the hide (and just the jacket in general) would be what Indy's jacket would look like if it survived well into the 2000s, with the prerequisite Pecards treatment of course!

FLATHEAD wrote:

I'm pretty pleased, considering that this was an off-the-rack!

The jacket lookes very, very long. Is it tagged a long off-the-rack size?

You stated that the sleeves are longer, but the body looks easily 3 inches
longer than even all the TOD jackets I have seen. It looks more like a car coat
length.

And the pockets look extra long too. Could you post a the overall
height of the pockets, from the very top of the flap to the very bottom?

Very curious indeed...

Flathead

It IS a 40L, but I think I should add that I originally wanted a size 25 (back length), but Wested's sizing chart says a 40R is 24, and a 40L is a 26. Figuring having a little extra is better than having too little, I went with the 40L which turned out to be 27.5 inches... Just a word of caution

The pockets are 8", which is 1/2 an inch shorter than my LC (Wested standard) pocket. The collar also has the exact same measurements of my LC collar, which means I've either got a short LC collar, or a long raiders collar

Not too sure if it helps, but I think I should also add that this is my first jacket with sliders, so I'm not sure if this is standard, but the sliders are pretty much exactly like D-rings, except they are square-boxes if that makes any sense. I thought it was going to be one big rectangular square piece, so I'm just a little surprised.

I'd be very interested in some outdoor shots. Despite the length, I think it looks pretty good.

Here's some outdoors shots of this jacket. My friend here is a 52 chest but only about 5' 7" and whilst the shoulders here are ok the back isn't right. The jacket is too long and the sleeves are folded up an inch. He needs a custom fit for his barrel shape. (Sorry I don't remember what size the jacket was XXL or something!)

Look at the position of the silver zipper!

The he should probably shave an inch of the height of the pocket and add 1/2 an inch to the top of the flap.

I quite like how the colour looks in daylight actually.

not bad. not bad at all. the way the distress is distributed, it reminds me of the LC jacket. its good to see that the zipper is fixed as per whats on screen.

kind of looks like the jacket has the leather facings on the zipper as the lines are so perfectly flat. is that the case or is it because its new and not broken in yet?

any chance that peter is going to take into account your SA critiques on the jacket?

Is that Peter?

I was about to ask the same question, whiskey.

Regards! Michaelson

whiskyman wrote:Is that Peter?

How ironic would that be if it were Peter in a jacket that didn't quite fiit right?

LOL no, it's not Peter. Although he shares some dimensions.

The jacket doesn't have facings inside the zipper G. I don't know if Peter will follow up my observations, maybe!

don't forget about the storm flap/collar spec....just in case you're gonna talk shop with him anytime soon.

Indiana G wrote:don't forget about the storm flap/collar spec....just in case you're gonna talk shop with him anytime soon.

You can probably just see that the storm flap is rounded already.

However, he is particularly resistant to the halfway over the stormflap arguement.

You can probably just see that the storm flap is rounded already.

However, he is particularly resistant to the halfway over the stormflap arguement.

god! i hate it when i can't get specs done the way i want them.......but i love the tenacity of peter's artistry. what can you do eh? its truly and utterly frustrating getting a jacket my way...but dangit, i do deeply respect peter and wested for doing what they do

Yeah, I did notice the top of the storm flap was rounded.

It's as rounded as Wested's current LC stormflap, I notice. Isn't that what Peter does for all his jackets now?

SD

Although I've been reading up on these forums quite a bunch, you experienced jacket & fedora collectors confuse the #### out of me

So this newer model has higher and smaller armholes, right? (That's what 80's fit means, yeah?)

So if I was to order one of these, would I ask for the new distressed screen-accurate ROTLA look in lambskin?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but admit, it's better than starting a whole thread on it...

i didn't know 'h e l l' is a word that would get censored. Haha.

mufflowne wrote:Although I've been reading up on these forums quite a bunch, you experienced jacket & fedora collectors confuse the #### out of me

So this newer model has higher and smaller armholes, right? (That's what 80's fit means, yeah?)

So if I was to order one of these, would I ask for the new distressed screen-accurate ROTLA look in lambskin?

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but admit, it's better than starting a whole thread on it...

I felt the exact same way a few months back

From what I gather, [19]80s fit refers to making the jacket fit tighter overall (as in tighter chest and waist) as opposed to accomodating the modern day American who has packed on a few extra pounds.

The 80's fit comes from agent5's specs for a screen-accurate Raiders btw, and can be applied to any Wested Indy to my knowledge. If you have a slim or athletic build, it would flatter you much more than the standard jacket.

If you want to order one, you should email or call Wested, as it seems that this particular leather isn't on the order page. And FYI, this jacket is 20 pounds cheaper than the other leathers, so it's not a bad deal... though I think it's still considered a prototype [?]

Where's the thread that gives agent5's measurements?

'80's fit' is an option you can ask for, unless things have changed. Trust me, you don't need Agent5's specs for that. Just do a search for "80's fit" and you'll find reams of pics...actually, erri_wan's pics of his 80's fit jacket are very good examples. He's really lean, so it works on him.

People with a broader torso may not like the way it fits, American or not.

Broader torso, not shoulders, right? Because I'd still like it to be somewhat snug, not too loose.

Does this look like an 80's look to you?
viewtopic.php?t=22091

I know it's not an indy, but that's the look I was shooting for.

I was actually even considering having it done without the pockets, but after seeing the pics in this thread, I'm thinking I probably won't.

And Castor Dioscuri, I really like your jacket. What type of leather is it though? I'm still not sure what to ask for when I order - a "new screen-authentic raiders with the new distressed lambskin that looks like it's been rolled around in the sand" ? Haha!

Can't say if that's an 80's or not, hard to tell w/ the zip open, but it does appear slim, and it's on a thin guy so it might be hard to tell. I don't think the jacket he's got is really going to be an 80's fit, though, it's a bit uncommon unless youare buying a cycle jacket, from what I can tell.

try this thread: viewtopic.php?t=18643&highlight=erri+80s

mufflowne wrote:Broader torso, not shoulders, right? Because I'd still like it to be somewhat snug, not too loose.

Does this look like an 80's look to you?
viewtopic.php?t=22091

I know it's not an indy, but that's the look I was shooting for.

I was actually even considering having it done without the pockets, but after seeing the pics in this thread, I'm thinking I probably won't.

And Castor Dioscuri, I really like your jacket. What type of leather is it though? I'm still not sure what to ask for when I order - a "new screen-authentic raiders with the new distressed lambskin that looks like it's been rolled around in the sand" ? Haha!

Thanks! The leather used in that particular jacket is indeed predistressed, as are the other jackets posted in this thread. The 'worn-look' for this particular jacket refers to the leather fyi

And not sure if this helps or not, but here is another Indy jacket of mine, done in LC style, in Authentic Lambskin, with an 80's fit:



By the way, the worn-look leather jacket is only available in off the rack sizes, so you should take that into account. Hope this helps!

Do you think it's worth getting it now? Rather than waiting until Peter starts making them in custom sizes?
I'm not even sure what size I'd get. Large or X-Large... I have broad shoulders...haha. Most of my T-Shirts are XLarge, so I guess that'd be a safer bet.

Of all the leathers, i like the 'worn-look' lamb the best...
And believe it or not, the predistressed hide comes in second.

#### forums, you guys even made me feel guilty about buying a HJ instead of an AB. (I still don't regret it though)

heres and 80's fit



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Right back from vacation, read and noted all the comments.
Yes this first lot is long, maybe too long but as most people wanting a ROLA go for a TOD for length so I decided to blend the two.
The jacket is based on 80's cut, no inside facing, narrower arms and body and the first batch of 10 were in this new worn look lamb sample skin.
I intend to clear them out and start again.
The next batch will probably made in lambskin or a new hide I am playing with. I also have a new veg tanned pre washed lambskin which is getting rave revue but is more expensive and could make the jacket around the £190/£200 mark custom made. The others will be £125.
I also have some goatskin jackets to clear at £125 all new ex stock.
Cheers
Peter

The 80's fit comes from agent5's specs for a screen-accurate Raiders btw

To be fair, it was not me, but Chris King who intorduced us to the 80's cut sometime in the late 90's. I added this info to the spec sheet I did, but cannot take credit for it. Thanks for the nod, though.

Peter, do you have any pictures of the veg tanned prewashed lambskin?
And out of the first 10, do you still have any left?

PETER wrote:The next batch will probably made in lambskin or a new hide I am playing with. I also have a new veg tanned pre washed lambskin which is getting rave revue but is more expensive and could make the jacket around the £190/£200 mark custom made. The others will be £125.
I also have some goatskin jackets to clear at £125 all new ex stock.
Cheers
Peter

Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in!

I'm curious about the vegetable tanned lambskin too, though from what I hear, they are the least water resistant (ending up discolored and hardens) when compared to chrome-tanned, and also shrink easily...?

Hmm, I would have thought that the worn-look lamb would have sold much more than 10. I wonder who else bought it besides Michaelson, Morsegeist, KT, and I. That accounts for 4, so I'm guessing that there should be 6 more unspoken for?

Castor Dioscuri wrote:

PETER wrote:The next batch will probably made in lambskin or a new hide I am playing with. I also have a new veg tanned pre washed lambskin which is getting rave revue but is more expensive and could make the jacket around the £190/£200 mark custom made. The others will be £125.
I also have some goatskin jackets to clear at £125 all new ex stock.
Cheers
Peter

Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in!

I'm curious about the vegetable tanned lambskin too, though from what I hear, they are the least water resistant and shrink easily...

Hmm, I would have thought that the worn-look lamb would have sold much more than 10. I wonder who else bought it besides Michaelson, Morsegeist, KT, and I. That accounts for 4, so I'm guessing that there should be 6 more unspoken for?

Unfortunately none of them fit me . They started at 40 ( I'm a 38 ) and too long for me.

I'm a custom fit sort of guy!

The veg tanned is preshrunk already.