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Dakota Ellison wrote:They are all official license tags and the one I used is about full size

Official license plates? Did I read that right? If so, that's cool! I've never seen one in my U.S. travels.

I guess the pic answers that question about outdoor cafes that even men can wear their hats in an outdoor cafe.

Where did you get these license plate tags? I've never seen one that is vertical. Very unique (hmmmm). Too bad in TX we wear tags in the front and back of our cars.

I meant the tag that comes with official Lucasfilm licensed products, such as the Dorfman-Pacific Indy fedora and the Cooper leather Indy jacket.
Prestige car tags wouldn't be a bad idea, though.

I'm all confused! I may never wear a hat again
Indy Janice

Indiana Joe wrote:
Pyr,

You live in Texas. So, is this your experience in big ol' Texas or only in other parts of the U.S.?

I.J.

Other parts. California, Wisconsin, Nevada... I haven't been to NY, or Chicago with a hat. Things could be different there.

I came into this forum looking for hat etiquette.....LIscense plates...I have to read back a lit

More hat etiquette info:


Tips Of The Hat

GARY WARTH
Staff Writer

Hats are surprisingly complicated things.

They keep their wearers warm in the winter and cool in the summer, and sometimes function strictly as fashion accessories. But they also come with etiquette so complex that people have to consult guides just to wear them.

No other article of clothing must be donned, tipped or shed depending on the time of day, the type of event attended, whether the National Anthem is being played or whether a woman is present.

Sometimes hats are removed in elevators, sometimes they aren't. Men must take off their hats during the National Anthem, but women don't. Or do they?

There was a time when almost everyone knew these rules, but ever since hats fell out of fashion about 40 years ago, entire generations have come of age with little understanding of proper topper protocol.

More casual rules are followed today, sometimes appalling older people who remember traditional customs. So if you're donning an Easter bonnet today, it couldn't hurt to know some of the rules.

Respectful, but flirtatious

"It used to be very much an act of courtesy and respect to remove your hat," said Rancho Santa Fe resident Susan Witt, who teaches international protocol at San Diego State University. "It was kind of a flourish when a man removed a hat to show courtesy to a woman. It was a way of flirting. I think if men realized how handsome they looked when they wear a hat, they'd make a comeback."

Men aren't expected anymore to tip their hats in passing to women, but they are expected to remove them during the National Anthem. But are women required to do so?

"If it's a formal hat, even during the National Anthem, a woman would not remove her hat," Witt said.

Not everybody understand that rule, however, and some people take offense when a woman leaves her hat on. In those cases, Witt suggests it is better to set protocol aside for civility and harmony. "Sometimes it's better to succumb to the moment," she said.

Why are there different rules for men and women? Nationally syndicated columnist Miss Manners suspects it may have to do with the dramatically different styles of men's and women's hats.

Men's hats are easily removed, but women's hats with ribbons, bows, flowers and other decorations can be quite a production to remove, especially if they're anchored with hat pins.

Fair enough, but what if the woman and man are both wearing baseball caps? Does it make sense that only the man takes off his headgear during the National Anthem? Probably not, Miss Manners suggests. Without the traditional ladies' hat, she wrote, "you cannot claim the ladies' exemption."

Readers also have asked Miss Manners whether women are required to wear hats indoors and outdoors during the day, a question that once would have been obvious, according to Miss Manners.

"Ladies properly keep their hats on indoors, everywhere except their own houses, during the day," she writes. "Luncheons even traditionally required ladies to wear hats."

Miss Manners recognizes that some rules vary peculiarly. It is acceptable for Christian women to wear hats in church, but disrespectful for men to wear them. Not so with Conservative or Orthodox Jews, who would find it disrespectful for men not to cover their heads with a yarmulke when in a synagogue.

New generation, new rules

Escondido resident Jim Butkis, 59, always wears one of his 70 hats when going out and says he never has a problem remembering the rules.

"I instinctively follow it," he said about hat etiquette. "It wouldn't occur to me to wear a hat inside. It always surprises me when I see someone wearing a baseball cap in a relatively good restaurant."

Eric Leiser of San Diego, 20 and an employee at Villagehatshop.com, loves wearing classic hats, but he doesn't see much sense in following rules he sees as archaic.

"I go to church and I get these looks, and I don't think it's imagined," he said. "That's a little weird, because it's 2002.

"I get a little uncomfortable, and sometimes I'll take the hat off and sometimes I won't." Leiser said he won't wear a hat if he goes to other churches because he's wary of how people might react, however.

"I wouldn't wear it on a first date," Leiser said. "I wouldn't take it off in a restaurant, but maybe if it's at the Ritz Hotel, I would."

Not everybody is as lenient about hat etiquette. Leiser said his father, an accountant who works in Escondido, has told him he would not even wear a hat on casual Fridays.

There is one piece of hat etiquette Leiser still finds useful.

"A lot of times if I meet somebody, I'll do this because it's cool," he said, touching the brim of his gray fedora-like hat.

Classic rules

For people who want to brush up on etiquette before going out with a hat, numerous books and Web sites are available.

Advice from such etiquette sages as Amy Vanderbilt and Emily Post: Post is quoted as saying in 1959: "It is impossible for a hatless woman to be chic." She added that it is incorrect to wear a hat with an evening dress, however.

Hats can be worn to theaters or concerts, but people should remove them if they are blocking anyone's view.

Hat-wearers must be careful when putting something on the hatband, by the way. Anything put on the band of a man's hat must be on the left side, and anything on a woman's hatband must be on the right.

Amy Vanderbilt gave women the choice about whether to wear hats to outdoor parties and weddings in her 1963 "New Complete Book of Etiquette." Women should keep their hats on in homes holding christenings, weddings and funerals, because in those occasions the house is treated as if it were a house of worship, she said.

Women should not remove hats that go with dinner suits or dinner dresses throughout the evening. Miss Manners notes that daytime hats must be doffed at dusk.

If that is confusing, consider the rules Emily Post lays out for men who encounter women in elevators. A gentleman must take off his hat when a woman enters an elevator in an apartment building or a hotel, as those are considered dwellings. He puts it on again in the hall, because a public corridor is like a street. In public buildings, however, the elevator is also considered public, and the hat can stay on.

In Post's "Etiquette: The Blue Book of Social Usage" from 1959, she wrote that men tip or lift their hat only to strangers, not to friends, although a man would lift the hat if he encountered his wife. A hat also is tipped to a woman when passing in a narrow space or when the man speaks to her. If a man runs into a female acquaintance, he must take his hat off when talking to her, but can put it back on if they start walking.

Butkis said he remembers his grandfather had one big rule about tipping hats: Just don't do it to men.

"If you look at some of the old, old cowboy movies, like Tom Mix, if they'd really want to insult somebody, they'd tip their hat at them," he said. "My grandfather would say it's akin to calling them a woman."

My grandfater played a major role in hat etiquette. My first fedora was a stetson given my him when I was 10 years old. It was big for me, but I still wore it till I grew, and my head got bigger. I went out and travelled with him to many places.... thus learning "some" tips.

CJ[quote][/quote]

That is a wealth of knowledge. I have tried to contact Jim Butkis. I live 5 minutes from Escondido. It would be very interesting to see some of the pieces in his collection.

One thing that fascinates me is how in the 30's and 40's respect toward one another was considered practical and common. For example. My 36' Ford does not have a keyhole on the driver's side door. The passenger's does. I had beliefs on the reason for this and my beliefs were merited after speaking with a vintage Ford expert.

He explained that it was just common sense to have the keyhole on the passenger side since the husband would unlock the door for his wife, and she would, in turn, unlock the door for him. Today this respect and love has dwindled. It is a shame. Sincerest Regards. Blaine

P.S. Did you leave me for Victor, or were there others in between? aren't you the kind that tells.

Long Time, Rick - Howve you been?!


Regards
I J

I know this is an old thread but I thought I'd re-visit it since I began to wonder about removing my hat when I was at the supermarket (I didn't) or when I went to the doctor (I did).

These old threads are fascinating for newbies like myself. I'd never have thought of looking this up.

I always take my hat off inside BTW (except when Im sitting at my pc. lol)

so in the picture in that good looking poster the definitive rule about wearing a hat at an outdoor cafe? I was at lunch with my girlfriend a few weeks ago and we grabbed our sub sandwiches and headed for an outside table (before it got too bloody hot, already). Since we were outside, I THOUGHT is was OK to keep my hat on, but she insisted that I remove it. Reading the past posts about hat etiquiette, it seems that she was right. We were eating (albeit outside at a shaded table, and I was in the presence of a lady. I removed my hat to an unused adjacent seat, but oh, how I long for the return of hat (and coat) racks.

As a side note, about 2 years ago, I attended an evening performance in a winter month of a symphony concert at a hall nearby, given that the symphony hall was being renovated. I wore an overcoat that evening but didn't want to take it to my seat. I inquired in the lobby for a coat check and found out that they didn't have one. Graciously, they took my overcoat and gave me a ticket as a receipt that I used to pick it up after the performance. On a subsequent visit to the same hall, I noticed that they had instituted a coat check area and it was getting some use.

Now, with the symphony back at its regular venue, there is a coat check area established. It is rare that an overcoat is ever needed in Phoenix, but at least I know one is available if I need to check a coat or a hat.

I too, would be interested in this above poster if it is indeed available.

I really dont see why we should remove hats in church....I've gone to church my whole life and always thought this was stupid.

Does God really care if something is on our heads?? No.....It's never once mentioned in the bible. What about jews?? They wear the yamica in church. Or the catholic priests'?? They wear them in doors too.

Women back in the old days always wore hats indoors and to church but men took em off I think it's a stupid, outdated tradition that should really be phased out.

Vegeta wrote:I really dont see why we should remove hats in church....

I think it is more of a sign of respect to remove ones hat in a church than a practicality. I'm not really religious personally, but I would still give respect where it is due. It's the gentlemanly thing to do.

Indiana Venkman wrote:

Vegeta wrote:I really dont see why we should remove hats in church....

I think it is more of a sign of respect to remove ones hat in a church than a practicality. I'm not really religious personally, but I would still give respect where it is due. It's the gentlemanly thing to do.

Then why don't women do it?? The entire hat issue, It's all just pointless and dumb.

Vegeta wrote:Then why don't women do it?? The entire hat issue, It's all just pointless and dumb.

Because women are Ladies, not Gentlemen. There was an entire code of conduct concerning 'Gentlemen' and what rules applied to be socially correct. As far as I know 'Ladies' had their own set of rules to be followed. Honestly our society has suffered in the loss of these kinds of refinements. It was what made us civil. Now we have to suffer the lazy, sloppy 'gangstah' look of ill fitting clothes and ill manners that are the more popular choice of todays largely disrespectful youth.

It was explained in an earlier post. Women's hats don't really lend themselves to be taken off easily. Also, its just a matter of respect. I have no respect for religion itself, but I'd have the (un)common decency to respect the other people in the room.

I am really enjoying this thread. is there any way that this thread can be made into a sticky?
thanx!!!
Charlie

He explained that it was just common sense to have the keyhole on the passenger side since the husband would unlock the door for his wife, and she would, in turn, unlock the door for him.

That doesn't make sense. What if he's driving without the wife? What if he's unmarried?

I think it was because of curbside parking. If you look at old movies and serials, guys are always getting into cars parked on the curb on the passenger side and sliding over on those bench seats. Easier and safer than on the side with traffic.

Treadwell wrote:

He explained that it was just common sense to have the keyhole on the passenger side since the husband would unlock the door for his wife, and she would, in turn, unlock the door for him.

That doesn't make sense. What if he's driving without the wife? What if he's unmarried?

I think it was because of curbside parking. If you look at old movies and serials, guys are always getting into cars parked on the curb on the passenger side and sliding over on those bench seats. Easier and safer than entering on the side with traffic whizzing by.

I have a fondness for that period as well, but I think this is a case of over-romanticizing.

"If you look at some of the old, old cowboy movies, like Tom Mix, if they'd really want to insult somebody, they'd tip their hat at them," he said. "My grandfather would say it's akin to calling them a woman."

That is very akin to a gag we did at the Pike House. We always stood up when a girl/lady entered a room. (Wife still kids me about it, but she remembers it, think about that). We would also do the same to guys we were insulting.

My apologies to any Indy Fans who are in ATO.

If only this were true today!

I always took my hat cues from what we do in the military: hats off indoors; period and when sitting down outside; not an absolute, but underway on a ship we almost always were a cover. As for Indy not tipping his hat, well watch KOTCS again when he tells the story of "ridding" with Poncho Via, he tips his hat to the nuns.

IndianaBlues wrote:Anyone else have this problem? I can't take my hat off because my hair just looks plain ridiculous underneath it...kind of an Indy-crown shaped hairdo - look like I've just walked out of the Mad Max set....any ideas on how to cure this so I can occasionally take my hat off?

Nic

nope never had that problem i shave my hair now it makes things so much easier you never have morning hair when you wake up and you never have hat hair when when you take your hat of

If your hair is longer than Indy's you'll have problems. Men had regular and rather-short haircuts. Also used hair grooming products and combed several times daily.

I was watching LC yesterday and i noticed for the first time that in the prologue, the digger Fedora was the only one to remove his hat when they all came in the Jones residence.