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Indiana Holt wrote:
browncoat,

could you please tell me how long your jacket is?

and how much the top sleeves are now? measured flat over the bicep area.

looks really good!

My jacket is the standard 26 inch backlength. I chose it because I figured at 6' 1, Harrison should be taller than me (I know, can o' worms) and my jacket would fall at a similar spot.

If I had to do it all over I would add another inch.

The sleeves are also 25.5 inches giving me the 35 inch armlength that I wanted. The armhole is about 11 inches, bicep is at 8.5 inches and the cuff is at 6 inches.

The sleeves on my ToD actually match the measurements of the Todd's XXL Standard. The Wested ToD differs on the quality of leather which is miles above the Todd's and the body is more fitted on the Wested which I love. The jacket has this type of built in full chest -no baggy stomach area design.

I really like it. Hope that helps.

Kt Templar wrote:People who have one of production jackets may be able to confirm. The outer edge on the pleat should be stitched and glued. It's one of the details missing on the proto.

Thanks KT. There is the answer and what I thought. It should be stitched, as mine is and I think the NH was too. I don't think mine is glued as well though, and that's fine.

Browncoat wrote:

Indiana Holt wrote:
browncoat,

could you please tell me how long your jacket is?

and how much the top sleeves are now? measured flat over the bicep area.

looks really good!

My jacket is the standard 26 inch backlength. I chose it because I figured at 6' 1, Harrison should be taller than me (I know, can o' worms) and my jacket would fall at a similar spot.

If I had to do it all over I would add another inch.

The sleeves are also 25.5 inches giving me the 35 inch armlength that I wanted. The armhole is about 11 inches, bicep is at 8.5 inches and the cuff is at 6 inches.

The sleeves on my ToD actually match the measurements of the Todd's XXL Standard. The Wested ToD differs on the quality of leather which is miles above the Todd's and the body is more fitted on the Wested which I love. The jacket has this type of built in full chest -no baggy stomach area design.

I really like it. Hope that helps.

We just need the photos of yours now

RCSignals wrote:

Kt Templar wrote:People who have one of production jackets may be able to confirm. The outer edge on the pleat should be stitched and glued. It's one of the details missing on the proto.

Thanks KT. There is the answer and what I thought. It should be stitched, as mine is and I think the NH was too. I don't think mine is glued as well though, and that's fine.

The NH one was stitched, but very lightly, it has almost all unravelled. .

Browncoat wrote:

Indiana Holt wrote:
browncoat,

could you please tell me how long your jacket is?

and how much the top sleeves are now? measured flat over the bicep area.

looks really good!

My jacket is the standard 26 inch backlength. I chose it because I figured at 6' 1, Harrison should be taller than me (I know, can o' worms) and my jacket would fall at a similar spot.

If I had to do it all over I would add another inch.

The sleeves are also 25.5 inches giving me the 35 inch armlength that I wanted. The armhole is about 11 inches, bicep is at 8.5 inches and the cuff is at 6 inches.

The sleeves on my ToD actually match the measurements of the Todd's XXL Standard. The Wested ToD differs on the quality of leather which is miles above the Todd's and the body is more fitted on the Wested which I love. The jacket has this type of built in full chest -no baggy stomach area design.

I really like it. Hope that helps.

that helps!

so take of .75'' from 8.5'' top sleeve you will end up with 7.75'' top sleeve.that would be TOO thoght for a 44.thats almost the same sizing for a 40 sized jacket top sleeve.


could you please tell me what the chest is. armpit seam to armpit seam.

thanks man

I sent you a pm but I will post to help others as well.

The chest measurement (below the armpit) is 23 inches for reference my Todd's XXL is 23 inches and my US Wings is 24 inches.

The actual armpit to armpit on my Todd's and US Wings is 21 inches. But the ToD is designed with a higher pit at 19 inches. Totally weird...but it does fit like a 44 like many of my other jackets; its the waist area that is slimfit. I dont' think I would wear this jacket if I still had my belly of last year. That's what the US Wings is for!

Measurements for Holt using the TN measurement guide



For my 40

A-B (not including collar stand) 23.5"

C-D laid flat 22.5"

E-F 21"

G-H 7.5"(this is to the true shoulder top not along the yoke top seam as that does not follow the shoulder.)

I-J 26.5" (this has stretched from 26")

K-L 20" (this is to the true shoulder top not along the yoke top seam as that does not follow the shoulder.)

M-N 25.75"

sleeve flat across bicep area 8" (stretched from 7.5")

thanks man.

by reading that I became alittle confused.

is the jacket alittle longer in the front from the back?

RCSignals wrote:The action pleat of the Wested reproduction is stitched, but from the photos the action pleat of the NH jacket appears to be as well. I can't imagine a glued action pleat holding at all.
KT tried it on maybe he remembers.

It doesn't hold. Of course, this is a screen grab and I've certainly been shown that these aren't definitive, but it does look interesting.



Look at a close-up of the jacket from the palace scene you posted. Look at that curl in the jacket. It looks like a glued pleat that's came loose. Since the NH jacket had a stitch here, I guess the question was moot as to whether to include one on the Wested. I wouldn't have blamed Peter a bit for putting one there even if the NH hadn't had one for durability purposes.

And before I take any credit for this, Holt's the one that picked up on the glued pleat. We had poured over that thing forever wondering how the pleat worked and acted as it did. To me, it looks like a glued pleat that's broken loose.

Kt Templar wrote:

RCSignals wrote:

Kt Templar wrote:People who have one of production jackets may be able to confirm. The outer edge on the pleat should be stitched and glued. It's one of the details missing on the proto.

Thanks KT. There is the answer and what I thought. It should be stitched, as mine is and I think the NH was too. I don't think mine is glued as well though, and that's fine.

The NH one was stitched, but very lightly, it has almost all unravelled. .

As I recall from photos, even from watching the movie, there is a lot of undone stitching on that jacket

Indiana Holt wrote:thanks man.

by reading that I became alittle confused.

is the jacket alittle longer in the front from the back?

By those measurements it's longer in the back

crismans wrote:

RCSignals wrote:The action pleat of the Wested reproduction is stitched, but from the photos the action pleat of the NH jacket appears to be as well. I can't imagine a glued action pleat holding at all.
KT tried it on maybe he remembers.

It doesn't hold. Of course, this is a screen grab and I've certainly been shown that these aren't definitive, but it does look interesting.



Look at a close-up of the jacket from the palace scene you posted. Look at that curl in the jacket. It looks like a glued pleat that's came loose. Since the NH jacket had a stitch here, I guess the question was moot as to whether to include one on the Wested. I wouldn't have blamed Peter a bit for putting one there even if the NH hadn't had one for durability purposes.

And before I take any credit for this, Holt's the one that picked up on the glued pleat. We had poured over that thing forever wondering how the pleat worked and acted as it did. To me, it looks like a glued pleat that's broken loose.

I think as KT said, it was stitched but much of the stitching had come undone. Even in that photo the outer edge looks like it was stitched.
Anyway it's an odd jacket in a lot of ways.

crismans wrote:

RCSignals wrote:The action pleat of the Wested reproduction is stitched, but from the photos the action pleat of the NH jacket appears to be as well. I can't imagine a glued action pleat holding at all.
KT tried it on maybe he remembers.

It doesn't hold. Of course, this is a screen grab and I've certainly been shown that these aren't definitive, but it does look interesting.



Look at a close-up of the jacket from the palace scene you posted. Look at that curl in the jacket. It looks like a glued pleat that's came loose. Since the NH jacket had a stitch here, I guess the question was moot as to whether to include one on the Wested. I wouldn't have blamed Peter a bit for putting one there even if the NH hadn't had one for durability purposes.

And before I take any credit for this, Holt's the one that picked up on the glued pleat. We had poured over that thing forever wondering how the pleat worked and acted as it did. To me, it looks like a glued pleat that's broken loose.

The other thing about that photo is how it looks like the action back goes right to the sleeve. It actually doesn't but from the back from some angles, the way the back puffs up and the sleeve seam folds under, it appears that it does.

The trough of the pleat is stitched too, just in case that picture made you think otherwise.

Just got an email from Gemma. They're still out of the washed and regular goat and are expecting a shipment within the next 7-10 working days. So there's a little wait for mine. I'm looking forward to getting this jacket and putting it with my Penman ToD. Geek Vahalla, here I come!

Why does Wested wait to order leather in such a busy season? You'd think they would have ordered when they were getting low so they would have it in stock. It's been weeks since they've had any. I ordered Nov 27th, reg goat. She told me through email last week Friday that it would be here this weekend. Guess I'm going to have to wait even longer.

I can't imagine how backed up they are because of that.

I thought I read that Peter got in an batch of hides he wasn't happy with since they had a dark line down the center where the spine would be. I think that set them back a bit.

Yeah, it's on page 6 of this thread.
;-)
Regards !Michaelson

I'm looking forward to getting this jacket and putting it with my Penman ToD

Crisman

Lets see that hat... post it in the hat section. I have yet to see a "good" version of the temple hat. I am speaking of the bridge scene hat not the horrible, tiny, tapered cockpit hat!

Your right Michaelson. I take back what I said. I forgot about that bad batch.

I hope they get the shipment in soon.

Kt Templar wrote:The trough of the pleat is stitched too, just in case that picture made you think otherwise.

Thanks for the clarification KT. That's what I was saying, good to know I was not wrong.

A question for anyone who's received their washed goat ToD jacket - have you/are you planning on soaking/washing it?

Before I received mine, I was all set to give it a warm water soak to remove any remaining dye, help cut the shine, bring out the texture of the leather, and bunch up the sleeves. But now that I have it, the leather is already shine-free. It's got such a beautiful matte finish, I hate to risk it by throwing it in water. I'm tempted to just wear the heck out of it and let it break in naturally. Let me know if anyone has taken the plunge, and please post pics if you have.

Kind regards,
Craig

serrecuir, your jacket is AWESOME!!! The predistressed goat makes it look like you reached into the movie and pulled it right off Harrison's back (answering the long-standing question about why Indy is suddenly jacket-less midway through the film!)

That is undoubtably one of the finest Indy jackets I have ever seen. Wear it proudly, sir.

I had a OTR Last Crusade in the washed goat and, even though I'm the world's worst to throw a new jacket in the wash, I didn't with that hide. Like you said, the hide's already got the matte finish so there's no shine to knock off. And the hide's so soft that it starts breaking in quickly and getting the creases, etc. (which is my other big reason for washing the jackets). I did put some Lexol on the jacket and it seemed to "toughen" up the leather (I've tried to explain what I mean here before and failed miserably). The hide really did soak up the Lexol.

I think I'd just wear it and forget about the wash myself. It really looks like you've had the jacket for years after only a few months. You're jacket looks great as it is.

And coronoado3, I've not gotten the hat yet but you can bet that I'll post a bunch of pictures when I do. I have to admit that I've had some qualms about going with a ToD but I really like how the hat looks when Indy punches out the guards before beginning to free the kids (similar to the bridge hat). Nice bash and the brim looks great there imo.

whipwarrior wrote:serrecuir, your jacket is AWESOME!!! The predistressed goat makes it look like you reached into the movie and pulled it right off Harrison's back (answering the long-standing question about why Indy is suddenly jacket-less midway through the film!)

That is undoubtably one of the finest Indy jackets I have ever seen. Wear it proudly, sir.

WW,

Thanks for that compliment!! It is greatly appreciated. I AM extremely thrilled with this jacket, and wouldn't change a thing on it (oh, aside from tacking the inside pocket in place).

I've been torn between leaving the jacket alone and just wearing it vs. giving it a good soaking. Now I'm definitely leaning towards wearing it as is.

Thanks for the advice too, Crismans! And I agree with you on the Mine Car fedora - it is a great hat and would look amazing with this jacket. Be sure to post pics in your jacket when you get your Penman.

Kind regards,
Craig

Just received my jacket today. Will either post pics tonight or sometime tomorrow. Just wanted to add that I am really impressed with this jacket.

Kevin

Okay finally got my camera back and took a couple quick shots. Sorry for the poor lighting but if I put the flash up the reflection is pretty great from the flash.

Anyway, you can get the idea of the fit and length of my jacket:

Open:



Closed:



Jeans are low rise boot cut so you would have to raise the belt buckle about an 1.25 inches to get normal (Indy) khaki waist.

The jacket screams giving it a good soak but I really can't distress it and expect to be able to wear it to work (business casual) so new looking it stays.

Browncoat that's a very nice looking jacket you got there!
I like that narrower sleeves so much. What leather is this and jacket size?
Can't wait to get mine.

Regards

orb

serrecuir wrote:A question for anyone who's received their washed goat ToD jacket - have you/are you planning on soaking/washing it?

Before I received mine, I was all set to give it a warm water soak to remove any remaining dye, help cut the shine, bring out the texture of the leather, and bunch up the sleeves. But now that I have it, the leather is already shine-free. It's got such a beautiful matte finish, I hate to risk it by throwing it in water. I'm tempted to just wear the heck out of it and let it break in naturally. Let me know if anyone has taken the plunge, and please post pics if you have.

Kind regards,
Craig

A few months ago, I got my LC washed goat thoroughly soaked during a thunderstorm. It dried pretty quickly and the matte finish stayed the same as when new.

Thanks, orb: It's an authentic lamb 44 with the 26 inch back and 25.5 inch sleeve. If I had it to do over again, I probably would go washed goat with a 26.5 or 27 inch back.


This last pic is only for reference here is a pic of my Todd's Standard XXL:




If one owns a Todd's Standard, perhaps one can base the fit of a Wested ToD on it? Maybe....at least its a reference to someone wanting to order.

The measurements of my Wested ToD 44 are VERY similar to my Todd's almost exact except for the Todd's is about 1/2 inch longer in back. Believe it or not the stormflap lengths are the same but the Todd "wears" longer for some reason. Might be that Todd's is a "fuller" cut at the shoulder and chest.

The ToD jacket looks good Browncoat. I'm not sure it needs to longer.

that looks really good.can we get a picture from the side?

want to see how those sleeves fold around your arms.

you look like you have the same body type as me.glad I added a some slak in the sleeves.

Any more of these arrive?

Heard from Peter last night...their label machine was acting up..mine will be sent out today! YAH!!!!

Mine just came today... I'm a little unsure about the collar width (looks huge!) and I think it's too big, and I think the sleeves may be too long.... I was hoping to get them super wrinkled like at the end of the movie, but if the whole jacket is too big, it won't matter. Plus after seeing the washed goat I'm really wishing I'd gone with that instead of dark lamb, but that's that, isn't it? The lamb is too lightweight for me.. *sigh* I'll do some pictures in a minute.

Also, I ordered an unissued MkVII and that didn't come. I didn't even know my jacket had shipped! I guess it was nice to get a surprise?

Shane

man,just shrink it abit.you love it.


cant wait to see the pics soon.

Aha!! This was my order:

Description: Temple of Doom Jacket
Jacket Size: 36
Sleeve Length: 24.5
Back Length: 25
Skin Type: Dk Brown Lambskin
Lining Type: Nylon
Extra Inside Pocket: None
Name Label (optional):
Special Requests: **JACKET SIZE 35**


And they sent me a 36? Were the caps and stars not enough? There's no option for any sizes below 36, but my Raiders jacket is a 34, so I know they make them smaller. Think I can change the leather and all that, too?

Shane

the sleeves will wrinkle and ride up. Just wear it "constantly" for a week or more.
How much too big in the chest is it? these tend to fit trim so I'm thinking the 36 when you asked for a 35 might be better than you think. Then again have you measured it? Maybe they just don't have any '35' labels?

Well the measurement across the chest is 18", so that means it's actually a 36. I'm not going to wear it anymore or try and wrinkle the sleeves because it's definitely the wrong size. I'd rather it fit trim than me have a jacket that looks bad because it's too big.

EDIT: I guess it's not even worth it to take the pictures, since I don't want this wrong size anyway. If they can't make me a 35 I'll just take a 34 like my Raiders jacket and be done with it. And if they can't do that, I'll just get a refund. Not turning out to be a great day.

Shane

HOT HOT SHOWER

QUICK DRY


WEAR IT and push up the sleeves


repeat...



or battle the Wested demon...

McFly wrote:Well the measurement across the chest is 18", so that means it's actually a 36. I'm not going to wear it anymore or try and wrinkle the sleeves because it's definitely the wrong size. I'd rather it fit trim than me have a jacket that looks bad because it's too big.

EDIT: I guess it's not even worth it to take the pictures, since I don't want this wrong size anyway. If they can't make me a 35 I'll just take a 34 like my Raiders jacket and be done with it. And if they can't do that, I'll just get a refund. Not turning out to be a great day.

Shane

Sorry about all that. I hope it works out for you.

Thanks a bunch. I'm just relieved that it's something I can send back and not like I measured wrong and I'm stuck with the jacket.

Shane

I suppose you should start with a phone call and or email.
You wouldn't think there would be a problem getting a 35

Yeah, I've emailed them, and also asked where my MkVII is. You'd think they could email you and let you know if something you paid for is out of stock... but I don't want to beat the dead horse on the double checking orders issue, or bash them... I will admit it's tough not to though, when you're upset.

Anyway, I'm sure things will resolve themselves one way or another. It's just a hassle.

Shane

still take some pix of the details like the storm flap corner, pockets and the side vent...

Oh, no problem at all. I can do that!

Btw, the jacket does have prongs on the sliders, but they don't go through the strap - are they supposed to?

Here you go with those detail shots:






Shane

I am having a hard time understanding what I am seeing. The back panel edge looks like the raiders version from the top down to the buckle. Then on the back panel near the bottom below the buckle it looks like the part that was folded under and stitched is now cut and sewn over top of the back panel? Does that make sense? I'm not sure if that description makes any sense? A picture appears below. Does this configuration make the very bottom of the back panel twist outward?
I am very confused.

indy1936 wrote:I am having a hard time understanding what I am seeing. The back panel edge looks like the raiders version from the top down to the buckle. Then on the back panel near the bottom below the buckle it looks like the part that was folded under and stitched is now cut and sewn over top of the back panel? Does that make sense? I'm not sure if that description makes any sense? A picture appears below. Does this configuration make the very bottom of the back panel twist outward?
I am very confused.

It's the odd way the ToD jacket vent was constructed. It looks to me almost like it was originally sewn up as an oversight then the stitching cut open to create the open vent.
The first ToD copies from Wested had the vent done differently (there are pics here somewhere) but it was actually a correction to a more conventional vent flap construction. Problem of course is the original jacket wasn't that way.


Wested has done a nice job of re-doing the vent and collar stand end.

McFly wrote:Oh, no problem at all. I can do that!

Btw, the jacket does have prongs on the sliders, but they don't go through the strap - are they supposed to?

Here you go with those detail shots:


Shane

Thanks for those photos Shane. They did a nice job, really too bad the jacket is too big.

The prongs of the buckle don't have to go through the strap, and I'm not sure they actually did on the NH jacket.

RCSignals wrote:Thanks for those photos Shane. They did a nice job, really too bad the jacket is too big.

No problem! I really wish it was my size... but hopefully soon it will be!

Shane