Todd's Pants

Digger4Glory · Post by **Digger4Glory** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:52 pm

Puppetboy wrote:Okay, here's the update: The pattern is final, but after making samples from various fabrics, including cavalry twill, we're making samples from various weights to get the Raiders drape. We're watching various scenes to see how many wrinkles the pants make when the knee is raised, etc.

We've been busy with other projects - custom jackets and xena dresses - you know, paying customers. Next week we'll try another pair and evaluate the results.

Thanks for the update! can't wait to see these!!

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:54 pm

Good deal

Kyle

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:21 pm

Thanks for the update Todd

Geek29 · Post by **Geek29** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:30 pm

Kool, sounds great Todd, do you have price set for the pair of Indy Pants by the way?

PS, well you also offer to choose between having buttons or a zipper feature near the pants crotch?

Indiana Joyce · Post by **Indiana Joyce** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:14 pm

Thank you for the update Todd. We shall continue to keep you well fed in steak sir.

I'm assuming buttonfly. Getting the weight and drape of the fabric has to be a pain. I wonder if all the pants were exactly 100 percent the same, or if there were like stunt pairs, some wider or thicker material,etc...

Geek29 · Post by **Geek29** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:35 am

Thats what I ment to say, the button fly or the zipper fly.

Thanks, Indiana Joyce

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:36 am

A zipper on a pair of classy looking cavalry twill trousers... guys are you nuts?
Anyway, "not screen accurate" = "waste of time".

Indiana Joyce wrote:I wonder if all the pants were exactly 100 percent the same, or if there were like stunt pairs, some wider or thicker material,etc...

They were, this material is the strongest after jeans.

Digger4Glory · Post by **Digger4Glory** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:47 am

I hoping the weight of these new trousers are either SA or thicker, not thinner. I would like to actually wear these and not just put them on to gear up. The old WW2 pinks were very durable, strong twill. This holds with the character.

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:34 pm

I echo the "heavier" statement. My hope is that they'll be as thick and solid as original pinks. There are plenty of thin pants out there. Let have something that'll hold up to real world adventure!

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:10 pm

From what I remember, the original trousers were a medium weight, neither light nor too heavy (and cavalry twill CAN be very heavy). Therefore I suppose that Todd will go for something along those lines. He has swatches of Noel Howard's product and his trousers were pretty much the same consistency of the screen used ones.
Afterall we want screen accuracy, not WW2 trousers... (if I may remind)

If there is anything in the Indiana Jones gear that will hold up to real adventures that is the cavalry twill (wether of a medium or a heavy density).

binkmeisterRick · Post by **binkmeisterRick** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:40 pm

Erri wrote: Afterall we want screen accuracy, not WW2 trousers...

No, I want screen accurate WW2 trousers.

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:58 pm

Geek29 · Post by **Geek29** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:25 pm

I was just curious, has anyone ever bought a pair of WW2 Army Pinks Pants from WPG?

I had bought a pair, but I found out that the length was a little too long. So I had send them back for a refund, next time I think I should by from Todds instead.

BaptisteTheFool · Post by **BaptisteTheFool** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:35 pm

Geek29 wrote:I was just curious, has anyone ever bought a pair of WW2 Army Pinks Pants from WPG?

I had bought a pair, but I found out that the length was a little too long. So I had send them back for a refund, next time I think I should by from Todds instead.

Too long? You could have gotten them hemmed for only a few bucks.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:40 pm

No one pair of pants can meet the hopes and dreams of everyone. My goal is screen accuracy - color, weight, fiber content, and construction details. If you want something else, there are other vendors who will oblige you. I'm not being flip about it, but it's the truth. I can only offer one pair of pants - that's just the economics of it. I can't offer variations. If you want something different, Magnoli has some great choices, and WPG, Bill's Khakis, and eBay are great places to find military trousers.

Price has not been determined yet and won't be for a while. We're still hammering out the details here. Once the factories get our samples, we'll have firm quotes. We'll wait for the shipment to arrive to tally up our true final cost before setting the price.

Satipo · Post by **Satipo** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:51 pm

Puppetboy wrote:My goal is screen accuracy - color, weight, fiber content, and construction details.

I salute you, sir!

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:02 pm

Puppetboy wrote:My goal is screen accuracy - color, weight, fiber content, and construction details.

Mitch LaRue · Post by **Mitch LaRue** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:03 pm

(Clearly, Satipo and I are in the same camp!)

Satipo · Post by **Satipo** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:07 pm

Mitch LaRue wrote:(Clearly, Satipo and I are in the same camp!)

Yes. I fear we have both drunk blood from the cup of Indygear and are true believers.

DanielJones · Post by **DanielJones** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:58 pm

Thanks for the heads-up Todd! Looking forward to what comes of all this R&D.

Cheers!

Dan

TheExit148 · Post by **TheExit148** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:00 pm

Puppetboy wrote:My goal is screen accuracy - color, weight, fiber content, and construction details.

And this is EXACTLY why I will be purchasing a pair from Todd.

Geek29 · Post by **Geek29** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:06 pm

Kali ma, Kali ma, must break spell,

quick someone punch me

Digger4Glory · Post by **Digger4Glory** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:34 pm

Puppetboy wrote:No one pair of pants can meet the hopes and dreams of everyone. My goal is screen accuracy - color, weight, fiber content, and construction details. If you want something else, there are other vendors who will oblige you. I'm not being flip about it, but it's the truth. I can only offer one pair of pants - that's just the economics of it. I can't offer variations. If you want something different, Magnoli has some great choices, and WPG, Bill's Khakis, and eBay are great places to find military trousers.

Price has not been determined yet and won't be for a while. We're still hammering out the details here. Once the factories get our samples, we'll have firm quotes. We'll wait for the shipment to arrive to tally up our true final cost before setting the price.

I'm sure the final product of your painstaking efforts will be top shelf as always!

generalFROSTY · Post by **generalFROSTY** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:21 pm

Geek29 wrote:Kali ma, Kali ma, must break spell,

quick someone punch me

Actually, a little fire might get you outta that spell!

My close-enoughs are really great but I will certainly be buying a pair of Todd's no question!

indyclone · Post by **indyclone** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:45 am

Puppetboy wrote:No one pair of pants can meet the hopes and dreams of everyone. My goal is screen accuracy - color, weight, fiber content, and construction details. If you want something else, there are other vendors who will oblige you. I'm not being flip about it, but it's the truth. I can only offer one pair of pants - that's just the economics of it. I can't offer variations. If you want something different, Magnoli has some great choices, and WPG, Bill's Khakis, and eBay are great places to find military trousers.

Price has not been determined yet and won't be for a while. We're still hammering out the details here. Once the factories get our samples, we'll have firm quotes. We'll wait for the shipment to arrive to tally up our true final cost before setting the price.

well sir i await for your final product like i have always said i have been happy with all your products so far and been treated fairly, so when you are ready i will be ordering the pants also, keep up the great work and service

$\:D/$

Geek29 · Post by **Geek29** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:50 pm

generalFROSTY wrote:
Geek29 wrote:Kali ma, Kali ma, must break spell,

quick someone punch me
Actually, a little fire might get you outta that spell!
My close-enoughs are really great but I will certainly be buying a pair of Todd's no question!

You're right generalFROSTY, fire does help

indyclone · Post by **indyclone** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:51 am

well i hope todds has some more info soon , hoping that he will have them avaiable before the c2e2 comic con in chicago in april , so when i'm dressed in my indy gear i will be complete!

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:26 am

Doubtful

Kyle

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:33 am

Wow, you guys are going to kill yourselves with anticipation for a pair of pants. Forget Todd even mentioned it, and later, when he comes out with them, you'll still have enough sanity left to conduct the transaction.

indyclone · Post by **indyclone** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:23 pm

i'm no nuts, i'm cwazy!!!!!

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:34 pm

indyclone wrote:i'm no nuts, i'm cwazy!!!!!

lantzn · Post by **lantzn** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:59 pm

maboot38 wrote:Wow, you guys are going to kill yourselves with anticipation for a pair of pants. Forget Todd even mentioned it, and later, when he comes out with them, you'll still have enough sanity left to conduct the transaction.

No doubt this is one VERY active thread for something that doesn't even exist. I keep seeing it being bumped up only to think that MAYBE the pants have actually been released, BUT NO, it's just a bunch of the same ole, same ole.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:09 pm

lantzn wrote:
maboot38 wrote:Wow, you guys are going to kill yourselves with anticipation for a pair of pants. Forget Todd even mentioned it, and later, when he comes out with them, you'll still have enough sanity left to conduct the transaction.
No doubt this is one VERY active thread for something that doesn't even exist. I keep seeing it being bumped up only to think that MAYBE the pants have actually been released, BUT NO, it's just a bunch of the same ole, same ole.

Yeah, sort of my point as well. I mean, I am thrilled that Todd is doing this, and am looking forward to seeing the finished product, but no need to get all Beavis about it.

Mountaineer · Post by **Mountaineer** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:23 pm

Wait...what?

Todd is gonna do pants too?!!?

OMG!!!

(Sorry I couldn't resist...)

Indiana Joyce · Post by **Indiana Joyce** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:49 pm

Yeah, because everyone knows getting excited about things is lame.

Mountaineer · Post by **Mountaineer** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:52 pm

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt they'll be cool.

But they are, or will be, after all, just...pants.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:23 pm

Yup, folks just seem to be putting the cart before the horse, is all. Go outside, get some fresh air. Put down the GI Joes for a sec and get a girlfriend. When you come back, your pants may be ready!

Indiana Joyce · Post by **Indiana Joyce** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:02 pm

I think things are being overly simplified. The reason we come here, is to discuss gear. And more often than not, this group splits into two, the fedora bellied sneetches and the sneetches with no fedorars upon thars.

One group is excited to discuss something, the idea of something, the tangible something, or the days of yore something.

The other says stop getting excited and talking about things. Go away and later you can talk about it.

Imagine getting excited that you're buying a speedboat. You join a speedboat forum. You post all that you've learned about speedboats, and what you're looking for in your speedboat. And then the members of the forum tell you to stop talking.

They're just pants. And, they're just shoes...jackets...bags..holsters...whips...and fedoras.
So, pardon the few of us that are interested when a trusted vendor who consistently puts out quality product announces that he's producing another long sought after, accurate, and financially affordable item.

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:18 pm

Man, go ahead and drool as much as you want about speedboats or pants or what have you. It has nothing to do with the cool kid thing. It has to do with the fact that this was a thread about the material on Todd's pants. Todd has posted like 6 times in the thread, and yet there are how many pages now? Seven pages? Guys keep checking back in here everytime we see a new post, just as excited as the next guy that we can buy the new gear, only to hear someone saying "Jeez, I hope they are lined with gumdrops so that when I sweat, sugar drips down into my Aldens so my sweaty socks will taste like Jolly Ranchers".

Anyway, go ahead and continue to ponder and postulate and dream about what is and what shall never be....or just sit back, content that Todd has done the research and gathered the data he needs to make the right product for his business. I was just joking around with Frosty and lantzn, indyclone and Mountaneer about how ga ga guys have gotten about a as-of-yet fictional pair of pants. If you are going to take offense to that, well....I really can't help you other than to say this isn't the first time we've seen you get WAY to serious about stuff and then get sort of huffy when folks make light of it.

Relax. We all love Indy gear, that's why we're here. Heck, if I didn't care about the pants, I wouldn't be following this thread. Just chill and enjoy the ride, and if someone razzes you about it, chuckle and smile and say "yeah, I know I'm a nut, but aren't we all?"

Indiana Joyce · Post by **Indiana Joyce** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:33 pm

maboot38 wrote:Man, go ahead and drool as much as you want about speedboats or pants or what have you. It has nothing to do with the cool kid thing. It has to do with the fact that this was a thread about the material on Todd's pants. Todd has posted like 6 times in the thread, and yet there are how many pages now? Seven pages? Guys keep checking back in here everytime we see a new post, just as excited as the next guy that we can buy the new gear, only to hear someone saying "Jeez, I hope they are lined with gumdrops so that when I sweat, sugar drips down into my Aldens so my sweaty socks will taste like Jolly Ranchers".

Anyway, go ahead and continue to ponder and postulate and dream about what is and what shall never be....or just sit back, content that Todd has done the research and gathered the data he needs to make the right product for his business. I was just joking around with Frosty and lantzn, indyclone and Mountaneer about how ga ga guys have gotten about a as-of-yet fictional pair of pants. If you are going to take offense to that, well....I really can't help you other than to say this isn't the first time we've seen you get WAY to serious about stuff and then get sort of huffy when folks make light of it.

Relax. We all love Indy gear, that's why we're here. Heck, if I didn't care about the pants, I wouldn't be following this thread. Just chill and enjoy the ride, and if someone razzes you about it, chuckle and smile and say "yeah, I know I'm a nut, but aren't we all?"

Yeah I know I'M a nut, but aren't WE all? Interesting, considering the amount of posts I see from people attacking each other. In case you didn't notice, I retracted my last sentence because I was getting a little huffy. I'm just getting pretty sick of how out of wack things get on this board. You want to know when Todd makes an announcement about the pants? Check to see who the last poster was, check the post count...obviously we are all going to wax poetic about this, the same way we would if Peter said he was going to get the pockets right, (Mod edit for inappropriate language) but we had to be patient because he wanted to make sure the lips were big enough.

I read threads where people argue of the seams on the back of a jacket, or so help me god what kind of underwear HF wears.

And if my attitude bugs you, or anyone else, maybe it's you that's taking me too seriously? Nah, couldn't be! I'm going to continue posting MY thoughts and MY opinions and MY feelings on this board, until the Mods kick me out.

Now, back on topic, unless this is going to turn into another arguement thread, and get locked down, and someone has to start a new" I wonder what kind of thread Todd's Short Round Industries Inc is going to use on the crotch seam" thread on here.

As always, tongue planted firmly in cheek, for those who need explaining. $\:D/$

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:51 pm

Meh. I'm not looking for an argument. Post away.

knibs7 · Post by **knibs7** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:58 pm

http://www.facebook.com/video/?of=15209 ... 1520911375

There, that should ease some of the tension around here

Kyle

maboot38 · Post by **maboot38** » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:21 pm

Kyle, I think I'm missing something, bud. It just brings up a bunch of videos from people I'm friends with.

Geek29 · Post by **Geek29** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:36 am

I can you guys please tell where I could the best pair of indy pants or mabe if Im lucky to fine a really nice pair of US Army pinks from WW2. But thats if Im lucky, tho.

Geek29

Mountaineer · Post by **Mountaineer** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:25 am

Joyce,

I wasn't looking for a fight, nor was I saying stop discussing it. I should probably invest in that sarcasm font I've seen in the news recently. I was going more for one of those johnny come late posters where it's obvious that something is being (and has been for some time) discussed but since I want to jump into the fray I just state the obvious on page 7 or 8 of the thread. Hence "Wait...what? Todd is gonna do pants too?!!? OMG!!!"

Yes, I am excited to see how Todd ends up doing these trousers.

I have purchased many other of his items, some more than one, and I know what he sells is quality, everyday-levels of usage gear. Just because it's taken this dang long for the things to come out probably means that he's aiming for a higher standard in the aspects of the trousers. I hope he does it too.

Besides a set of L.L. Bean trousers, I was lucky enough to find a set of trousers at a vintage shop that are pretty much dead-on for me, so I'm not as on the edge of my seat (forgive the pun) for these. Like I said I use many parts of the gear on a daily basis; the trousers, not so much because I'm not a pleats kind of guy. However, I do understand and empathize with the enthusiasm levels for this new item. Especially if all the bells and whistles are correct.

But come on, this is COW, you do know that even once these pants do make it out, THEN the real fighting between camps will break out for all the aforementioned reasons, i.e. thread count, stitch pattern, button sewing, etc. Being Todd's I doubt you'll get that argument from me at that time. Sorry to have caused any confusion with my post.

I'm going back to the sidelines to wait and keep watching for these to drop on the market.

IndianaSean · Post by **IndianaSean** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:22 pm

binkmeisterRick wrote:I echo the "heavier" statement. My hope is that they'll be as thick and solid as original pinks. There are plenty of thin pants out there. Let have something that'll hold up to real world adventure!

I echo this sentiment!! "heavier" would be better. That is what I like about pinks. Good tough quality.

Sean

Indiana Joyce · Post by **Indiana Joyce** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:33 pm

I, too, would like to see them on the heavier side. I wonder however, if Todd could double his sales if he offered these pants in two varieties? One, SA wool cavalry twill, and the second in machine washable cotton? Heck, Id be likely to buy a couple extra pairs of the cotton ones and maybe dye them different colors. It'd be cool to have some Indy pants in OD green or black. Obviously I could just ask Magnoli to make me a pair, but I'm waiting to win the lottery before I ask him to be my personal tailor:)

Erri · Post by **Erri** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:10 am

Indiana Joyce wrote:Obviously I could just ask Magnoli to make me a pair, but I'm waiting to win the lottery before I ask him to be my personal tailor:)

good one

RaidersBash · Post by **RaidersBash** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:21 pm

knibs7 wrote:http://www.facebook.com/video/?of=15209 ... 1520911375

There, that should ease some of the tension around here

Kyle

Awww...the literal "down" - side with head high kicks.

Puppetboy · Post by **Puppetboy** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:47 pm

But come on, this is COW, you do know that even once these pants do make it out, THEN the real fighting between camps will break out for all the aforementioned reasons, i.e. thread count, stitch pattern, button sewing, etc.

Yep. You're all going to be disappointed - but all for different reasons.

Choice of pants material