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I've wondered that if the TN jacket was used in the outdoor scenes if it was the jacket Ford wore when he jumped into the river? Wouldn't a complete soaking shrink it up quite a bit and also have an effect on the leather...

My thoughts exactly.... I don't think it is possible that the raiders jacket was 4" shorter than the temple jacket. Compare the scenes in Imans pad from Raiders and the arrival in Pankot from TOD. Both about the same length in the back.

Can anyone post those 2 pics side by side?

I am not claiming that shrinkage is indigenous to Wested lambskin, just that Wested lambskins DO shrink.

I have owned over a hundred leather jackets, (though not at once). I think I still have about 30 at this time. There have been a few lambskins, but the majority have been horsehide and cowhide. Very few goat, and more than a few that I have NO idea what leather they are made from.

While I cannot claim that Wested lambskin shrinks more than any other lambskin, I can say that the majority of my Westeds ( 8 ) were lambskin and ALL of them have shrunk to some degree - some substantially, and certainly more than the Wested cowhide or Wested goats. To be fair, the Todd's calfskin wizzled up pretty good as well.

My Aero horsehide and my Vanson cowhides are heavy jacket (4.0 ounce or better) and have braved everything I can throw at them with no ill effects. If you have a Schott perfecto, they are what I consider a midrange cowhide (2.5-3.0 ounce) and I have worn them countless times in the rain while riding my motorcycle. No problems at all. Same with my Lost Worlds horsehide.

It may be the very thing that many want - a light leather with the right drape - is the same thing that makes the jacket the most impractical to wear in rainy weather. It is NOT all about the way it is dried either and that is what I was wondering here with Holt's jacket. Surely he has had plenty of experience with these jackets and would not use heat to dry them unless he was trying to shrink the jacket somewhat.

It drives me crazy to hear that leather is not meant to be worn as a raincoat. I think that the real meaning is that the "specific leather that I am selling" is not meant to be used as a raincoat. Most of the leathers I have owned just get heavy when wet and a bit stiff when dried, but suffer no permanent visible damage or shrinkage. The softness returns with wear.

I do not own any designer "mall" lambskin jackets, but I expect them to be the same. If I pay anywhere between $300-1500 for a leather jacket, it had better be able to handle a rainstorm or two (or three). No point wearing a garment that supposed to protect you from the elements if it cannot do so. That is how I decide what stays in my collection. With few exceptions, all the ones I own now have survived a few soakings.

I don't know, I thought the perfect raiders length was just a little below the belt line, maybe around 3 inches or so below it?

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd wrote:I guess its a Raiders thing... but it looks a bit small and short IMO.

A perfect Raiders jacket fit, zipped up, often looks tight at the straps on the side... and the panels spread open alot, making that upside down V.

maybe Raiders only meant for a partial zip??

anyway sorry Holt, no disrespect. most likely my own frustration that as winter approaches my jacket feels too tight...

bigrex wrote:I don't know, I thought the perfect raiders length was just a little below the belt line, maybe around 3 inches or so below it?

But it all depends where you wear your belt. Low, like the urban style, or armpit height like grampa.

rick5150 wrote:
I have owned over a hundred leather jackets, (though not at once). I think I still have about 30 at this time.

You, my friend, are my new hero! I can't wait to show this post to my wife. I currently have forty-plus jackets/coats but more than half of them are not leather. She has always thought I was nuts when it came to all of the jackets I've collected over the years!

here are some more detials shots after it is soaked and broken in abit.


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... rspose.jpg


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... ollar4.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... ollar5.jpg



and Platon,knock yourself out ;-)

Edit

Holt, you are a genius.
I just now got around to reading this thread. I keep telling myself my Wested is fine, I'll never need another one, but I continue to find little details I'd like to change 'if I ever did buy another'...but I won't, maybe...
The '42 back panel on a 44' is absolutely the best detail on yours, as far as I'm concerned. That's my biggest regret with my Wested is the 'flying squirrel' look. The back panel looks too wide for he jacket...you have solved a big problem with these jackets. Again, my opinion.

i love the 3rd pic holt........man, that's a cool collar.

cheers,


G

coronado3 wrote:I just can't buy the fact that Harrison's Raiders jacket was 22.5" in the back what with the TOD back at 26". They really fit about the same - maybe an 1" to 1.5" difference not a difference of 4.5 inches in the back.

I think it's partly in how the Shorter Raiders falls off the shoulders to the back

Best pictures ever seen mate, you sure are rubbing it in.
;-)

Freakin' SWEET, Holt!!!

Thanks a5..

I appreciate your words very much.


thank you.

That's spot on.

You should wear a Noel Howard shirt under that beauty though

yeah I know..

I have my todds that is very close in color...and I have a custom,custom Magnoli stone shirt..


still hoping that wested soon will make the NH gear.shirt and pants

Yes I guess the Todd's will do for now, just don't give us that Lacoste adventurer look when showing us one of the most accurate jackets ever

Just kidding buddy, you know it ;-)

I dont know it!!













nah now Im just kidding my friend

Honestly I was only taking the pis. Hope you didn't take the slightest offence.

Just... STOP... SHOWING... THAT.... JACKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




actually show as more of it because (Agent5 and others would probably agree with me) you can never get tired to look upon accuracy itself

okay,how about this for acurracy?off course..the angle is off..but you get the idea...

look at the pocket flaps.stormflap.zipper.collar.drape.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/ ... opic-2.jpg

Wow, Holt, that's amazing, your comparison pictures really bring it home too. How do you think the new goat compares with your horsehide, by the way? Absolutely phenomenal work.

WAY thinner..lots more drape.absolutley my favorite hide.

feels and looks like lamb but the it has the toughnes of goat.

Kokopelli wrote:

Holt, you are a genius.
I just now got around to reading this thread. I keep telling myself my Wested is fine, I'll never need another one, but I continue to find little details I'd like to change 'if I ever did buy another'...but I won't, maybe...
The '42 back panel on a 44' is absolutely the best detail on yours, as far as I'm concerned. That's my biggest regret with my Wested is the 'flying squirrel' look. The back panel looks too wide for he jacket...you have solved a big problem with these jackets. Again, my opinion.

my friend...you have a LC right?

this is raiders..

I dont know how a smaller backpanel would look one a LC..

also the flying squirl look does not come from the back panel,but the side panel and low armholes.

the armholes on a LC are much more lower cut and pushed more to the front. thats why you have that ''flying squirl'' effect when zipped.

bigger and lower armholes makes the jacket also thighten up and restrict the movement to the extreme when zipped

Yeah, I really don't like the low armholes, and really need to get a Raiders jacket again. I skydived with my G&B one halloween, and had planned to with my TN CS to send pics to Tony to prove I was beating the heck out of it, but my arms are too restricted, and it's not worth risk! Also, I have problems with my pleats kinking at the top, near the seam on all the jackets I've had, and I think it's because the back panel is too wide. I believe you got the formula.

I'm sorry if I missed it...but what does it cost to get a jacket made like this?

I want a Wested SO BAD right now....I have had the money for months, but can never decide on it.

I'm always afraid it's going to come out too short or something.

I think wested takes about 245 bucks for a custom made jacket.

not sure

Thanks for the jacket zipped pics, Holt! Those are the droids I was looking for!

Indiana Holt wrote:I think wested takes about 245 bucks for a custom made jacket.

not sure

You're not sure? Didn't you just buy this?

replacement from an old jacket I bougth from wested way back

There's not enough superlatives to describe this jacket, Holt. The comparison shots really do bring it home. Just awesome work.

And as for the lamb shrinking, that must have been a factor as I also doubt that there could be 4 inches of difference between the Raiders and ToD jacket (but I don't doubt Tony at his word). The way the jacket fits has some to do with it. For example, my Indy I is around an inch shorter in back than my CS but they hit right around the same spot at the bottom. So some length could be accounted for but not 4 inches.

rick5150 wrote:

bigrex wrote:I don't know, I thought the perfect raiders length was just a little below the belt line, maybe around 3 inches or so below it?

But it all depends where you wear your belt. Low, like the urban style, or armpit height like grampa.

Yeah, I know but I mean reasonably "normal" belt level, right at the top of the hip bone.

I think it would also be interesting to see what Holt's specs look like on someone else. I hope someone posts some pics if they get their own copy.

Indiana Holt wrote:

Kokopelli wrote:

Holt, you are a genius.
I just now got around to reading this thread. I keep telling myself my Wested is fine, I'll never need another one, but I continue to find little details I'd like to change 'if I ever did buy another'...but I won't, maybe...
The '42 back panel on a 44' is absolutely the best detail on yours, as far as I'm concerned. That's my biggest regret with my Wested is the 'flying squirrel' look. The back panel looks too wide for he jacket...you have solved a big problem with these jackets. Again, my opinion.

my friend...you have a LC right?

this is raiders..

I dont know how a smaller backpanel would look one a LC..

also the flying squirl look does not come from the back panel,but the side panel and low armholes.

the armholes on a LC are much more lower cut and pushed more to the front. thats why you have that ''flying squirl'' effect when zipped.

bigger and lower armholes makes the jacket also thighten up and restrict the movement to the extreme when zipped

Wow...you are a wealth of information. So...my next Wested...I mean, if i ever... will be a Raiders!

It really is amazing how Holt's one jacket can mimic several different jackets from several different scenes. It's like a Wested Raiders endgame. That's definitely a keeper!

yup...its gonna be with me forever,and ever....and....ever ;-)

Hey, any clue on how this goat look when it distressed? My 2000 G&B wore to a grey colour, and I prefer a brown or reddish undertones.

Ok, the question now is:

Will Peter standarize this collar length and yoke vs. arm seam placement or not?

IMO it would be one step further towards SA.

crismans wrote:There's not enough superlatives to describe this jacket, Holt. The comparison shots really do bring it home. Just awesome work.

And as for the lamb shrinking, that must have been a factor as I also doubt that there could be 4 inches of difference between the Raiders and ToD jacket (but I don't doubt Tony at his word). The way the jacket fits has some to do with it. For example, my Indy I is around an inch shorter in back than my CS but they hit right around the same spot at the bottom. So some length could be accounted for but not 4 inches.

It's actually not 4" shorter, more like 3 to 3 1/2" shorter. They can be that different because they are completely different jackets, different cuts

i miss one thing....what leather is that?

great jacket anyway!

goatskin ;-)

What's the difference between Lambskin and Goatskin if we're talking about SA and/or durability?

goatskin:superstrong.can last upto 40,50 years...maby more....

So that i suppose the lamb is more soft and it's easy to damage, right?

yes and yes to all your questions about Lamb ;-)


lamb is the weakest leather of them all.

from weak to strongest.

lamb.cow.horse.goat.

Holt, isn't horse supposed to be stronger than goat? I always heard that after roo-hide horsehide was the strongest

Regards, Geert

but, does harrison uses differents leatherjackets in one movie or he keeps the same leather?

For example, what does harrison uses in the last pictures you posted?

Oby1ITA wrote:but, does harrison uses differents leatherjackets in one movie or he keeps the same leather?

For example, what does harrison uses in the last pictures you posted?

The jackets for Raiders and Temple were lambskin. It's been widely assumed/said that the LC jacket was also lambskin but now it's been postulated that it might have been cowhide.

Indiana Holt wrote:goatskin:superstrong.can last upto 40,50 years...maby more....

Hey Holt, how do you think the Goat will distress? Into a reddish undertone like the Hawaii comparison pic you showed, or more greyish?

Baldwyn wrote:

Indiana Holt wrote:goatskin:superstrong.can last upto 40,50 years...maby more....

Hey Holt, how do you think the Goat will distress? Into a reddish undertone like the Hawaii comparison pic you showed, or more greyish?

dont know?..time will tell..

but I see that all the other goats from wested has a brown/grey undertone..

gwyddion wrote:Holt, isn't horse supposed to be stronger than goat? I always heard that after roo-hide horsehide was the strongest

Regards, Geert

they are about the same strength.

I put goat over horse becasue its way more waterrepelant then Horse.water is a goats friend..so yeah..stronger ;-)

Holt,

A very fine "Raiders" jacket indeed!! The most SA I've seen to date! Congrats. Wear it in good health!!

Kind regards,
Craig

Indiana Holt wrote:

gwyddion wrote:Holt, isn't horse supposed to be stronger than goat? I always heard that after roo-hide horsehide was the strongest

Regards, Geert

they are about the same strength.

I put goat over horse becasue its way more waterrepelant then Horse.water is a goats friend..so yeah..stronger ;-)

Ok, that makes perfect sence to me. I know goat also drapes better than horse, but with the water repelling quality it would seem goat realy is a winner

Regards, Geert