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The thing is, to accommodate a longer collar you would need more leather in the front of the jacket which would push the zippers out. It doesn’t make sense. I have to go with Todd on this. It doesn’t look like HF’s shirt would ever button at the top. All the pics that Agent 5 posted show one side of the collar pulled down and the other pulled up. We also know that the Raider jacket wears “weird” on the shoulders. I wouldn’t change Tony’s specs myself. My jacket will be ready for pickup in a couple of days. Cheers

edit There might be more clues by looking at the zipped Raven Bar jacket.

I see what people mean about more leather if a longer collar.but there is a way to do it without adding more leather.you should see my girlfriends jacket.snug and tight leather jacket with a huge and long collar.

the tailor I spoke to said.cut the neckopening longer down to the front of the jacket making a longer and wider collarstand.that should do it.

agent5 wrote:
According to Tony this is the jacket he copied and as you can see this collar is more adjusted and even than the pics above.

The Hawaii jacket does have a wide stormflap. That's one of the major differences I noticed when compared to a G&B.

yeah.and Binks and the others that have the TN have that too.

it looks like a 1.75'' stormflap.

agent5 wrote:You're like, his biggest spokesman, aren't you, G?

if thats the way i sound, then i'm guilty as charged.

i am quite elated that there is a migration towards accepting this jacket offering. the thread started with doubt and skepticism and has evolved towards enlightenment and happy jacket owners.

plus i'm getting 15% off of all his jacket sales as my commission....






.......just kidding

Elated is a strong word. Just take a deep breath and calm yourself down, man. It is, after all, only a jacket. It doesn't surprise me nor bother me in the least that there was a lot of second guessing around the TNR1 jacket at the beginning. There was quite a bit to clear up and now we've seen more of the big picture. It was just natural progression.

Rundquist is right that the jacket in the pics has the collar pulled over to one side but you can tell that it is longer than the other jackets seen in the film and in stills. If it were straightened out it would still be longer than the rest of the jackets we see worn in the film. The thing is you can easily see that one side is flush with the end of the shirt collar were the other side of the jacket collar is a lot longer than the shirt collar. So, even if the jacket was even and straight on the shoulders the jacket collar would still be longer than the shirt collar and you don't see that on all the jackets except this one.

The link posted above by Holt is a perfect example that the collar was just different. My jackets all look standard like Holts as do all the other jackets I see around here. Something is going on with the collar on that particular jacket in the film.

just another example.


see how long the collar really is.it is hanging down to his chest and the other side is flying all over the place.I have yet to see a wested collar do this when ''action'' appears

if the collar had been a smaller size like the standard wested collar it would be alot stiffer and sit more secure on the neck,and not ''drape'' and fly open like this

for an SA collar, wouldn't you just have to zip the jacket up and make a bigger neck opening?

it seems the jackets today....say a 42 jacket, is sized for say a 16" collar. why not make a 42 jacket with a 18" or 20" collar? wouldn't that be the way to achieve that look.

Indiana G wrote:for an SA collar, wouldn't you just have to zip the jacket up and make a bigger neck opening?

it seems the jackets today....say a 42 jacket, is sized for say a 16" collar. why not make a 42 jacket with a 18" or 20" collar? wouldn't that be the way to achieve that look.

Perhaps. I've only just worked out what you guys mean. When you say the collar is longer, you mean it wraps around HF's neck further down his chest. I see it in some shots. G might have something there because that would amount to using more leather. Is there some way we can put a measure on it like we do with the pockets, etc? As in the pocket ends XX inches past the neck on a 42...

Jacket number 27 has arrived.

This is going to take some getting used to.

First impressions:

Beautifully constructed jacket - absolutely top quality workmanship.
Nice canvas bag (as well as colour copies of the Terry Leonard photos that Indiana Williams posted).
Inscription on inside of lining is nice and subtle (black embroidery).
"Tony Nowak Original" label has been added without the bulky leather surround as requested.

This is a SHORT jacket. I'm 6ft tall and the back of the jacket is at the top of my belt line. I must have a longer torso than Ford (which makes sense actually because I'd read about him having a short torso but long arms).

I'm not a big fan of the weathering though and the undertone of the jacket has a reddish hue to it.

Pockets are 6 x 8 inches and the left pocket is positioned 1 inch away from the storm flap stitiching (as I requested).

Honestly, this hasn't won me over yet and I'm going to have to debate whether I will keep it. I don't even know if Tony issues refunds?

I would like to say that Tony's customer service is the best experience I've had with a jacket purchase. He was patient and very forthcoming with all the doubts / questions that I had before deciding to buy the jacket.

I'll take some pics tomorrow.

Chris

Is lenght the problem Chris?

No, the short length isn't the problem - I'd already come to the conclusion that the jacket would be too short for me based on the measurements that Tony provided from the original that he measured. I wanted the jacket to be a copy of Ford's measurements, so this is something I was prepared for.

The leather and reddish undertones are causing me the most concern. Everything else is very nice but I need to spend some time with it and really study it before I decide whether to keep it.

Chris

Indiana Strones wrote:Is lenght the problem Chris?

I would like to see some pics of this leather and its colour.

Bink's "Leather comparisons" thread shows the leather accurately - particularly the pic showing the close ups of the pockets. What you see there is pretty much how it looks in person.

Chris

Indiana Strones wrote:I would like to see some pics of this leather and its colour.

Thanks, but I'm not sure to understand/remember which is your jacket's leather: shrunken lamb?

Yes, mine is shrunken lamb .
This is the leather that Tony is convinced matches the original jacket he borrowed.

Bink's is shrunken lamb too.

Chris

Indiana Strones wrote:Thanks, but I'm not sure to understand/remember which is your jacket's leather: shrunk lamb?

Ok, thanks.

Yes, I can see the reddish undertones. I don't know. It's part of the original jackets colour mystery.

Well I would like to announce that I've placed my order with Tony for.....

JACKET NUMBER 666 In the flat/matte lamb!! Woohooo 11 days to go......

I made no special requests other than sizing and asked for a replica of the jacket he had. I'm very excited.

chris,

show some pictures of it.

what size is yours? 44 right?

It's about the same size as mine, which is a 40. From talking with Chris prior, my jacket is apparently 1/2 inch bigger all the way round than Ford's jacket. And since I'm 5'5" on a good day, that means Harrison really must have a short torso! It also proves my measurements are wonky, too.

Eric,

I'm at the office at the moment and won't be home until late. I'll take some pictures tomorrow though.

My jacket is Ford sized. I asked Tony to make it an exact copy. The only thing I requested was for the left hand cargo pocket to be positioned 1 inch away from the stitching of the stormflap. Everything else is a copy of the Ford jacket that Tony measueed (as far as I know).

Chris

Indiana Holt wrote:chris,

show some pictures of it.

what size is yours? 44 right?

Or you've got a long torso!

Chris

binkmeisterRick wrote:It's about the same size as mine, which is a 40. From talking with Chris prior, my jacket is apparently 1/2 inch bigger all the way round than Ford's jacket. And since I'm 5'5" on a good day, that means Harrison really must have a short torso! It also proves my measurements are wonky, too.

I won't lie. Harrison and I swapped torsos.

That may have gotten his, but I still doubt your screen accuracy. Start counting chest hairs.

;-)

Brings new meaning to shrunken lamb.

Mike wrote:That may have gotten his, but I still doubt your screen accuracy. Start counting chest hairs.

;-)

Brings new meaning to shrunken lamb.

Maybe you need to start clipping them...Bridge scene, TOD, he totally trimmed his pits and torso.

Mike wrote:That may have gotten his, but I still doubt your screen accuracy. Start counting chest hairs.

One... and two. Umm... maybe Harrison wore muppet fur for the shoot?

The problem with the collar is that making the collar longer will result in the length of the storm flap will being shorter and of course the neck opening will be bigger meaning that you will not able to zip up the jacket because you will look like a fool.

If you want the jacket for display OK but to wear it, it will have to be always open or zipped half way.

One more thing.



You call this a short torso?

I think it's more probable that TN copied Terry Leonard's jacket who was shorter than HF.


Or do you call this long arms?

Based on the second full length photo, I can see how his torso could be considered "short" in comparison to the length of his legs. Also, he WAS scrawnier back then!

Chris_King wrote:Bink's "Leather comparisons" thread shows the leather accurately - particularly the pic showing the close ups of the pockets. What you see there is pretty much how it looks in person.

Chris

Indiana Strones wrote:I would like to see some pics of this leather and its colour.

its my understanding that the pockets were modified from the 001/888 construction to hatch's configuration using the template that was designed by KT. specifically, piping added to the top of the flap, more squared corners and revised scalloping. i believe TN standardized on that pocket but what i do not understand is why your pockets do not look like slydini's if you asked for an exact reproduction

Nah his legs are normal like any others.

Look for yourself here

Indiana G wrote:

Chris_King wrote:Bink's "Leather comparisons" thread shows the leather accurately - particularly the pic showing the close ups of the pockets. What you see there is pretty much how it looks in person.

Chris

Indiana Strones wrote:I would like to see some pics of this leather and its colour.

its my understanding that the pockets were modified from the 001/888 construction to hatch's configuration using the template that was designed by KT. specifically, piping added to the top of the flap, more squared corners and revised scalloping. i believe TN standardized on that pocket but what i do not understand is why your pockets do not look like slydini's if you asked for an exact reproduction

Interesting question...I asked for an exact replica with no other changes as well. I wonder what pockets I'll get....I had better call Big T

Huh? So the pockets are the result of KT Templars template?

KT - did you make the pockets 6 x 8 inches?

I didn't want pockets that looked like Slydini's jacket but I did send Tony my drawing. However, my drawing wasn't for 6 x 8 inch pockets so it appears that he's done his own thing (but he did position the left pocket so that it was 1 inch away from the stormflap stitching as I requested).

Can someone post or send me KT's pocket template? I'm curious to see if that's what I actually ended up with.

Chris

Indiana G wrote:its my understanding that the pockets were modified from the 001/888 construction to hatch's configuration using the template that was designed by KT. specifically, piping added to the top of the flap, more squared corners and revised scalloping. i believe TN standardized on that pocket but what i do not understand is why your pockets do not look like slydini's if you asked for an exact reproduction

From what I can see in these pics, they definitely confirm that Ford has a short torso. You should look at his belly button to gauge where the pants would sit. Those "low ride" trunks are misleading you I think.

Chris

PLATON wrote:

Nah his legs are normal like any others.

Look for yourself here

Don't tell me that's HF in that second photo with the "floral pattern" Speedos.........I think I just lost my appetite!

PLATON, that's entirely too many "speedo" pics IMO

No, I don't think he copied Terry Leonard's jacket because Terry Leonard's jacket was 3 inches LONGER than this Nowak version. (If you assume that the length of the Todd's custom is correct - he used the measurements that _ provided after measuring the TL jacket).

PLATON wrote:I think it's more probable that TN copied Terry Leonard's jacket who was shorter than HF.

Chris_King wrote:No, I don't think he copied Terry Leonard's jacket because Terry Leonard's jacket was 3 inches LONGER than this Nowak version. (If you assume that the length of the Todd's custom is correct - he used the measurements that _ provided after measuring the TL jacket).

PLATON wrote:I think it's more probable that TN copied Terry Leonard's jacket who was shorter than HF.

He did not copy Terry Leonard's jacket. ;-)

binkmeisterRick wrote:

Chris_King wrote:No, I don't think he copied Terry Leonard's jacket because Terry Leonard's jacket was 3 inches LONGER than this Nowak version. (If you assume that the length of the Todd's custom is correct - he used the measurements that _ provided after measuring the TL jacket).

PLATON wrote:I think it's more probable that TN copied Terry Leonard's jacket who was shorter than HF.

He did not copy Terry Leonard's jacket. ;-)

Correct. Although this has been said on this thread I may as well repeat it. Tony told me he saw two different jackets. One from Mr Sparks the Hong Kong producer, the other was the Indy I from the opening scene of Raiders which was brought to him by a source he has promised not to name. He said he noticed some differences between the two jackets but it is indeed the waterfall scene jacket which is his Indy I

I do not know what jacket Mr Sparks owns.

indyrocks wrote:

binkmeisterRick wrote:

Chris_King wrote:No, I don't think he copied Terry Leonard's jacket because Terry Leonard's jacket was 3 inches LONGER than this Nowak version. (If you assume that the length of the Todd's custom is correct - he used the measurements that _ provided after measuring the TL jacket).

PLATON wrote:I think it's more probable that TN copied Terry Leonard's jacket who was shorter than HF.

He did not copy Terry Leonard's jacket. ;-)

Correct. Although this has been said on this thread I may as well repeat it. Tony told me he saw two different jackets. One from Mr Sparks the Hong Kong producer, the other was the Indy I from the opening scene of Raiders which was brought to him by a source he has promised not to name. He said he noticed some differences between the two jackets but it is indeed the waterfall scene jacket which is his Indy I

I do not know what jacket Mr Sparks owns.

he owns a jacket with a leather concessionaries (sp? ) tag on it.

chris, the template that i sent tony for my pockets was made by KT, when him and platon were discussing shape and sizing. there were no dimensions on the drawing, just proportions and shaping.

Thanks for clearing that up Indiana G.

Please could you post the template here or email it to me directly?

Here's my email address:
chris.king2@blueyonder.co.uk

Thanks.

Chris

Indiana G wrote: chris, the template that i sent tony for my pockets was made by KT, when him and platon were discussing shape and sizing. there were no dimensions on the drawing, just proportions and shaping.

Uh, guys. We've gone where no man has gone before (or at least should go). We're not Star Trek fans here. I think Platon has a crush.

Chris_King wrote:No, I don't think he copied Terry Leonard's jacket because Terry Leonard's jacket was 3 inches LONGER than this Nowak version. (If you assume that the length of the Todd's custom is correct - he used the measurements that _ provided after measuring the TL jacket).

PLATON wrote:I think it's more probable that TN copied Terry Leonard's jacket who was shorter than HF.

They're completely different jackets. I compared them. They both have the Raiders pedigree, but they're different.

Chris, did you get stung for customs?

Huh? Do you mean you compared both of the original jackets or do you mean that you compared Tony's Indy 1 to a Todd's custom?

Please clarify! Thanks.

Chris

Whiskyman - Tony ships using FedEx so even though I haven't paid any customs yet, I will be receiving an invoice from FedEx in the next couple of weeks. He does put a lower value on the paperwork though so hopefully the customs charges won't be too bad.

Rundquist wrote: They're completely different jackets. I compared them. They both have the Raiders pedigree, but they're different.

He does put a lower value on the paperwork though so hopefully the customs charges won't be too bad.

Just one more nice thing to add to the long 'Tony is a great guy' list. I think that's cool.

Look forward to your pics, Chris.

Chris_King wrote:Huh? Do you mean you compared both of the original jackets or do you mean that you compared Tony's Indy 1 to a Todd's custom?

Please clarify! Thanks.

Chris

Whiskyman - Tony ships using FedEx so even though I haven't paid any customs yet, I will be receiving an invoice from FedEx in the next couple of weeks. He does put a lower value on the paperwork though so hopefully the customs charges won't be too bad.

Rundquist wrote: They're completely different jackets. I compared them. They both have the Raiders pedigree, but they're different.

I compared a TN Indy 1 to a G&B Expedition. Specifically we looked at the differential between the front jacket & back jacket measurements.




Let’s face it. Everyone is looking for some really esoteric qualities brought on by the eccentricities of an improperly made jacket. That’s what the Raider jacket is all about.

Tony is able to provide two things as I see it. One is an accurate copy of the Raiders Hawaii jacket. The other is a jacket with changes based on whatever each of us can concoct. That’s what you get with the price of admission. I personally am not willing to gamble for that price. I’ll take the jacket that I know is accurate, even if for only a few moments onscreen. I’d never presume to tell a jacket maker how to make a jacket. I’d be out of my realm. Others see it different.

I don’t think that Lucas is going to open the cabinet in his office anytime soon.

Here's another vote for "Dino-hide". It seems that still photography is able to pick up a level of detail that film stock is not. Cheers

Rundquist wrote: I don’t think that Lucas is going to open the cabinet in his office anytime soon.

Sorry, I just find that really funny. *sniff*

The pic above illustrates again the collar issue discussed a page back. You can see how it's even with the one side of the shirt collar and the other side of the jacket collar hangs quite a bit further down.