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Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:23 pm
by Jack@hatter
Also true hat ribbon is woven and not needle stitched like modern ribbon.
That is the fabled secret in manufacturing that makes the difference. There are still some suppliers in Italy and Germany that still weave ribbon. But sadly they are dying out. However Dentons made ribbon for hj during the Raiders years on galoon weave ribbon machines. The availability is because the machines are hard to come by.
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:04 pm
by Indiego Jones
Jack@hatter wrote:There are lots of sources that will tell you that the ribbon was German made.
However "all" hatmaking was done out of Stockport uk at the time up until the 90s. All the hat manufacturers were consolidated on one site. Every one had there hats made there. Lock, christys and hj to name a few. However Dentons did all the high end ribbon finishing and supplying. Having been run by two elderly brothers who retired. When the hatting industry in the 90s went belly up Dentons lasted until the early zeros that is when brachers bought out the assets the machines and so on. And the name sold on independently to a hat importer, the old production manager at christys.
Good ribbon is mixed with rayon with an organic design content. Rayon replaced silk as the content when it became to expensive to mass manufacture. Rayon being the cheaper option.
Regards Jack.
Jack@hatter wrote:Also true hat ribbon is woven and not needle stitched like modern ribbon.
That is the fabled secret in manufacturing that makes the difference. There are still some suppliers in Italy and Germany that still weave ribbon. But sadly they are dying out. However Dentons made ribbon for hj during the Raiders years on galoon weave ribbon machines. The availability is because the machines are hard to come by.
Jack, thank you so much for your input.
We appreciate that you share all this, and certainly we value true facts.
Cheers.-
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:39 am
by Jack@hatter
Pleasure.
We need to make sure the hatting industry continues far into the future.
Regards
Jack
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:40 am
by The Character
Im fascinated but his topic ... lots of passion on all sides and heated debate which is usually good debate ...
As an aside Would it not be worth getting a length of the Ribbon(s) in question to Desi (Screenused) and getting a comparison done to the existing Cairo hat ribbon?... in fairness its very old and has probably changed a little but it might prove useful one way or the other ...
TC
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:09 am
by Mulceber
I could be wrong, but I think Desi sold his Raiders hat.
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:55 am
by Dalexs
That hat is pretty beat too. Not sure how valid a comparison that would be.
Anyone have George Lucas' phone number? Just tell him we need to get into the archives to check something!
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:01 am
by Indiego Jones
anindyjones wrote:Is the other ribbon 38mm like Brachers?
I think its close.
The color, thickness, all different. You can tell by the touch.
Mulceber wrote:I could be wrong, but I think Desi sold his Raiders hat.
Yes. Desi sold it.
IIRC for a giant pot of money (in Mac's words
).
I think he said back then "six" figures number....
Re: RAIDERS fedora original ribbon
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:17 am
by The Character
Wow .. that is a gigantic pot of money ... Darn it! ... 'i bet hees rich! ..richer than Oward Uwes!'