Club Obi Wan

CM wrote:It's a fantastic jacket, great work by US Wings. If we are modifying the design, why not make the pocket smaller? They look to be about two inches too long.

Sounds to me like that might happen when they make the ToD replica later this year.

I was in the process of composing a very long winded sonnet to this jacket when the connection went belly up. So, in summary, I got it, it is amazing, the highest praise and most eloquent descriptions are understatement as far as I'm concerned. The leather is like nothing I have ever seen, and anyone who has one knows I am not exaggerating when I say that the shell is actually smoother, silkier, than the lining!

As to the comparison the the Todd's Standard, I have one from 2008. This leather is much richer, but comparable in weight and thickness. I love my Todd's jacket, and will recommend it to anyone, and it is a great value. With the Wings antique lamb Hero jacket, I feel like I have gotten away with a crime!

Weston

Well said, Weston!

Wear it well!

Regards!
Indydawg

These pics ease my mind a little. I've got the US wings vintage cowhide coming in a M soon and Although two inches shorter then dawg I think it'll do okay on me. The sleeves on the S that they thought would fit me had a tendency to slide up about 3 inches whenever I moved my arm....the rest of the jacket seemed to fit find aside from a slight tightness around the back when I raised or crossed my arms. I was worried that the M would be too big on me but these pics sure help alot!!!!

That jacket looks great IndyDawg

Thanks! If those few sizing issues were all that bothered you on the small, then the Medium should work out great!

Regards!

Indydawg wrote:Thanks! If those few sizing issues were all that bothered you on the small, then the Medium should work out great!

Regards!

Good news.. We made some changes with the Patterns on XS.. S.. and Med. and even Large Longs.. Some of these Custom Made Indy Hero Cow and lightweight lambskin Hero Indy jackets will start coming in late next week!! FYI now that we are the NAVSUP supplier I doubt USW will be able to set aside our Factory to offer this service again.. In the future what we make will be it and we will not be able to set aside any time for any custom made Jackets unless they are the officially licensed to Neil Cooper and US Wings Inc. 123and 4 and that will be up to George Lucas .
Sarge

Sgt. wrote:

Indydawg wrote:Thanks! If those few sizing issues were all that bothered you on the small, then the Medium should work out great!

Regards!

Good news.. We made some changes with the Patterns on XS.. S.. and Med. and even Large Longs.. Some of these Custom Made Indy Hero Cow and lightweight lambskin Hero Indy jackets will start coming in late next week!! FYI now that we are the NAVSUP supplier I doubt USW will be able to set aside our Factory to offer this service again.. In the future what we make will be it and we will not be able to set aside any time for any custom made Jackets unless they are the officially licensed to Neil Cooper and US Wings Inc. 123and 4 and that will be up to George Lucas .
Sarge

What changes were made? Will these revised patterns be in place from now on for the Hero jackets or will it just be for this batch? Just curious. Thanks, Sarge!

Forrest For the Trees wrote:

Sgt. wrote:

Indydawg wrote:Thanks! If those few sizing issues were all that bothered you on the small, then the Medium should work out great!

Regards!

Good news.. We made some changes with the Patterns on XS.. S.. and Med. and even Large Longs.. Some of these Custom Made Indy Hero Cow and lightweight lambskin Hero Indy jackets will start coming in late next week!! FYI now that we are the NAVSUP supplier I doubt USW will be able to set aside our Factory to offer this service again.. In the future what we make will be it and we will not be able to set aside any time for any custom made Jackets unless they are the officially licensed to Neil Cooper and US Wings Inc. 123and 4 and that will be up to George Lucas .
Sarge

What changes were made? Will these revised patterns be in place from now on for the Hero jackets or will it just be for this batch? Just curious. Thanks, Sarge!

Thank you for asking..We made some XS and we down sized our small and Med. plus we did make 12 size Large Hero Cow with extra long arms and we did some with and without Snaps.. Just don't tell M. All and all we did some exciting things with the next 250 jackets .. Sorry about the delay but they are hand made and it takes a lot longer for turn around time.BTW we should start shipping late next week if all goes well.
Sarge
PS We are running low on New Zealand Lambskin

WHAT??!!!

NO SNAPS!!!!????




Regards! Michaelson

Sgt. wrote:

Forrest For the Trees wrote:

Sgt. wrote:

Indydawg wrote:Thanks! If those few sizing issues were all that bothered you on the small, then the Medium should work out great!

Regards!

Good news.. We made some changes with the Patterns on XS.. S.. and Med. and even Large Longs.. Some of these Custom Made Indy Hero Cow and lightweight lambskin Hero Indy jackets will start coming in late next week!! FYI now that we are the NAVSUP supplier I doubt USW will be able to set aside our Factory to offer this service again.. In the future what we make will be it and we will not be able to set aside any time for any custom made Jackets unless they are the officially licensed to Neil Cooper and US Wings Inc. 123and 4 and that will be up to George Lucas .
Sarge

What changes were made? Will these revised patterns be in place from now on for the Hero jackets or will it just be for this batch? Just curious. Thanks, Sarge!

Thank you for asking..We made some XS and we down sized our small and Med. plus we did make 12 size Large Hero Cow with extra long arms and we did some with and without Snaps.. Just don't tell M. All and all we did some exciting things with the next 250 jackets .. Sorry about the delay but they are hand made and it takes a lot longer for turn around time.BTW we should start shipping late next week if all goes well.
Sarge
PS We are running low on New Zealand Lambskin

Couple of questions..
1. are you running low on New Zealand Lambskin JACKETS, or the actual skin that the jackets are being made from?

2. Are the jackets you had custom made specific to this order, or will the changes in patterns be permanent? For example, are smalls and mediums going to be downsized from here on out, or is it just going to be this bunch?

-(a very interested) KB

Kentucky Blues wrote:

Sgt. wrote:

Forrest For the Trees wrote:

Sgt. wrote:

Indydawg wrote:Thanks! If those few sizing issues were all that bothered you on the small, then the Medium should work out great!

Regards!

Good news.. We made some changes with the Patterns on XS.. S.. and Med. and even Large Longs.. Some of these Custom Made Indy Hero Cow and lightweight lambskin Hero Indy jackets will start coming in late next week!! FYI now that we are the NAVSUP supplier I doubt USW will be able to set aside our Factory to offer this service again.. In the future what we make will be it and we will not be able to set aside any time for any custom made Jackets unless they are the officially licensed to Neil Cooper and US Wings Inc. 123and 4 and that will be up to George Lucas .
Sarge

What changes were made? Will these revised patterns be in place from now on for the Hero jackets or will it just be for this batch? Just curious. Thanks, Sarge!

Thank you for asking..We made some XS and we down sized our small and Med. plus we did make 12 size Large Hero Cow with extra long arms and we did some with and without Snaps.. Just don't tell M. All and all we did some exciting things with the next 250 jackets .. Sorry about the delay but they are hand made and it takes a lot longer for turn around time.BTW we should start shipping late next week if all goes well.
Sarge
PS We are running low on New Zealand Lambskin

Couple of questions..
1. are you running low on New Zealand Lambskin JACKETS, or the actual skin that the jackets are being made from?

2. Are the jackets you had custom made specific to this order, or will the changes in patterns be permanent? For example, are smalls and mediums going to be downsized from here on out, or is it just going to be this bunch?

-(a very interested) KB

Good Question..
I think after we fill the orders we have on hand and a very few extra this will be the end of the New Zealand Lambskin Hero Indy Jackets.Just about imposable to get the leather..Remember this is the real New Zealand Lambskin hand made one skin at a time..
Sarge

Ok, so some special cow Hero's were made in large with longer sleeves but not longer bodies. In addition, the cows have Longs coming that have longer sleeves and bodies.

So for the lambs, there are Longs coming with longer sleeves and bodies right? But not longer sleeves and regular bodies?

Is this correct? When will the lamb longs be in and when will the cow longs and the cows with longer sleeves be in?

Thanks!
Riothamus

Tundrarider wrote:

Sgt. wrote:plus we did make 12 size Large Hero Cow with extra long arms and we did some with and without Snaps..

Hi Sarge, Do you have any of the Large COW Hero jackets with longer arms still available with snaps?

Thanks!

Michael

Good question..I don't know for sure ! I know 12 were made but I don't know if they have snaps or not. I know they are made out of Hero Cow But I don't think we did the Lamb with extra long arms.. But I do have a news flash.. Myke will be taking pictures of our New Indy Horse Hide and Yes Our New Striated Lamb Indy.. BTW both Jackets have two inside pockets and yes they both have the G-1 YKK zippers.
Retail price is $ 395.00 COW members $ 295.00 We will take some pictures and send them to M. and late next week Glenn will put them on our site...These are the same pattern I used in 1985.
Sarge

As a hold-out on these as well as the recent cow jackets; this recent bit of news, the modification in the small and medium jackets may be something of a fix to what I considered a jacket that was too long in its body for me. I dove at the chance and put my name on the list for the upcoming jackets thinking the new/old Cooper pattern may address that aspect of the design, so this news has me a bit more excited about the prospect.

Look, I'm not ashamed and I'll speak up for those of us who may be at or below average height and build (what I'll consider 5'9" and below, and below 165 in weight); Sarge, I honestly feel like 27" back length is too long for us. Between the length and fullness of cut, too often it looks like we're wearing our big brother's hand-me-downs.

I'm not saying all customers who can take a small or medium are fit and trim, but I would argue that those who may fit those sizes may even be better served with a normal or even a military cut jacket. Basically my question is, if we fit the chest and waist measurement fine, then why do we have to get stuck with such a longer-length body and full-cut jacket?

That's not a rant, just the one thing that has always kept me at arm's length from buying any Wings jacket. I will happily wait my time and more than likely see/buy the new one; but I just don't like stuff that looks ill-fitting, not matter how film accurate it may be.

Please people, do not turn this into a flame war. That is NOT my intent. If business dictates the longer body and fuller cut, so be it.

Both the Lightweight NZ Lamb and the Antique Cowhide look awesome. I already have a US Wings CE Vintage Jacket that I truly love but I can't keep my eyes off of these nice looking models.

Question: How lamblike is the Antique Cowhide? And if I already have the Vintage Cowhide, would the Lambskin be a much better choice? I would like to have one for the summer and fall days, for which the Vintage may still be too warm. Or is the Antique Cowhide that much more lightweight than the Vintage Cowhide that it can be worn in warmer seasons?

For those who have seen both the NZ Lambskin and the Antique Cowhide, which is preferable? Which has more character?

Sgt. wrote: But I do have a news flash.. Myke will be taking pictures of our New Indy Horse Hide and Yes Our New Striated Lamb Indy.. BTW both Jackets have two inside pockets and yes they both have the G-1 YKK zippers.
Retail price is $ 395.00 COW members $ 295.00 We will take some pictures and send them to M. and late next week Glenn will put them on our site...These are the same pattern I used in 1985.
Sarge

Eagerly await those pictures, Sgt. Hack.

This is very exciting news about the horsehide and the striated lamb. I can't wait to see the pics! I am on the list for the Calf but with these other hides I wish I wish I had enough to buy one of each! Sarge, you have helped make one heck of a gear year! Thanks for all that you are doing for us gearheads!

Garzo wrote:For those who have seen both the NZ Lambskin and the Antique Cowhide, which is preferable? Which has more character?

As to preferable, that is completely subjective. As to character, man, I have to go with the antique cowhide! The grain really stands out, the creases set very quickly, and in just a couple weeks of wear it looks like a well traveled jacket that has seen heavy use for years. The NZ lamb is an extremely classy jacket that you could wear out to dinner an put a few tuxedos to shame, while still rugged enough to punch out a Nazi if you have to.

Weston

Weston wrote:

Garzo wrote:For those who have seen both the NZ Lambskin and the Antique Cowhide, which is preferable? Which has more character?

As to preferable, that is completely subjective. As to character, man, I have to go with the antiquet cowhide! The grain really stands out, the creases set very quickly, and in just a couple weeks of wear it looks like a well traveled jacket that has seen heavy use for years. The NZ lamb is an extremely classy jacket that you could wear out to dinner an put a few tuxedos to shame, while still rugged enough to punch out a Nazi if you have to.

Weston

With that said Weston..... How would You and Your two side kicks like to Model the Striated Lamb Raiders by Neil Cooper and US Wings for the whole world to view? BTW M. No snaps.
Sarge

Sgt. wrote:

Weston wrote:

Garzo wrote:For those who have seen both the NZ Lambskin and the Antique Cowhide, which is preferable? Which has more character?

As to preferable, that is completely subjective. As to character, man, I have to go with the antiquet cowhide! The grain really stands out, the creases set very quickly, and in just a couple weeks of wear it looks like a well traveled jacket that has seen heavy use for years. The NZ lamb is an extremely classy jacket that you could wear out to dinner an put a few tuxedos to shame, while still rugged enough to punch out a Nazi if you have to.

Weston

With that said Weston..... How would You and Your two side kicks like to Model the Striated Lamb Raiders by Neil Cooper and US Wings for the whole world to view? BTW M. No snaps.
Sarge

I would jump at the chance Sarge, and I'm sure the other guys would agree!

Weston

An offer NO sane Indy Fan could ever refuse!

I can't wait to see these shots!
You gentlemen are a Lucky group (and are feeling HONORED, I'm sure!)

Mitch LaRue wrote:
An offer NO sane Indy Fan could ever refuse!

I can't wait to see these shots!
You gentlemen are a Lucky group (and are feeling HONORED, I'm sure!)

Brother, you ain't half right!

My wife and I are heading for the coast, and will take some pictures (for your thread specifically Mitch!) in the coastal jungles on the way. Those should be worth seeing; Richelle is an excellent photographer.

Weston

Weston wrote:

Sgt. wrote:

Weston wrote:

Garzo wrote:For those who have seen both the NZ Lambskin and the Antique Cowhide, which is preferable? Which has more character?

As to preferable, that is completely subjective. As to character, man, I have to go with the antiquet cowhide! The grain really stands out, the creases set very quickly, and in just a couple weeks of wear it looks like a well traveled jacket that has seen heavy use for years. The NZ lamb is an extremely classy jacket that you could wear out to dinner an put a few tuxedos to shame, while still rugged enough to punch out a Nazi if you have to.

Weston

With that said Weston..... How would You and Your two side kicks like to Model the Striated Lamb Raiders by Neil Cooper and US Wings for the whole world to view? BTW M. No snaps.
Sarge

I would jump at the chance Sarge, and I'm sure the other guys would agree!

Weston

Done... I found the leather after searching for the same 100 % not an easy thing to do.. Had to be the 100 % dead on leather with no question what so ever.. same look same weight and some color.
We have tested it with the Indy Jacket.. Now for the key went to the same Tannery! I even put the jacket on myself and wore it.. WOW what a feeling.. Now this is what it is all about. Is it made to last.. Yes.. 50 years plus.
One last word.. Eat your heart out.
Sarge

Sgt. wrote: BTW M. No snaps.
Sarge

It's a conspiracy.



Regards! Michaelson

Sgt. wrote:I even put the jacket on myself and wore it.. WOW what a feeling.. Now this is what it is all about. Is it made to last.. Yes.. 50 years plus.
One last word.. Eat your heart out.
Sarge

Well... since there's no little emoticon-smileyman thingy for THAT... I guess I'll just have to go with this in the meantime:

Sgt. wrote:

Weston wrote:

Sgt. wrote:

Weston wrote:

Garzo wrote:For those who have seen both the NZ Lambskin and the Antique Cowhide, which is preferable? Which has more character?

As to preferable, that is completely subjective. As to character, man, I have to go with the antiquet cowhide! The grain really stands out, the creases set very quickly, and in just a couple weeks of wear it looks like a well traveled jacket that has seen heavy use for years. The NZ lamb is an extremely classy jacket that you could wear out to dinner an put a few tuxedos to shame, while still rugged enough to punch out a Nazi if you have to.

Weston

With that said Weston..... How would You and Your two side kicks like to Model the Striated Lamb Raiders by Neil Cooper and US Wings for the whole world to view? BTW M. No snaps.
Sarge

I would jump at the chance Sarge, and I'm sure the other guys would agree!

Weston

Done... I found the leather after searching for the same 100 % not an easy thing to do.. Had to be the 100 % dead on leather with no question what so ever.. same look same weight and some color.
We have tested it with the Indy Jacket.. Now for the key went to the same Tannery! I even put the jacket on myself and wore it.. WOW what a feeling.. Now this is what it is all about. Is it made to last.. Yes.. 50 years plus.
One last word.. Eat your heart out.
Sarge

Who could turn down an offer like that.

Count me in, too!

Regards!
Indydawg

Aww man...

It's weird...
I'm smilin' so HARD for you guys right now ... ... but I'm smilin' with JEALOUSY!
(Frankly, I didn't even know there WAS such a thing!)


VERY happy for you fellas!

Well, I gotta say this thread tipped me over. I have a long-size cow hero on order, but these outstanding pics and the review, coupled with the low price, made me order the NZ lamb too. And Sarge & co kindly allowed me to order now & get the July-special free shipping, but hold off on the actual shipping/payment until the cow jacket ships, without so much as asking for a down payment or anything... has anyone mentioned yet that Wings has amazing customer service? Because they do, you know.

Mitch LaRue wrote:Aww man...

It's weird...
I'm smilin' so HARD for you guys right now ... ... but I'm smilin' with JEALOUSY!
(Frankly, I didn't even know there WAS such a thing!)


VERY happy for you fellas!

Hello Mitch,
I never told them before the fact.. Not even Michaelson knew what I was up to.
Sarge

Nope....I come back from my big road trip to find ALL this happened after the fact.

Needless to say....honored and extremely flattered don't come close to covering it! And thanks, Mitch, et al!

And yes....WORLD class, and FIRST class customer service...

High Regards!
Indydawg

Indydawg wrote:Nope....I come back from my big road trip to find ALL this happened after the fact.

Needless to say....honored and extremely flattered don't come close to covering it! And thanks, Mitch, et al!

And yes....WORLD class, and FIRST class customer service...

High Regards!
Indydawg

Thank You IndyDawg.. Not easy at times a lot of drama and stress But the bottom line.. It is worth it!!Now With that said We have the Striated Lamb and Calf leather for the Raiders Jacket But Does the Fans want a Nickel Zipper or Brass Zipper ? After I start making The Four Samples I can not change what will be released to the world Because all four of You will be over Night Stars.. Think about what I just said.. This will be show time worldwide. The Raiders Indiana Jones Pattern has been made!The Striated Lamb leather will be on our site in two days to show the Fans what the Leather Looks like.. This is not the Raiders Jacket but the Raiders Striated Lamb leather! with a very heavy YKK Brass Zipper I use in our G-1 Jackets we will also release our Indy Horse Hide per request of Michaelson and this one has taken us over 6 months... Good things take time!!
Sarge

Thanks for the update Sarge!

I believe most fans in the world wants a Nickel zipp for the Raiders jacket.

I vote for the 5 gauge Nickle zipper

ProfessorHenryWJonesJr wrote:As far as I am aware of, there has been no annoucement, official or unofficial, stating that the jackets will be officially licensed jackets. So designing jacket labels using the film's fonts with similar "wording" as the title of the movies, at this time, might not be something to incorporate, just yet, until it has been determined to be allowed.

I am a not a lawyer, nor am I familar with all the legalities when it comes to trademarks or copyrights. But, just airing on the side of caution for all of our talented members who are probably right now working on a label design as this is being written.

Hopefully, U.S. Wings will receive the official license. But, I am sure Sgt. Hack and U.S.Wings will make the annoucement, either way, as soon as it is known.

And as COW member and moderator stated, I think a new thread for creating a logo/label should be created.

I'm a I'm a n00b, you can say it, I don't mind. This page uses the same fonts, I thought it would be OK.

I PM'd Holt and told him if it's in violation of anything, dump it.

We'll see what gets carried over to the new thread.

yes, I read it, sorry i havent responded, im very busy at the moment.

Indiana Holt wrote:yes, I read it, sorry i havent responded, im very busy at the moment.

No biggie, man. I imagine so.

New thread for the label design ideas has been created and all posts from here related to it that have been approved so far has been moved.

Regards!
Indydawg

Back on to the zipper, I'm for whatever is most durable. Was the question of right hand zip vs. left hand zip ever answered?

O.k. looks like the zipper was decided in the other thread. So to really get back on topic, I can't wait to get my NZ!

I don't know if right/left was ever decided...but if I had to guess...I'd say American style..

Hey Indydawg, "American Style" what a great slogan....

Indydawg, how is this jacket holding up? Is it breaking in nicely? They are out of the COW and I was considering this one.

well I'm convinced.
I got the Hero in Cow last summer and I've been toying with getting either a lamb or goat Wested. I've got two cloth Westeds and, although I like the fit of the 42 regular, I've always had problems with the way the collars lie on Westeds. I stumbled across the promotional stuff that Sarge sent along with my Cow Hero and thought I'd better take a look at Wings. At first the cow was a little large, but I gave it _'s cold water wash treatment and the jacket fits fine and has much more of a lived in look. I'm hoping the lamb will respond the same way so I'll have a jacket for summertime. After reading through this thread, I Went ahead and ordered the lamb this afternoon. Looking forward to it.

Ok anyone have a status (or better yet picture) on how this jacket is holding up? I've never owned a lambskin and they are out of the cow so I'd like to hear your experiences.

Thanks!

Sorry, gmarthe...it's gracing another fan's back now...but I think the new owner is around here somewhere..maybe they'll chime!

Regards!
Indydawg

Mind if i ask why you parted with the jacket? It seemed like you loved it so much.

Well, to be honest, when I first got into Indy gear, I had a closet full of Indy jackets..then, I really started to question WHY I needed so many of the same style....I got into A-2s and other styles and got down to just ONE Indy that I had for YEARS...a cowhide Expedition....Sarge sent me (and Weston) several of the Wings jackets last summer that we "modeled" for the Wings site, I sold the old cowhide, got another Expedition, then...got to asking myself that old question again...

The jacket was wonderful...just couldn't really justify keeping it when someone else could have it, so I sold all of them on eBay at a discount from what a new one would have cost.

I wish I could recall who bought it...but I do think they are still around here.